Friday Skull Session

By Elika on December 9, 2011 at 6:28a
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I must admit, the blues are kicking in. Even after a 6-6 season for the Buckeyes, I find myself disappointed in the taste of what is to come that tomorrow will provide. There is just one game left in the college football regular season.

While there are bowl games, a rematch against Florida, and exciting Urban Meyer news every other day to look forward to, I can't undo the perma-pout that is starting to make it's way onto my face. How did it all go by so fast?

Nobody likes to see a woman cry, it's just uncomfortable and incredibly unfair, so before the tears start to flow... let's get started. Oh, and Happy Friday!

URBAN'S STAFF STARTS TO TAKE SHAPE. In case you missed the news yesterday, Urban Meyer proved, yet again, that the smug grin on the face of Wolverine Nation isn't the only thing he's able to snatch up. As Urban goes to work on filling out his coaching staff, and recruiting players like a mofo, it was reported yesterday by CBSSports.com that Tom Herman will be the first coach from outside the existing Ohio State coaching staff to join the program. 

Herman heads to Columbus from Iowa State, where he served as the offensive coordinator/QB coach for three years. Prior to that, he was the offensive coordinator at Rice for two years. While Herman isn't a widely known name among casual college football fans nationally, he does appear to be a great get for Urban Meyer and Ohio State.

For one, getting an offensive coordinator at a Big12 school to accept a demotion to quarterbacks coach shows the power Ohio State still holds, and the immediate impact that Urban Meyer is having. Secondly, at the ripe, old age of 36, Herman is referred to by Bruce Feldman as "arguably the 'smartest' coach in college football," and that can't be a bad thing. Lastly, he comes to Ohio State with considerably more substantial experience than the last QB coach hire, so I don't even think Meyer cares if Herman can brew a great cup of coffee, that's clearly not what he'll be doing. 

Given the fact that Urban hasn't been too shy to admit his obvious enthusiasm for Braxton Miller, it's safe to say that this decision isn't one he took lightly. It'll be great to see what Herman can do at a place like OSU with talent like Braxton's.

SULLY, SULLY, SULLY, SULLY (PROBABLY) ROCKIN' EVERYWHERE. According to Thad Matta, Jared Sullinger told him that he woke up dancing yesterday morning. I'm still trying to figure out how this is newsworthy, as I've always kind of assumed that's how Sully always wakes up any day of the week. Just me? Back to the point... 

Matta obviously sensed some optimism out of Sullinger's comments, and most sources have him listed as probable for tomorrow's game against the 13th ranked Kansas Jayhawks. Basically, the decision will be Sullinger's to make on game day "It's kind of on him, just sort of how he feels," Matta said. 

How did Kansas coach, Bill Self respond to the vagueness of it all? "If I were a betting man," Self said, "I'd say Thad's not a very good poker player, because I think that he'll probably play." Self also confirmed that their only game plan for now, is to prepare for the Buckeyes' best. It seems unlikely at this point, but if Sullinger does sit this one out, his roommate Evan Ravenel, who took over for him last Saturday against Texas-Pan American, will take his place once more. Ravenel had 11 points and seven rebounds in that game.

And, to leave you with just a tad bit more optimism, Craft's $0.02 on Sullinger coming off an injury (based on their days on an AAU team together) were as follows, "He would go throughout the weekend and maybe not feel the greatest and then come out and have 40 points and 20 rebounds. It's hard to get a read on a guy like Jared." 

Memories of Heisman Trophy week. 

 TROPHIES GALORE. The first slow week of the wonderful world of college football brings an opportunity to hand out hardware to the kids that have worked their asses off and earned a trophy that is all their own... as long as they don't want to sell it while they're still a student-athlete, because the NCAA can tell them what they can and can not do with their own property that they have supposedly earned. (Wow, I am full of digressions this week!)

Quarterback Andrew Luck of Stanford has been the big winner of the college football awards circuit thus far, grabbing the Johnny Unitas Golden Arm (top senior quarterback), Walter Camp Award and the Maxwell Award (both for college football's top player of the year). Though Luck appeared to be the preseason favorite for the Heisman Trophy as well this year, Quarterback Robert Griffin III of Baylor, according to many sources, is the current favorite to take home that beautiful stiffarm trophy this weekend. Griffin has already won the Davey O'Brien Award, given to the nation's top quarterback.

