Friday Skull Session

By Elika on December 16, 2011 at 6:17a
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Has Urban Meyer not gotten the memo that the weeks after a 6-6 season, and a loss to TTUN, aren't supposed to feel this good?

You wanted revenge for the three point blowout to the Spartans? Urban got it. You were bummed that the Buckeyes weren't able to get a pick-6 against Penn State this year? Urban grabbed one, and ran it back to Columbus. Annoyed by Michigan fans who temporarily have forgotten their place? Urban reminded them

Urban's also managed to lure over some of the more prominent figures from his Florida regime over to Columbus, in Mark Pantoni (Director of Player Personnel) and Brian Voltolini (Director of Football Operations). Thursday officially brought the news of another catch from the Gator staff, so let's get started...

MAROTTI RETURNS TO COLUMBUS. Ohio State announced Thursday the addition of Mickey Marotti to the program as Assistant Athletic Director for Football Sports Performance. Marotti comes to Ohio State from the University of Florida, where he was the Director of Sports Performance. 

According to OSU, "There is one person Ohio State head coach Urban Meyer trusts in the critical area of strength and conditioning training and overseeing sports performance, and he is an individual Meyer has worked with or hired three times previously: Mickey Marotti."

Things have come full circle for Meyer and Marotti, who originally met as graduate assistants at Ohio State in 1987. The two met again about a decade later, working together at Notre Dame. When Meyer took over at Florida in 2005, Marotti was one of his first hires, running the strength and conditioning programs for all Gator sports. They get back to work on this Buckeye team when OSU returns from the Gator Bowl in January.

Urban trusts that Marotti will "prepare our student-athletes to be the strongest, fastest and mentally toughest football players they can be." I don't need to remind you of the type of athleticism the Buckeyes were up against in that debacle in the desert, just know that it is largely credited to this man's doing. 

"I believe the strength staffs that Mickey has led have been the best staffs in college football," Meyer said. "He is the best there is at developing physically and mentally tough football players."

Want a taste of what the Meyer and Marotti tandem is all about? I highly recommend this video. Imagine it's scarlet and gray and Buckeye'd out, instead of filled with Gator influence, and you'll get as pumped as one can be this early in the morning.

HATERS GONNA HATE. Major props to Adam Rittenberg of ESPN for his post on Thursday, examining the NCAA coach waiver granted to Ohio State. Despite the normalcy of such a waiver, Dave Brandon, the University of Michigan Athletic Director, had voiced his fear confusion by saying he was "struggling to understand how this relates to the 'level playing field' the NCAA claims it is always working to create." Yes, Mr. Brandon, clearly you are struggling to understand something that is pretty common. Now I'm confused as to how you got your job. 

Brandon wasn't the only one with strong feelings on the matter. Even with Buckeye-hate-filled comments all over ESPN.com aside, others joined in on the group-think mentality that bred the idea that Ohio State is being given preferential treatment. Rob Otto, of Metro Networks, wrote up his thoughts on the matter. Oddly enough, while Otto admits that such a waiver is common practice, he still repeatedly insists that OSU is being given an unfair advantage. He even claims that "rewarding" Ohio State with this waiver just proves that the "NCAA is less interested in doing the right thing, and more interested in their own bottom line." 

The difference, for Otto, between OSU's waiver and the many others that are granted? Apparently it's that Ohio State is still awaiting it's punishment from the NCAA. He calls it "ludicrous" and goes on to whine that the NCAA should be making an example out of Ohio State. I'm not quite sure if he fails to see how butt-hurt he is, but likely not, considering he also managed to sneak in this gem: "OSU has become the premier program in the conference, but of course, they had to cheat to remain at that level in recent years." So, to Otto I must also ask... how did you get your job?

Marvin Fong/The Plain DealerThis guy is really excited for the Urban Meyer era.

BUCKEYES GONNA BALL. While the rest of the college football world (particularly the region to the north) isn't in love with Ohio State's many coaches, the Buckeyes who spoke to the media on Thursday are pretty pumped about all of them. 

Sophomore offensive lineman, Jack Mewhort, when asked about the experience of playing for three different head coaches during his time at OSU, responded, "I think that's awesome... I'll have everything that coach Tress told me, then I'll have this year with coach Fick, which has been great. He's been like a rock through the year that we always looked to. And I'm looking forward to playing for coach Meyer, and we all know what he's done... It's a unique experience a lot of guys don't get, and I'm looking forward to it."

According to theOzone, Stoneburner in particular was pleased to hear about the success that new offensive coordinator Tom Herman was able to get out of former Rice tight end, James Casey (111 catches for over 1,300 yards). 

"Intense" was apparently the word of the day, according to The Plain Dealer. Junior fullback Zach Boren reiterated that, by saying it was it was the first thing that struck him about Urban. "He said he expects the best out of us each and every day and he’s going to push us to the fullest,” Boren added.

It seems that these players expect a bit more of this type of intensity from Meyer than they got from Tressel. In fact, several of them noted the difference in style between the two coaches, and how that's been visibly apparent from Meyer from day one. 

Either way, while players can often struggle with the transition to a new coaching regime, the Buckeyes undoubtedly are excited about what is to come at Ohio State, and are ready to follow, wherever Urban may lead them.

MO MONEY, MO PROBLEMS. The NCAA announced Thursday that the new rule that would allow Division I institutions to give student-athletes an additional $2,000 allowance has been temporarily suspended.

The NCAA release said that 125 schools have voiced concerns over the rule, and their reasoning fell into four areas: "how quickly it was implemented, perceived impact on competitive equity, application of the allowance for student-athletes in equivalency sports, and implications for Title IX." Apparently, student-athletes that have already signed a LOI with schools in conferences that have already agreed to give the stipend, will still be receiving it. 

Kristi Dosh, ESPN sports-business reporter, tweeted that some of the concerns may have to do with faculty members upset over the money that would be given to this new allowance, when they haven't received raises in the last several years.

Regardless of the hold on implementing the rule, President Mark Emmert said he is "confident that there remains a very high level of support for this permissive legislation to provide better support for our student athletes.”

The Board of Directors will reconvene in January to determine the status of this rule, moving forward.

 ​LOOKING AT RGIII AND TP. Doug Lesmerises, of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, took a look back at two true-freshman that were starting QBs for their teams back in 2008, Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III of Baylor, and Terrelle Pryor.

Lesmerises points out many of the similarities between the two gifted talents, and how it proves that there's so much more than what meets the eye that can determine the ceiling of success a player can reach on the field. "It was Griffin who lost most of his sophomore season to a knee injury, not Pryor, but it was Pryor who got derailed. That can happen to any player."

While it seems that a certain true freshman quarterback currently at Ohio State possesses the off-field qualities that are also necessary in a having a complete, successful career at Ohio State, it's an interesting reminder to not get ahead of ourselves when visions of Heisman trophies dance in (some of) our heads.

HAPPY FRIDAY. ESPN's latest update to Bracketology... Penn State needs more time to respond to the NCAA... In case you were wondering who Terrell Suggs wanted as the new coach of Arizona State... He's a man! And he's Coach of the Year!... I'm pretty sure DJ is partially responsible for this... Cocaine's a helluva drug... This video was played for recruits at Florida's 2009 "Friday Night Lights."

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The Vest-er's picture

The FNL video was good, but lexco44 is better.  Maybe I'm biased by the subject matter

Fundamentals are a crutch for the talentless.

Elika's picture

Agreed. Hard to get pumped when watching another program's video... but it's certainly exciting to think about the possibilities of a similar forum for an Ohio State one to be shown in.

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acBuckeye's picture

That was a nice Florida video, but as we all know, this one is better.

Irricoir's picture

Elika, I see where you are going with the videos and I too want our team to get pumped up and excited. I know that we have never had a problem with the Buckeye's motivation. I know we got Urban from ESPN and he is the Gators former coach. I understand there is a certain amount of Gator talk and Tebow talk that I am going to have to endure. I know that I am going to hear how can we make the Buckeye team more like the SEC.