As far as the other Heisman finalists go, Tyrann Mathieu of LSU won the Chuck Bednarik Award, Trent Richardson of Alabama won the Doak Walker award and Montee Ball of Wisconsin came up empty handed. 

In an ironic twist on the week that it was reported he seemingly doesn't care about people at all, Nick Saban and the Alabama Crimson Tide accepted the Disney Spirit Award, for their efforts in aiding the victims of a tornado that swept through Alabama back in April.

NITTANY LIONS IN THE DOGHOUSE. The Big Ten Council of Presidents and Chancellors met this week to discuss Penn State and their current sex-abuse scandal. After their meetings, they released this statement yesterday. The statement basically says that regardless of what the NCAA decides on the matter, the Big Ten still reserves the right to "impose sanctions, corrective or other disciplinary measures" on Penn State, if it so chooses. 

It's still too soon to say just how far the conference would be willing to go in this case to punish the Big Ten, but according to Brian Bennett, there are rumors that some of the schools within the conference have lobbied to kick Penn State out of the conference, due to their disgust with the whole situation. Bennett also points out that while typically the conference has wanted their lawyers involved with such matters in order to help defend it's member institution, it seems in this case that Penn State cannot expect an ally in the B1G.

One of the main things the conference is interested in is whether or not there was a concentration of power in an individual (Paterno) or program that "threatened or eroded institutional control of intercollegiate athletics at Penn State."

 MUSICAL CHAIRS: COACHES EDITION. Short of a school facing an NCAA ruling hiring a 2 time national championship coach, this was quite the interesting week in coaching. What have you missed?

Well, for one, in one of the more bizarre non-hires I've ever witnessed, Arizona State offered June Jones their head coaching position... then Ashton Kutcher ran out and told Jones he was getting punked, because.... the boosters didn't like him. When asked about it on Thursday, Jones said, "I wish Arizona State well, and we're going to do well... I'm very happy at SMU."

In another move that left the college football world scratching their heads this week, Charlie Weis has accepted the head coaching position at Kansas. As much as many of us might be wondering what led them to believe this was such a great steal for them, Kansas administrators seem to be pretty pleased with themselves. Kansas AD Sheahon Zenger told ESPN's Joe Schad the hiring "puts Kansas on the national map." Oh, the jokes to be made with that one.

​LINKS TO HELP YOU KILL SOME TIME. Another guy who has coached under Urban Meyer... One of the more bizarre days in recent NBA history... Face may not be the only thing Penn State is losing... Honey Badger does care, or LSU does, anyway... Montee Ball's consolation prize... PLEASE scroll down to the poll and laugh out loud.

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Sean N's picture

Maybe Tressel can help Siciliano get a job with the Colts to develop Andrew Luck.

Baroclinicity's picture

So do we hope that Herman is really pretty somewhat very good and not super great so that he doesn't get snatched up for a head coaching position, or do we just go all out and hope he's amazing even though we may only keep him a couple years?  Regardless, I do like hearing the good vibe about the guy -- sounds like a great hire.

rkylet83's picture

Unfortunately when you have good coordinators/assistants they usually don't last too long.  

cronimi's picture

True, but here's how I see (hope) it happening. Herman comes in as QB coach, and Studrawa (sp) from LSU (or other high-profile 'get') comes in as OC.  Then, after 2-3 years, the OC gets a HC job at a big-time program, and Herman is elevated to OSU's OC.  Then after 2-3 years, Herman leaves for a HC job at a big-time program, and (hopefully) by that time Urbz has groomed another position coach (Drayton maybe) to take over as OC.

And the circle of (assistant coaching) life continues....

Denny's picture

Who is Tom Hermano?

Taquitos.

Abe Froman's picture

Another day of vacation and another solid article.  I actually had some business at Penn State University last week (with the college of Mining and Engineering) and the feeling there is that NCAA sanctions are inevitable due to the obvious cover-up.  One professor even told me that if it were him, he would not have reported such an act to his superiors, instead calling 9-1-1.  He said that he doesn't trust them. 