*uck that, says me!!! I want mo-fo's asking how OSU can be so dominant and how can the SEC step up their game to keep up with the Ohio machine. Look at the top caliber recruits that Urban is pulling in from across the country and more importantly, from the birthplace of Football itself! How do we match that speed, intensity and desire? I want the SEC looking at videos of Buckeye nation and admiring the loyalty and passion that we exude! I am not envious of them! We shall take what is ours and by taking I mean working our ass off, punching every mo-fo in the mouth, and driving through games where no lead is large enough to take your foot off the pedal. We're going to sack your QB so many daggone times that he refuses to call a pass play even if Steve Spurrier is coaching. I want to piss Saban off so much that he spanks his entire damn team. I want the entire nation as much as the SEC to realize that when a team is this damn talented you don't have to root for an entire conference to feel like a winner! I got that intensity from being a passionate, fanatic if you will, faithful follower of all that is Ohio State. I don't need to see footage of an SEC team to motivate me. I know what Urban can do based off his accomplishments. In that I have trust, the above is the direction I expect Urban to take this team.

 Intensity!!

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buckeyedude's picture

^^^^^Amen Brotha! I like the way you think Irrcoir! Standing O. I think Urb should hire you as the team's motivational speaker. Take no prisoners! I love it! If I remember correctly, that was Woody's mentality.  

 
 

Irricoir's picture

Thanks!!

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Bucknut-in-the-South's picture

Confusion in That State up North is a way of life - denizens of Mittenland still think Detroit is a major city, and all Mittenlanders north of Lansing think that drunken, midnight snowmobiling should be an Olympic sport.  Then, there is Gerald Ford...

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I agree, confusion reigns up there. They can't even figure out which is the one and true mitten state, not to mention the confusion about what's a "pro style" offense, gender/orifice confusion, sibling confusion (e.g., mistaking which brother is the big brother and which one is the little brother), etc.    

buckeyedude's picture

Drunken, midnight snowmobiling is good clean fun. Don't knock it till you try it. I go to the UP just for this every year for the last 10 years. I also enjoy wearing Buckeye clothing and the looks I get while there.

 
 

Northbrook's picture

While the haters is hatin' Urbz is taking their recruits.

cplunk's picture

Tyvis Powell's story about hitting 315 on th ebench is hilarious.

EDIT   Oops- didn't mean to post here. But since I did, look in Buckshots and read Tyvis Powell's recap of his official visit.

OHIOST1087's picture

Can you imagine John Simon version 4.0, after an offseason under Marotti? Also is there any updates on Verlon Reed? Will he be able to play in the bowl? The man was coming along nicely before his injury.

yoderdame's picture

I believe Reed tore his ACL. He'll probably just be starting light work by Spring Practice if that's the case. Everyone obviously comes back at a different rate but looking at CJ Barnett's timetable for recovery from last year is probably fair.

Buckeyejason's picture

Mariotti is great at what he does, but Litcher is no slouch..I know the guy personally and he knows atletic performance development to an elite level.

The guy trained Lebron James and Tedd Ginn jr before they were stars for goodness sakes. Sucks to see him go.

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flipbuckeye's picture

The guy trained Lebron James

Well that explains why we fall apart in the fourth quarter.

buck i's picture

You, sir, are a gentleman and a scholar.

cplunk's picture

You just won the internet

buckeyefanatic's picture

LeBron was a star at what ... 11 years old?  Mr. Ohio in basketball and All-State WR in football before getting his drivers license.  Doesn't matter, I am just reflecting.

Bummer to see guys like Litcher and Sutton moving on, I'm not terribly familiar with their work but they seemed to do a good job.  GO BUCKS and best wishes to them.

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acBuckeye's picture

I love it. Meyer keeps assembling a staff of guys with names that sound like they're hit-men from a major Mafia family. Hide yo' wife, hide yo' kids, hide yo' recruits!!!!