As for the Herman hire, I think everyone in the Buckeye nation agrees with glaring weaknesses at the offensive coordinator and QB Coach positions.  Not as much with Sciliano, as who knows he actually may be a genius, but more with the O Coord.  Think about it, you can be a solid position coach, but if the coordinator makes bad decisions, it also will reflect upon you. 

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

acBuckeye's picture

Under Siciliano, it was hard to notice much improvement year to year with the QBs. Boekman was the same player in '08 as he was in '07, maybe worse. Pryor never really took off until his third year in the program, and even then he made most of the same mistakes he made as a freshman. His pure athletic ability bailed him out on numerous occassions. Now, how much of that blame goes to Siciliano or Tressel is up for debate.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

The problem with our QB development is that there's been little to no improvement in QB intelligence.  I think the QB position is the most mental position on the field and, while we had guys with talent, they couldn't get a presnap read to save their lives.  We need QBs to be developed into an ability to get accurate presnap reads, direct his protection and/or audible at the line.  At the very least, we need a QB to play the numbers game before the snap and know where the proper risk to take is before the ball is snapped.  

acBuckeye's picture

That is all true, but to me, if the same issue is coming up with different QB's, then that is a reflection on the coaches. Coming out of HS, i'm willing to bet that most of these guys have no clue how to read a defense pre-snap. They rely solely on their ability to make plays. When they get to college, the coaches have to show them how to read a defense. The last guy we had that did a great job of this was Troy in '06, before Siciliano was running errands for Tressel.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

That is exactly what I'm saying.  Our coaches have failed to teach the most important part of being a QB. 

acBuckeye's picture

Sorry, i thought you were trying to say that it was the player's fault. Which i'm sure part of it is as well.

btalbert25's picture

I think the player has some responsibility but at the same time take a guy like Pryor.  I know a lot of people can't stand him, and l he said a lot of stuff people didn't like, but there was no question he was a very hard worker.  There's never been any report that he screwed off or half assed anything.  Also, he was never in any academic trouble so he was smart enough to grasp that concept of being a QB.  If he was that relentless in his preparation, and by all indications he was, you have to think he wasn't being advised very well. 

I'd say the same with Boeckman.  The guy wasn't an idiot, and never heard anything about him being a slacker or anything.  If these guys are putting in all the work, and Boeckman surely wasn't great, but he wasn't horrible either, how are they not getting better? 

Braxton is a really sharp kid.  He is tremendously talented.  With the right person going over film with him, and developing him along, he could be scarry good.

BTwrestle04's picture

While I'm not saying that I liked Siciliano being our QBs coach, it is possible that the two quarterbacks you mentioned reached their peak. Don't you think that Tressel worked with them just as much as Siciliano? Tressel was a quarterback at Baldwin-Wallace.

acBuckeye's picture

I could be wrong, but i thought there were some rumblings about Pryor getting preferential treatment from Tressel, no?

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Given some of Tressel's comments about Pryor leading up to the supplemental draft, I would say those rumblings probably aren't true. Tressel routinely referred to Pryor as a "very hard work", doing "whatever it takes to prepare", because he's a "perfectionist". Tressel even said Pryor worked so hard to perfect everything that he was sometimes too hard on himself when things didn't go right.

Buckeyejason's picture

What about Troy Smith's amazing progression?

BUCKEYES BABY!

RBuck's picture

That was Joe Daniels.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

BuckeyeChris's picture

^^^^ Yup. 

 

All of this makes such a glaring / obvious point. As much as I loved Tressel and thank him for his dominance of the B1G, I feel practically bipolar every time I think about him lately, solely because of the undue struggles the team faced on the offensive side of the ball so that he could be the best friend he could be to Bolls, etc... 

 

I remain stuck on the O-line development (and distinct lack, thereof). Go back to Zwick vs. Smith. Was Smith a better pure passer in 2004?  Was he more polished? More prepared for big time college football? Nope. He had better feet and could run away from pursuit (read: our o-line sucks, who's better at escaping defensive linemen?).  Fast forward to 2008. Same story (to a degree... I accept the high-profile nature of TP's recruitment makes things a little different).  It was obvious at USC that we needed a QB who could evade the rush. Again, it was just "accepted" that the O-line was going to be a weakness and the staff would just "plan around that."

The most profound change I eagerly anticipate in the new regime is the development of an O-line, which will allow for the best arm and to be behind center...and not necessarily the fastest feet, by default.

 

 

Nappy's picture

I eagerly anticipate scoring points as the result of an offensive scheme that doesn't rely on QB draws on 3rd and 13. 

Fan of bacon since 1981

acBuckeye's picture

I agree with the O-line being an issue for a while. They can be good at times, but rarely sustained over an entire season. And decisions that just didn't make sense (Bryant Browning at RT?!?! LULZ!!). Of course this mostly falls on The Walrus, who during practice with the O-line would do nothing but yell "Oy oy oy oy!!!" while flopping his hands together in approval.

As for Meyer's influence, I think he prefers smaller, more athletic linemen who can move.

BuckeyeChris's picture

...as long as they drink plenty of chocolate milk. 

ThirdLegLouie's picture

IMO, Meyer does NOT prefer smaller, more athletic linemen who can move. Meyer prefers linemen with superior talent, regardless of body size. Just look at the Pouncey brothers at Flordia-- those were some big boys who were elite talents.  Urban is an intelligent coach who values talent above all- talented freshmen will play over less talented upperclassmen; talented big linemen will play over less talented small linemen; talented small linemen will play over less talented big linemen, etc.

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
blazers34's picture

I really shouldnt care, but some of the things said about Tressel in the comments section of that Bruins Nation blog bother the shit out of me. 'A hybrid of Pete Carroll and Mike Garrett' is just one example.  I know its the homer in me, but I thought he would be seen as a great coach, good guy, who made a few shitty shitty decisions.  Calling him morally bankrupt is absurd.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Those comments, and the poll itself pissed me off. Linking to pure Tress hate should come with a warning label so I can avoid it.

Squirrel Master's picture

What amazes me the most about the comments in that post is that they were concerned about bowl bans! WHEN WAS THE LAST YEAR UCLA WENT TO A BOWL THAT MATTERED!!! They would be lucky to get a guy like Tressel. I would take him back with open arms to OSU for all the things he did.

 

P.S. Neuheisel broke NCAA laws as well when they hired him! lol

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Orlando Buckeye's picture

True.  Part of the "morally bankrupt" conclusion comes from the end of the article where they rehash the SI "raffle-gate" BS.  Living in FL I get to hear a few other fanbases' opinion of him.  Most normal people tend to say he seemed like a nice, upstanding guy who got caught up in covering up for his players either for them or his own benefit.  Then you have the dummies who spout off about him being crooked, a cheat, and a hypocrite.  In my experience, I get about 70/30 normal to dummy ratio.

 

I lol'd where Elika pointed out the poll at the bottom where it specificly calls him a "cheater" and asks if Bruin Nation would want him as their coach.  Options are No, Hell NO, Maybe, and Yes.  It was 90% Yes when I checked it.

flipbuckeye's picture

It's amazing how people outside of Ohio view Tressel now. You have to thank SI (HOW DEEP IT WENT!!!!!!!!11) and basically 90% of ESPN's articles in the past year that made Tressel out to be this evil monster. Not saying he's an angel by any means, but I'll take him over most of the other coaches in FBS. Dude just got caught doing what everyone else does.

rkylet83's picture

I wonder if anything will happen to that turtle neck wearing nancy boy George Dohrmann.  Essentially ruined a good mans careers with a mostly BS article.  

NC_Buckeye's picture

One of the only fair assessments of Tressel from a cfb analyst came about as a result of the PSU scandal.

After Tressel had lost his job, I spoke to another high-profile college coach, the kind who could also one day earn an ESPN fluff piece about teaching life lessons. He readily admitted that confronted with the same situation as Tressel, he would’ve done the exact same thing and told no one.

Why? He said he wouldn’t have wanted to deal with the investigation, the headlines and the potential losses. It would all be such a hassle. The shorter answer: he’s human, no matter how the image-makers have sold him.

Those a-holes at Bruin Nation that are calling Tressel a scumbag and a cheater should probably practice a little introspection before they come out with the attitude. Them living in a glass house and all. Just saying.