Buckeyejason's picture

Finally, some Pisano's on the coahing staff! LOL

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Buckeyejason's picture

*coaching

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Arizona_Buckeye's picture

My god, the potential of what is being created at Ohio State right now is just plain frightening and incredibly exciting!!!  I try to temper my expectations but its damn near impossible to do whne you continue to read stories like this pasted on top of the news from the recruiting trail! I really wish there was a fast foward button we could use to immediately jump to opening gameday next year! 

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Need to get The NCAA Decision Gray Box in our rear view mirror.  It's as Mid December as Mid December can get.

BuckeyeChris's picture

If the weather is nice this year, can you IMAGINE the attendance at the Spring Game?!

johnblairgobucks's picture

30,000 strong flocking Lane Ave. 3hrs before Spring Game kickoff, with the Danger Bros.. and smoke of cooking Bob Evan's Brats filling the air!!!

O-H!!

timdogdad's picture

like i said the other day, lets shoot for 100,000 !  that plus a nice weather day-epic!    

buckeyedude's picture

I'm there. I hope they do it on the weekend though.

 
 

btalbert25's picture

Well all I know is when this guy got 4 and 5 star O and D lineman they seemed unstoppable and explosive.  We saw how quick and strong our guys have been in comparison to Florida in the trenches.  It could be poor talent evaluation, poor coaching, or maybe they guys weren't in the kind of shape Urban demands they need to be in.  He said in his first team meeting that there were guys who needed to shed some lbs.   This guy could do wonders for a player like Hankins. 

Buckeyejason's picture

I agree with everything you said..but I think Hankins is in good shape considering he's a natural nose tackle. He played a ton of snaps this season and rarely came off the field. He also played out of position a lot at defensive end which I hope that doesn't happen next season.

Keep Hankins at the Nose spot or whatever is closest in the 4-3 and use Goebel as a backup.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Yep, I'd take 2 or 3 flabby Mt Cody or Glen Dorsey's in the middle of OSU's D-Line

btalbert25's picture

Yeah, Hankins just has a lot of baby fat still.  I know nose tackles are supposed to be huge, just noticed he still has quite a bit of jiggle to him lol.  I was thinking more in terms of speed and explosiveness though.  He's already pretty fast, but if he can work hard with this guy and get even more explosive, he'll go from really good player to Elite.

Buckeyejason's picture

Litcher was perfect for training guys like Hankins. Quick burst, fast twitch muscle explosion type training.

I think Mariotti excells at more "pure speed" training..I could be wrong, helped guys that were already fast like Harvin, Demps, Rainey, and those long lean D-ends that destroyed us in the National Title game.

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NC_Buckeye's picture

What Michigan AD Brandon is up to with his whining about the dual-staff waiver as preferential treatment. It's not as innocuous as you think.

I think the NCAA has already demonstrated they can be influenced to give out tougher penalties than what's precedented. My proof: compare our player penalties for the DiGeronimo infractions compared with what Miami players got as a result of the Shapiro infractions (which were much worse IMO).

My opinion is that Brandon is trying to influence (i.e. make worse) the impending NCAA sanctions that should be handed down any day now. It's a very subtle maneuver on his part. I hope Smith has the appropriate people on the phone in Indy.

Maestro's picture

Of course he is trying to be influential.  He sees the day of reckoning on the horizon.

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Baroclinicity's picture

Is the Miami case finished yet?  It's surprisingly quiet, and I've just been assuming the investigation is on-going, but you don't hear anything about that anymore.

BuckeyeSki's picture

They 'aborted' the investigation lulz

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*rimshot

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johnblairgobucks's picture

seem crazy to have the Miami situation reveal, investigated and decided in the span of a month.  Miami's program was sanctioned for major violations in the past 15 years, and here they are again.  From all accounts, people thought there were some pretty serious wrong doings down in Coral Gables, but the Hurricanes recieved less punishment than OSU (for the tattoos) and the investigation was 1 month compared to OSU's which is now spanning 12 months.  It seems odd. 