Mush's picture

Agreed Blazer. If you go on their site today, the fanbase is extremely divided and the numerous posts are coming in at all angles. As of this morning, 68% of Bruins Nation are in favor of Tressel.

http://www.bruinsnation.com/2011/12/8/2621238/jim-tressel-and-ncaa-violations-the-early-years

acBuckeye's picture

"... and recruiting players like a mofo"

Rick Perry would be proud as he tells you goodbye:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tVSOIEDTcU  (low audio)

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

(Offering shoulder to cry on) #totallytryingtocopafeel

Joe Beale's picture

The really funny thing about that poll is that despite the trashing of The Vest given by the writer, the vote is still 67% "Yes". 

cronimi's picture

Yeah, it was at 69% when I checked/voted (or trollvoted, according to some of the commenters). The sad thing is the Dohrmann piece and others have created a mostly false perception of Tressel outside of Ohio/the OSU fanbase. Yes, JT made some really bad/stupid decisions, for which he paid dearly. But I reject any argument that he has a pattern and practice of NCAA rules violations because it just isn't true. While incidents have occurred at his programs, (1) other than tatgate, he has not been directly implicated in such incidents, (2) incidents happen at most big-time programs; it just so happens that his have been more widely publicized, and (3) correlation =/= causation.

I think the result of the poll, despite the attack piece prefacing it, speaks volumes about the silent majority who realize JT is a winner and employing him is not selling one's soul to the devil.

Irricoir's picture

Up to 70% now lol.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Bucksfan's picture

I think what's funnier about this thread is the shear lack of self-awareness by certain posters.  If 11W had the same poll 6 months ago asking our fanbase if we'd want Urban Meyer, it might even have been a majority that DID NOT want him.  And you'd see all sorts of comments posted about the kind of players he recruits (lots of high profile legal troubles), the fact that he's wishy-washy, that he has the reputation of the Urban Liar, etc.

The brass tax: Tressel lied and got a competitive advantage out of it.  The 3 best offensive players he ever had all took improper benefits and lost eligibility over it.  His offenses are some of the most painful to watch in all of college football (does not translate well to what Pac-12 fans generally want to see).

Everyone, just please stop acting surprised that people don't see Jim Tressel as some sort of angelic hot commodity, and that you're stupid if you wouldn't want him to coach your program.  It's hypocritical.

Squirrel Master's picture

uh, I have always wanted Urban Meyer to coach OSU. granted once Tressel retired and not like this but I have never been a hypocrite about this. Personally I blame the programs for the wrong doings more so than the coaches (players even moreso). The programs should monitor their teams. The players should avoid trouble. The coaches in general really are not that bad. They just want to coach the best kids and win.

 

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Bucksfan's picture

Sorry, but I find that sentiment to be ludicrously naive.  The program can't monitor without information.  Tressel had the information and didn't report it.  Then he lied about it.  We've been through this a hundred times.  There is no one else to blame for Tressel's ousting, and this problem of star players getting caught taking improper benefits is a chronic issue dating back to his days at YSU.

The only thing you can blame Ohio State for is not firing him the day this story broke.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, most of us have moved on now, but I guess the UCLA poll gave you a pretext to get back on your high horse and lecture us concerning a man whose positive impact on young people's lives dwarfs that of 99.9999 percent of the adult population. Sounds like you need to drop in on the UCLA fan site more often.   

Bucksfan's picture

What?!  You guys are suggesting UCLA fans are idiots for being skeptical of Jim Tressel.  Who's on the high horse exactly?!

Squirrel Master's picture

uh, the program can monitor with their own information. They don't have to sit and wait for Tressel or any other coach to come along and feed it to them. There are ways of seeing what is going on around you. If they have to get the info from the coach then why the hell is there a compliance office? to sit there and twiddle their thumbs until the coach gives them news? no. they are supposed to look into every aspect of the program that may be concerning rules violations! FACT!

and that still doesn't negate the FACT that I still thought Urban Meyer would be a good coach at OSU way before 2 weeks ago. FACT! and Tressel should get another shot because in reality what he did was not a horrible offense and I will stand by him and whatever program he goes to.

So Bucksfan, be a real fan and stop trying to rain on everyones parade! everyone is trying to point out that Tressel is a good coach. Much better than Neuheisel who did nothing there. even you can't argue with that (at least with sense).

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Bucksfan's picture

You obviously aren't privvy to the details of this case.  And you can take your "real fan" language and shove it up your tailpipe.

Squirrel Master's picture

what, that tressel with held information? that is what he did. but a complaince office should be able to see the problems anyways whether he brought it to him or not. Why do you think the NCAA was looking into this being an institutional problem and not just Tressel. It takes more than one man to cause problems. Tressel didn't cause the tatoo scandal. The players did. He just messed up.

glad you enjoyed the real fan comment. looks like it made quite the impression on you!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

flipbuckeye's picture

Way to make generalized assumptions. I had no objections to Meyer coming to OSU 6 months ago. I honestly didn't know enough about what he did in Florida to talk about his recruits or his reputation.  If you're going to call out "certain posters", refrain from addressing "everyone".

I think we all have acknowledged and accepted that Tressel did wrong, just not to the extent that the article and subsequent comments claim. No one is claiming he is some hot coaching commodity. In fact, I'd rather he not coached anywhere else at the FBS level. I'm selfish like that.

Bucksfan's picture

You being uninformed with regards to Meyer doesn't help your case against my generalization.  Most fans were well-aware of the gritty details of his time at Florida.  So why are you speaking on behalf of them?  A large portion of our fanbase was skeptical of Meyer all off-season.  FACT.

ThirdLegLouie's picture

Why do you insist on speaking on behalf of all BuckeyeNation? i.e. "most fans wouldn't have wanted Meyer six months ago" "most fans are well aware of the gritty details of his time at Florida"... I could say that most fans think you are wrong, but instead, I'll only speak for myself and say that your opinions are wrong.  

 

You would think someone that habitually capitalizes the word "fact" in an effort to drive home a point would actually base their arguments on facts. "Most fanse were well-aware of the gritty details of his time at Florida". Gritty is defined as "Containing or covered with grit;" OR "Showing courage and resolve" Are you trying to say Meyer was a courageous leader with great resolve during his time at Florida. Not sure what you mean due to your poor adjective usage, but, to me, it seems like you are trying to be a sensationalist.

 Here is an interesting read comparing UFM and his players off the field during his tenure at Florida to JT and his Buckeyes off the field during his tenure at tOSU: http://www.ourhonordefend.com/2011/12/urban-week-off-the-field-matters-t...

Meyer and his program was under much more intense media scrutiny at Florida due to well, winning two national championships, dominating the SEC, etc, but the off the field issues that Meyer dealt with were not outside the standard deviation of what occurs at most major college football programs. 

If you ain't a Silver Bullet, you're a target

 
buckeyedude's picture

It's up to 73% last I checked. Would love to see Tressel at UCLA. It would give me a team in the PAC 10 to cheer for.

 
 

RBuck's picture

Not optimistic about Sully playing tomorrow. Baptist wrote that Sully tweeted on Tuesday that he was taking a final with back spasms.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Denny's picture

Quick! Get that man a backiotomy!

Taquitos.

OSUNeedles's picture

Or transplant his ass onto Amir since, apparently, that is were he stores his super powers! Samson can have the hair... We'll take the ass...

Denny's picture

Wonder if Sampson's ass hair had any powers.

Taquitos.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yes, they did. In an obscure story that was relegated to the oral tradition, Delilah supposedly shaved Samson's ass a few weeks before shaving his head. Apparently, Delilah's dastardly deed caused all Judeo-Christian white men thereafter to be cursed - i.e., unable to dance or jump.     

Denny's picture

Well, I certainly learned something today.

Taquitos.

btalbert25's picture

I don't know how many articles made him look that horrible, if anything I think the articles pointed out some questions about Tressel that have always been out there.  Seems like to me there have always been some speculation about how he viewed the rules and his willingness to report violations.  This is stuff that's been following him around since before the Ohio State job, and probably caused him to be, the 4th of 5th choice when he got hired by Ohio State.  There's a good chance, despite many not really knowing who he was, that he'd be higher on the list had there not been trouble at Youngstown. 