 

johnblairgobucks's picture

I remember John Cooper's comments after taking over from a fading Earl Bruce regime.  Coop said the team "had too many slow white guys". Comments offended some, but were accurate.  Coopers record in the final 2 games in each of his seasons in Columbus aside, he took OSU to a new level in the College football world.  Maybe Meyer wanting some guys to "shed some pounds" will have the same elevating effect

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Not relevant to anything on here, but has anyone seen what the google suggestions are when you type "craig james" into the search box?

This is real. Try it yourself! Lulz!

 

BucksfanXC's picture

How is that you know how to screen cap this well, but still use frozen caveman browser?

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Nappy's picture

+11

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TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Dude... don't even get me started. This is what I have to work with everyday. My employer hasn't reached the 21st century yet apparently. Our software is pure crap, and half of the interwebs wont display on this crap browser.

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Day one here at my job I downloaded Chrome. I don't understand how businesses don't realize how much better they could run on faster software.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

just for shits and giiiiiiigs y'all..we're at 6 on Scout.com recruiting

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyejason's picture

Really!?!? That means we're going to win a national championship right!?!?!? I kid I kid.

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

oh come on now..you know that it is exciting to close the gap on scUM

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeyejason's picture

Alllriiight you got me, it is.

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Maestro's picture

I know you don't believe in the recruiting rankings, but here is a little research that might make some impact on your beliefs.  

Again, my stance is that they are a tad overblown, but they are certainly relevant when you are talking about competing at the top of the top of college football.  If you can't recruit with the big boys in terms of recruiting rankings you aren't very likely to win the big games.

http://www.thebestdamnpoll.com/ScoresandNews/tabid/177/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/898/Recruiting-Matters--Says-Research.aspx

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Buckeyejason's picture

I'm not going to say that they are completely worthless..my whole thing is this.

For example: If one recruiting class is raked #2 in the country and has players like

Sabino
Ray Small
Rob Rose
Connor Smith
Duron Carter
Jamario O'neal

Another recruiting class is ranked 28th in the country and has players like

Laurinaitis
Malcome Jenkins
Brian Hartline
Dane Sanzenbacher
Aj Hawk
Daniel Herron

I think its more important to look back at recruiting classes when its all said and done and rank which ones were more successful ON THE FIELD than coming out of high school.

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Baroclinicity's picture

Compelling argument. 

Ranking recruits seems like a pretty daunting task... there are so many of them each year (how many high schools with football programs are there?).  How do you differentiate between 25 vs. 50 vs. 75 vs. 100?  If you have a lot of realy good players, 25 spots in the order could easily be chalked up to splitting hairs.  Then there are numerous variables like supporting cast which could make some look 'better' than they are, while making some look 'worse' than they are if they are on a 5-5 team.  Great players in small towns may not get the same type of 'look' while schools known for putting out talent may get a bump in favorability.  Who knows...

Sometimes its better to just blur your eyes a little bit in the grand scheme of things.

johnblairgobucks's picture

Forget who posted this analysis of recruiting rankings, but I'm gullible and never considered the possibilities.  

Alot of recruits verbal early on- these recruits have their rankings slide by alot of the services after they commit-  low rated recruits have their rankings skyrocket Nov., Dec. and Jan. as they are "reevaluated" by the ESPN's and Scouts-  no-one wants to pay a recruiting site $100 dollars to read about a kid who's been committed to OSU for a year, but you'll pay $ to read about a recently "discovered" stud who can't make up his mind. 

I don't think Orlando Pace was a 5* recruit.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

That's fine - no one disagrees that it's much easier to assess a class retrospectively.

But when it comes to projecting how current recruiting classes figure to perform the next 4-5 years, the rankings can be quite helpful. Sure, you can cherry pick two Ohio State classes as exceptions to the rule, but I'd want to see a lot more data before drawing any serious conclusions.

Based on the data analyses I have seen, I'll take my chances with classes studded with "blue chip" players, thank you.   

btalbert25's picture

I think the rankings are important to an extent.  Unless a school has an insane recruiting year like some of the classes USC put together, I just don't think the difference between number 1 and number 15 is that significant typically.  Some of the classes teams put together are 5 star heavy but maybe not across the board.  Texas may get 3, 5 star athletes, but not a 5 star QB, WR, and LB.  So while yes, they landed some big fish, perhaps their class overall is a bit weak because they didn't address needs at several positions.

If Ohio State had a top 3 or 4 player at each position in the class, but none are 5 stars or only 1 is a 5 star.  i like that class a lot more than Texas who landed 3, 5 star athletes.  The recruiting rankings also put an emphasis on the number of players recruited in a given class. 

It's not a perfect science,  how many kids are playing high school football? Kids are going to get over rated or under rated from time to time.  While 1 number 1 class doesn't mean you'll win the national championship, several top 10 classes in a row, certainly improves your odds.'

It's no surprise why the teams who are the most successful, Ohio State, Florida, USC, LSU, and Texas are consistently in the top 10 for recruiting as well. 

btalbert25's picture

I think another thing the recruiting rankings just can't of don't quantify is the mental make up of a kid.  How mature are they how intelligent are they, are they a hard worker.  That's why sometimes guys like Latwaan Anderson end up 5 stars despite never really seing the field in college.  Or even Sabino who it seems had a hard time learning the playbook, and just never was quite the player we once thought he would be.

Could you imagine how horrible a class it would've have been if Latwaan and Seantrelle both commited to Ohio State?  Million dollar talents with 10 cent heads.  That's why I was never upset that we missed out on those two. 

Also, there's no way of telling when a kid with freakish ability has peaked in high school.  Some guys are just so gifted so early that they appear to be men playing with boys.(eh maybe not the best selection of words ther) but often times that's exactly what it is.  The guy peaked too young and just appears to be far and above everyone else. 

Buckeyejason's picture

Is a douche

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

But you're talking about variables that aren't necessarily any more present among 4 and 5 star guys than other players recruited to play major FBS football: there's no reason to believe that four & five star guys are more likely to be dumb, lazy, party-prone, maxed-out in terms of potential, etc. as the sub-three star "off the radar" players; if anything, the opposite would be true. 

If you're saying that recruiting rankings are no substitute for serious player evaluation, you have no argument with me.

However, while recruiting rankings might be unreliable crutches for coaches, they're pretty good baromoters for fans. Players who the big time coaches evaluate as being among the tops in their classes at their positions are more likely to be rated highly by the rating services. As long as the tail is not wagging the dog . . .

Run_Fido_Run's picture

To clarify my point (above): variables like intelligence, work ethic, desire to party, etc. are probably relatively constant (i.e., relatively evenly distributed among 2,3,4,5 star guys), whereas talent is not. The rating systems are supposed to measure talent/potential. So, if the ratings systems do a decent job of gauging talent, over the long run, highly rated classes will outperform lower rated classes, with the other variables you mention above "coming out in the wash."

Also, people tend to erroneously use a few (possibly isolated) examples to draw larger conclusions, which aren't warranted. They're remember the vivid examples of high-profile busts, while tending to forget all the four and five star guys who became highly productive players. In general and over the long run, the recruiting rankings are fairly predictive.      

Buckeyejason's picture

I think you have too much brain power for your own good. Why do you waste such intelligence and time on a football blog? Just curious.

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btalbert25's picture

You are looking too far into what I'm saying man.  The only thing I'm getting at is because a guy is bigger, faster, and stronger than everyone he's playing with and against at 17 years old, he gets 5 stars.  There needs to be more evaluation than just Big, Fast, and Strong to determine if a given group of kids are going to translate into a great recruiting class.  There's no way to quantify it or anything.  That's what coaches get paid to do. 

There's just no way you can tell when looking at Rival's rankings when the kid is in high school if he's going to be a 5 star player in the mold of Tim Tebow or if he's going to end up like Jamario O'Neal.  That's what the player evaluation and everything comes into it. 