He did get a lot of unfair negative publicity on his way out the door, but I don't think anything that was revealed was earth shattering.  They certinaly didn't turn him in to Barry Switzer or anything like that.  All there did was rehash old news really.

BTwrestle04's picture

LOL Did anyone else peruse the comments section of the UCLA blog? You would think Jim Tressel is the worst person since Hitler with all those comments. A program like UCLA can't afford not to hire Jim Tressel if both parties are truly interested. (I don't believe Jim would take the job in any capacity, however)

btalbert25's picture

Would they even be able to hire the guy?  At least hire him without going to the NCAA first and stating their case?  I hope he does land back in the college game somewhere, he is much better suited for college where he can mentor and make a difference to the kids than in the NFL.

BrewstersMillions's picture

The more that comes to light in State College-Additional charges, Sandusky's wife making the militant defense of her husband, the asinine bail amount set showing us that even in light of all of this, PSU still reigns supreme over the great state of PA, etc-the more ridiculous the whole Tressel thing looks. The Legends and Liars T Shirts, the Liar Liar Vest on Fire billboards, the 'article' in SI. It all looks just so damned foolish now. As OSU fans we should all come to expect the same level of hatred most people reserve for the New York Yankees so any expectations of an apology should obviously be tempered. Feel vindicated by all of this though. While people did their best to make OSU's world crumble around it, it just didn't happen. When the NCAA gives us our 'stern talking to' we can smile and know that despite every major media outlets best efforts, we are not a scourge to college football. We are just a team and a school that does a lot of things way better than most everyone else around us. Smile and nod, Buckeyes. The worst of it is over and we truly are vindicated. My only complaint is that the fake outrage OSU invoked hasn't been matched by the real outrage this PSU situation should have elicited. Not to say PSU is getting off easy, they haven't even begun the painful part of this process yet, but people were lining up to dance on JT's grave-seems like most people are treating Joe Pa with some sort of reverence. I hope SbB is right about something-I hope Joe Pa isn't around for another Christmas.

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awwwwwwop's picture

I actually didn't think bail was set that low the second time.  He had to give them two properties as security just to get it and he is clearly not a flight risk since he didnt flee on $100,000 unsecured bond (meaning he didnt have to pay up front).  It does not seem like he has that much money just lying around and there seem to be no other factors ratcheting his bail up.  Its not like he was molesting kids in the interim.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

majesticturkey's picture

Well at least we know the Heisman Trophy will go to probably the best player in the nation (Andrew Luck) or the best RB in the nation (Trent Richardson).

Oh. Wait. Nevermind, it's projected to go to Robert Griffin. Well then, good job every award committee ever except for the Davey O'Brien. You managed to prove why the Heisman is respected and you are not.

OSUNeedles's picture

Well Honey Badger managed to be the best defensive player (Bednarik) but not even the best DB on his team (Thorpe to his teammate Claiborne)... I love college football awards. How about ee just give everybody a medal.

BrewstersMillions's picture

RG3 Should get the award. Most Outstanding player in the country.

4-6 seconds from point A to point B and when you get to point B, be pissed off

Buckeyejason's picture

Why would Tressel go to UCLA anyway..I'm sure he doesn't know the L.A. Area very well for recruiting..which would be vital.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Irricoir's picture

Just read that we had to get a waiver for all the coaches we have for this team now. Meyer and his squad is not allowed to coach, just recruit. SEC fans are already coming up with their excuses in case the Buckeyes hand Florida a loss.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/conversations/_/id/7335111/ohio-state-buckeyes-2-...

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

awwwwwwop's picture

This is just unbelievable.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

RBuck's picture

Old news, Irr.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Irricoir's picture

Look at the time I posted it. I made sure it was done and wasn't linked elsewhere. I beat Buckshots to the punch. Thanks for the possitive comments though.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

BucksfanXC's picture

He meant that OZone had it up like a week ago. But it was new news around here apparently.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

RBuck's picture

Read it in the Dispatch over a week ago. I know you beat Buckshots though.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Any of the 11W crew know if there's any truth to the rumor that Herman has been hired as OC as well? 