I'm not saying recruiting rankings aren't important, far from it.  I'm saying the difference between a top rated class and a 10th rated class isn't much.  It's fairly meaningless to me if USC  has 10 5 star recruits coming in, if Ohio State has 2 or 3 targets at each position that they want, and they land those committs.  That's all I'm saying. 

btalbert25's picture

Basically, I think we are in agreement here. I just don't care much about how many stars any given recruiting service attaches to a kid.  They do that so they can get fans excited and paying for subscriptions.

I want to see what their offer list is.  I doubt Urban Meyer uses Rivals or Scout as a tool for his recruiting.  I like to see that Ohio State, Michigan, and Bama want this kid and he's coming to Ohio State.  Dodson, while a highly touted recruit is very important to this class and if he's the number 1 player in America, or number 250 by rivals I don't really care, it's clear that he's needed.  Washington is what the number 3 rated player in his position?  I want him, it's irrelevant to me if he is assigned 5 stars by some dude.  Ohio State, Oregon, and others wanted him to play for them.  Those are far more important rankings to me, than how many stars they are given.

Irricoir's picture

The difference between Ohio State and Alabama is that Tressel took time to get to know kids. He studied their videos and saw direction with them. That's why we've had more than our share of successful three stars. Saban made a statement in regards to oversigning, that he didn't have time to sit down and evaluate all of the talent out there. That means the more talent he had on his teams before the number crunch, he could cherry pick who he wanted to play and who he decided was too injured to continue his career at Alabama. Of course the later is speculation on my part but the truth is that he did say that he took little time to evaluate recruits. Maybe he delegated that to someone else? I don't know. With all the incentives he gets for signing a top 5 class you better bet he recruits based on rivals/scouts evaluations. It seems to have been working out well for him.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I'm not sure how much Tressel even spent getting to know the kids and evaluating though.  Fickel and Hazelle were always given credit for being recruiting monsters, usually it was Tressel who sealed the deal.  He had plenty of kids who flopped too.  I just can't see too many legit coaches going out and saying wow, Rivals and scout have this kid 4 and 5 star, WE MUST HAVE HIM.  In fact I think it's the other way.  When schools like Bama and Ohio State want a kid, it drives their value up and improves their standing in my opinion. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, it seems we are mostly in agreement. I probably give a little more credit to the rating services actually doing their homework and having decent records of predicting success, etc., but we're on the same page, logically - whereas I'm not sure that's been the case with other commenters addressing this subject in the past.

btalbert25's picture

No doubt I was oversimplifying what they are doing to come to their conclusions.  They have guys payed very well to create buzz and generate interest.  Recruiting info has exploded the last few years and these guys are making a fortune.

Maestro's picture

Pull off the band aid already.

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Buckeyejason's picture

Just like Jerry and George say "Right off!!"

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

lol

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BTwrestle04's picture

According to Dave Biddle, Luke Fickell interviewed for the Pitt job some time this week. Ron Zook as well. 

Texas Buckeye's picture

I saw that. I say if Fickell wants to start his head coaching career at Pitt, then good for him. I have a lot of respect for the way he handled the mess that was this past season. I would still like to see him stay at tOSU under Urban, but it's his decision.

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Hoody Wayes's picture

Luke did, huh? Perhaps, that's why Urb made it clear to WBNS, Fickell would be calling D-plays, huh?

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I'm just guessing that it's more accidental than that. Fickell probably prefers to remain the DC/AHC at Ohio State comared to taking a job at a MAC school or other such "project." Given how the Pittsburgh thing has gone down, though, it might give Fickell a chance to start off at a mid-level program - i.e., a golden opportunity sort of falling into his lap. But I doubt he's been actively shoping around, although I could be wrong . . .

Hoody Wayes's picture

Purely, from a Buckeye perspective...6-6 isn't good enough.

But, other eyes have been watching. And from a general perspective, Luke Fickell has done a great job.

Given OSU's prestige, if Luke is offered Pitt and he feels ready - he should take it. If it were MAC gig, I'd advise him to stay put.

 

buckeyedude's picture

Dissing the MAC again? There are some good coaches and players there.

 
 

BTwrestle04's picture

Really hoping that we keep Fickell. Who nows what effect losing him may have on some of our current commits. 

NYC Buckeye's picture

If its true and he did interview, if he gets it he should obviously take it... the head coaching job at Pitt is much better than any MAC school...

I don't see Pitt hiring him though... I love Fickell and want him to remain as our DC and possibly one day head coach, however you have to think Pitt will have much more qualified/established candidates eager for that job...

Texas Buckeye's picture

I agree with what you're thinking, but stranger things have happened. You just never know what kind of coaching hires will be made these days. (Example: Charlie Weis, Kansas)

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cbusbuckeye's picture

Weis to Kansas still makes zero sense to me

Menexenus's picture

Why not?  I think it was a great move, both for Weis and for Kansas.  Weis clearly has real coaching ability, but the spotlight at Notre Dame was just too much for him.  And when he got on the hot seat, there wasn't very much patience for him to turn things around.  At Kansas he can fly under the radar for a few years and the Kansas fanbase will give him time to slowly build the program up.  So I think it makes perfect sense.

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William's picture

Weis hasn't ever really excelled as a coach in my opinion. People will point to his "success" at Notre Dame. Well he only did well with Willingham's players, not his..

BuckeyeChris's picture

I'm not sure that I agree. Where, other than a MAC school, would you leave for Pitt? To me, a one-year stint at THE OSU > any stint at any MAC school. 

I think Fickell has a very good shot at landing the Pitt job. You can certainly see where he could lay out a pretty compelling argument in terms of "Yeah, we went 6-6, but look at the crap I inherited. Look at how effectively I can recruit. With the crap going on at PSU, I can land some athletes who may otherwise go there. Give me 5 years. We'll have the best team in the state of Pennsylvania." 

NYC Buckeye's picture

True nobody would leave Texas to coach Pitt, but my point was Pitt has football history, tradition and resources, they have two national championships, hesiman trophy winner... Its a good job with the resources to win...

Not saying that Fickell wouldn't succeed there, but if I was the AD my goal would be someone with a more established track record...

jfrank373's picture

Agreed. I love Luke Fickell just as much as John Gruden probably loves him. Great guy, awesome Buckeye, great for the program and great for the kids. I would love for him to be on the staff but I would also not be opposed to him leaving so we can have a clean slate.

BuckeyeChris's picture

I have thought all along that Urbz saying, "I want Fickell on this staff... " has been a kind gesture allowing Fickell to avoid the stain of being immediately dismissed/booted off the staff.

This way, instead of "I was canned," Fickell can say to prospective employers, "Ummm...they hired Urbz, dude." 

I never interpreted Urban "keeping" him as meaning that Fickell would definitely be here next year. If he gets offered a head coaching job somewhere and takes it, good for him. 

Nappy's picture

I wonder what Fickell leaving would do to Vrabel's chances of staying on staff

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Texas Buckeye's picture

I have a feeling that if Fickell leaves, Vrabel goes with him. Just my thought.

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Northbrook's picture

I would think so.

It would hurt to lose Luke. I think the best thing for him now is to contunie his education under Urbz.

TBDBITLinWIScantSON's picture

"Luke, take your place by my side, and together we will rule the galaxy"
/geek

WB

TBDBITLinWIScantSON's picture

But we all know how that turned out.

WB

BuckeyeSki's picture

I can't remember, but is Shugarts gonna let his on-field performance mirror that of his classwork and graduate early?

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Irricoir's picture

/smiles

False start on his diploma?

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johnblairgobucks's picture

Pitt would be crazy not to hire Fickell.  I would hate to see him go.  I think it would be very interesting to see the effects it would have on our recruiting class.

Buckeyejason's picture

I think bringing in Githers(sp?) as D.C. and Fickell being around as "co D.C." Will cause problems or won't clash right so to speak. Just my 2 cents.

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johnblairgobucks's picture

 Mark May would sh!t his pants if a great Buckeye took over his beloved Pitt. 

Menexenus's picture

Ha!  You're right! 

If we end up losing Fickell, this thought will be a great silver lining for me.  :-)

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