Luke's picture

Tom Dienhart is super late on everything but he's ordinarily very accurate. I haven't heard it from anywhere else though so until then I'm assuming that he jumped a few logical hurdles or his "Iowa State source" wasn't 100% accurate.

BuckeyeChris's picture

Also, 11W staff... any word on when (finally.......................................) the NCAA is going to descend from upon high with their sanctions?

RBuck's picture

Not staff...but I believe the COI meets Monday the 12th. Hammer usually seems to fall on Friday, atl east in OSU's case.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

RBuck's picture

Correction. They're meeting today and possibly tomorrow to discuss tOSU's case. OSU isn't represented because they agree with the facts

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

zrclark2's picture

Tom Dienhart tweeted this morning that Herman will be Offensive Coordinator and QB Coach, is this true?  Does this mean the Studawara possibility is old news?

timdogdad's picture

i forgot about the tressel billboard.  i can see articles on line and blogs by these clowns but how much did the billboard cost?  the materials, manhours? who funded it? who has time or money for that?  unreal!!  lets put one up on 480 in cleveland saying brady hoke is flounder and detroit sucks.   

NC_Buckeye's picture

I've been reading BSD for comments on the COP/C Statement regarding the Penn State scandal. Particularly disturbing among the comments seems to be a significant reactionary thread on the order of: "Screw the Big Ten. It's time we moved on to greener pastures in the ACC." After 20 years, we're back to this sentiment. Really?

I have some family connections in Central PA. When PSU was admitted to the Big Ten, I heard from a lot of cousins that the only thing that would change for Penn State -- now they'd have to get used to going to the Rose Bowl every year. (The fact that they were serious and not joking was a source of bemusement for me, BTW.) After the harsh reality set in that PSU was not going to dominate its new league, I remember encountering this greener patures motif from my relatives. Many had adopted the attitude that PSU didn't fit in very well in the Big Ten and probably should be in the Big East. Of course that talk stopped once the Big Ten Network cash cow started. And now, post-Sandusky, apparently some PSU supporters have gone back to the "we're not a real good fit there" attitude.

Personally I think the COP/C is trying to give notice to ALL league members that their actions reflect on all member institutions and thereby setup some monitoring mechanisms and a preventative framework. That's all that I think this is. AND I think the presidents had tOSU in mind (with our recent troubles) as much as PSU when they drafted this statement. IMO it's not posturing or a "let's pile on" move by the COP/C.

I really didn't care if PSU left the Big Ten before. But now it would really suck as far as football and especially hockey.

onetwentyeight's picture

I don't know if that's the case anymore. I'm not one of those "KICK THEM OUT!!11" people but I think that you have to honestly assess the impact this whole thing has had on the B1G's reputation. 

I posted this on the poll, but every time Sandusky is hauled out in front of the cameras wearing a PENN STATE jacket or something, that school's reputation takes a HUGE hit, deservedly or not. At some point, you gotta realize if they begin to drag the entire conference down you might have to cut them off for the greater good (ie for OSU's good). I don't think it's reached that point yet, but who knows how much more covered-up sh!t will still come out of that Happy Valley hellhole, how long this trial will drag on, and all the nasty after effects of it. 

Plus, it would be ignorant of us to ignore the fact that already both of PSU's ESPNU150 recruits have either de-committed or are looking elsewhere. They're done as a football powerhouse for the forseeable future and it may be wrong and cynical of the B1G to punish the whole school for what a few ppl did but like I said, if they begin to drag us down with them and aren't contributing anything in return ... then ... tough decisions have to be made.

Squirrel Master's picture

Anyone else waiting for the day its announced Bollman is no longer associated with Ohio State? It will be like X-mas after X-mas. too bad they don't play till Jan. 2nd. would have made my holiday!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

theDuke's picture

I think, and i may be wrong on this, but if PSU is kicked out we will not have enough teams to qualify for a Conf.Champ.game. That would be BIG deal as far as B10 goes. Litterally like taking 1 step forward and 5 back. But then it could make for some more interesting conference realignment talk...

theDuke

Menexenus's picture

Kicking Penn State out of the Big Ten is a terrible idea!  Even publicly discussing it as a possible option is a terrible idea!

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Qujo's picture

Where do I send my money for the billboard?

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck