Thursday Skull Session

By Jeremy Birmingham on November 10, 2011 at 6:00a
88 Comments

Wow. 

Sometimes, there isn't that much to say. What a miserable few days for the sports world in general and college football specifically.

As 2010 ended, it appeared the sports world was spiraling out of control. Each day seemed to bring one more example of athletes run amok.  There were sex scandals that included the world’s greatest golfer (Tiger Woods), the NFL’s poster-child (Brett Favre) and a Super Bowl MVP (Ben Roethlisberger). We had Heisman trophies being vacated, wannabe NCAA championship front-runners shopping for players for a chance in the spotlight, and our own beloved Buckeyes tattoo-troubles.

On January 12th of this year, Julie Foudy, the former US Olympian soccer player and now TV analyst, penned a column for ESPN with this headline:

“Let 2011 be scandal-less, not scandalous”

The wish for a more serene 2011 was a logical one, given all that 2010 gave us. Unfortunately, 2011 has provided us even more heartbreak than 2010. 

Jim Tressel resigned in disgrace, the NFL threatened a lock-out before coming together at the last hour, and the “U” upped the ante on NCAA infractions.  Oregon paid $25,000 for two-year old recruiting tapes, Boise State broke NCAA rules for impermissible benefits, LSU did too, and they didn't stop there, or there.The NBA has cancelled the first month of their season (Ok, so one good thing happened this year), and to top it all off, the disgusting situation that is currently unfolding at Penn State.

 

I love sports. I love the fuel of competition and the drive for success.  I love the desire to dominate your opponent, to stand victorious against long odds.

Above all, the thing about athletics that I love the most was that it revealed character and strength when most people would be breaking down mentally, physically and emotionally. 

Sadly, I don’t know if I love sports anymore. The fanaticism that has long given sports its power in the national conscience has now led to so many who are involved in them to feel untouchable and entitled. The confidence needed to be a successful athlete has morphed into an out-of-control arrogance that belies the common man who eats, sleeps and breathes the team colors. The money and fame that come with on the field success has blinded so many formerly great men who turn their backs on morality for victories and power.

Where do we go from here? I just don't know.

LAST THING ON PENN STATE SITUATION. When the Jim Tressel story broke, there were few fan-bases who stood behind the Ohio State coach and the Buckeye football program, and Penn State was certainly no different. Every columnist and sophomore journalism student in American went over Tressel's situation, which has been unfortunately compared to the crimes in Happy Valley, with a fine-toothed comb, eager to point out the perceived disconnect between JT's public persona and his cutthroat, win-at-all-costs alter-ego. This particular article displays some of that holier-than-thou vitriol that was so prevalent, and it underscores to me why celebrating the failures of others is almost never the correct position to take.

Another "Nittany, no!" moment that popped up on the interwebz yesterday, was this photo - celebrating the moral highground that was so often a safe-harbor for Penn State's recruiting ship. While it seems that this bulletpoint will remain factual, it is interesting to note that if the NCAA wanted to address the issue at Penn State (which I don't think they should, or that they will) that they may have a by-law with which to proceed.

This entire situation is tragic, and for Penn State, all they can hope for at this point is for it to end quickly.

CRAFT-ING A REPUTATION. Anyone who watched the Ohio State men's basketball team play last year probably can identify with the sentiment I am about to express. A sentiment that is both a bit creepy and yet totally justifiable.

I love Aaron Craft. I love him so, so,much.

Sports Illustrated feels the same, apparently. In a glowing article that begins with the verbiage "The Legend of Aaron Craft", SI waxes poetic about #4's affinity for being a defensive nuisance. Among the most interesting stats: Of the possessions that Craft was playing defense for Ohio State, 32.9% of them ended with the opposition turning the ball over.

My favorite Aaron Craft moment last year was against Michigan State when he ran down a loose ball that ended in a Buckeye basket, changing momentum in a game that was huge for Sparty.  Of course, the second best moment in 2011 for Craft got a bit more publicity.

Too terrific to not post on the internet for a second time

BUCKEYES INJURY UPDATES. When JB Shugarts went down midway through the third quarter of last week's game against Indiana, it looked as if the senior right tackle had sustained a pretty serious leg injury. It appears that the injury is not that serious, but it is still unlikely that JB will play this weekend against Purdue. Freshman Antonio Underwood took reps with the number ones at RT, sharing some time with Jack Mewhort and Marcus Hall. With a huge battle against Penn State looming, I would expect Shugarts to sit unless he's 100% this weekend so he can rest up and be ready for senior day in the 'Shoe next week. The running game didn't miss a beat when Underwood took over for Shugarts, and the staff is very confident in Big 'Tone's aptitude in the pass-blocking schemes.

Jordan Hall, who missed last week's game against the Hoosiers with an ankle injury should be ready to get back on the field this week for Ohio State, an important piece of the puzzle against Purdue, who allows over 27 yard per kick return on the season. Hall, who was replaced by Devin Smith in the return game last weekend, has been terrific returning kicks for the Buckeyes, averaging over 30 yards per opportunity.

Most importantly for the Buckeyes, Braxton Miller, who suffered a hip-pointer against Indiana, showed no lingering effects and will be ready to go against Purdue's 92nd ranked run defense.

COACHING SITUATION CONTINUES TO MUDDLE RECRUITING. There are a lot of talking points that get bantered about regarding Ohio State, the NCAA, coaching searches, etc. Many people are quick to comment that Ohio State's "difficulties" with the NCAA are the reason that this year's recruiting class, which had the potential to be among the best in Buckeye history, has been derailed by looming sanctions and negative recruiting by the Incredible Hoke and his ilk. The NCAA situation being what it is, the indecision and confusion about the Ohio State coaching situation has to be the issue that is affecting recruiting the most.

Canton Glen Oak tailback Bri'onte Dunn, a five-star back who has been anything but steady in his commitment to Ohio State, continues to flirt with other schools, and his affection for the curent staff could be a primary reason. Other players, like Alex Kozan and Jordan Diggs, a DB from Florida, would prefer that the current staff remain in place, so we hear.

Of course, Urban Meyer would likely have his own recruiting targets and a number of players would probably prefer to play for him, as well.

Ohio State may have their hand forced if Penn State gets proactive in their targeting of Urban; and that combined with the NCAA delays might put Meyer in a much better bargaining position.

QUICK SLANTS. With all the negativity and sadness that surrounds sports, it's important to celebrate the good news...This is sort of awesome, if you like awesome sorts of things...Here's another view of the Kirk Herbstreit in an earthquake video...make it bacon and we'll talk. UCF learns from Oregon on how to leak negative sports stories, namely, wait until someone else is embroiled in something far worse.  Speaking of worse, here's Notre Dame's helmet for this weekend.

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Abe Froman's picture

ESPN reporting Paterno fired.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

Abe Froman's picture

I guess I shouldn't have went to bed.  Sorry for the non-news update everyone.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

gwalther's picture

Lol. Hilarious. You must've been pumped to post that first too.

Class of 2008

Abe Froman's picture

Why not go PB&J on the vodka?  They stopped half way and that is just lazy.

Basking in the wake of mediocrity.....

flipbuckeye's picture

Makes room for mixing. I know there are strawberry and grape vodkas out there.

Or mix with a choc liqueur to make a "buckeye".

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

just a heads up for those in the dark:
http://bakonvodka.com/

 

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

GoBucks713's picture

Gene Smith and Gordon Gee could learn something from John Surma. That guy held one of the best press conferences I've seen in a long time. Well done Mr. Surma.

-The Aristocrats!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Whoa...glad to see at least one PSU student say he was embarrassed by the behavior.

Can't put myself in their shoes, but I don't think I could defend someone who didn't do more give the circumstances. I would like to think I would want the immediate removal of anyone involved.

Nice to see we have depth on the o line. I'm concerned about the Purdue game given how we've let teams hang around.

When do the basketball breakdowns start? Didn't you guys do that for each game last year?

SaintTressel's picture

"I love sports. I love the fuel of competition and the drive for success.  I love the desire to dominate your opponent, to stand victorious against long odds.

Above all, the thing about athletics that I love the most was that it revealed character and strength when most people would be breaking down mentally, physically and emotionally.

Sadly, I don’t know if I love sports anymore"

 

I'll take that bait. "sports" is just a reflection of the world around you. A world that, on the whole, has done nothing but improve throughout the history of mankind. Is wrongdoing more heavily (like a gajillion times) publicized now then in the past? Certainly. But don't let that trick you into thinking the world, or sports, has become more evil then it ever was.
 

Pam's picture

To Quote John Wooden

"Sports do not build character, they reveal it"

Hoody Wayes's picture

Wednesday, November 9, 2011
Big Ten statement on Penn State scandal
By Adam Rittenberg

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany on Wednesday issued a statement on the scandal that has embroiled Penn State and its athletic program.

Delany's full statement reads:
The entire situation is so sad. There is anger, confusion, and heartache on the part of many. First and foremost, our hearts go out to all those whose lives have been negatively impacted by this series of events, particularly the young victims and their families.
We hear new information on an hourly basis and recognize that there is still much to be determined. We will wait until the Board of Trustees draws its final conclusions on personnel matters before commenting on such matters ourselves.
Additionally, the Board is appointing a Special Committee to undertake a full investigation of the circumstances that gave rise to the Grand Jury report, and the Grand Jury investigation is ongoing. We will wait until these two entities have drawn their conclusions before we draw any of our own on the investigation and therefore have no further comment at this time.

No mention of Penn State coach Joe Paterno in the statement. The Big Ten clearly has decisions to make regarding any potential action against Paterno and Penn State. It also will weigh whether to keep Paterno's name on the Big Ten championship trophy.

cronimi's picture

If the B1G was comfortable naming the coach of the year award in honor of a coach who punched an opposing player during a bowl game, I think they'll keep the Paterno name on the championship trophy (not that Joe Pa deserved that honor in the first place, but that's another issue altogether). 

BigBuck623's picture

I don't see how anyone could support Paterno for one second.  Not one.

100% of those Penn State students need to have their head checked.

Are you freaking kidding me? Rioting to defend someone who covered up such a heinous crime?

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

How did JoePa cover it up?  By telling his superiors in accordance with PA state law?  I think he made a mistake in not doing more, but you seem to think he was in on all of this - he wasn't.

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Scott K's picture

Guess we'll never know, or mabye we will.

He failed in his moral obligation to call the police.  Even if he was told they were "horsing around" and not the grim details, how could the detail of they were naked in a shower be left out? He failed in his moral obligation to inform the police when his superiors at PSU failed to do anything about it.  The head of the Penn State Troopers has even come out and said the same.  Yes he fulfilled his legal minimum by informing his boss.  Is that all you would have done if faced with the same decision?

Remember this is a man who preached "winning with honor". 

This whole thing reeks of so much coverup it is almost sureal.  That is why the board of trustees is cleaning house.

 

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I do understand the whole moral obligation thing and I think hindsight presents that much easier than present time.  Still, everyone knows that he should have done more.  I can understand why the PSU BOT did what they did, but I would have let him leave on his terms given what he has done and given back to PSU.  

My whole problem with this is that many are crucifying JoePa, and very few acknowledge that other people had information about Sandusky that they could have brought forth.  In fact, JoePa was one of the few people involved in this whole scandal that actually communicated that there might be a problem with him - granted he told the wrong people.  What about the guy who saw it all?  Don't you think we should cricify him as well?  What about the mother who met with Sandusky when he admitted that he shouldn't have showered naked with her son?  A 50 year old showering with your 10 year old and admitting to it?  Shouldn't we crucify her too?  What about people familiar with Sandusky's organization?  Don't you think they saw things?  Why is it that once the story breaks, everyone comes forward with all this information and instead of saying "Well, shit, why didn't you speak up before?," we say "You see, JoePa, this is all your fault!"  Again, he was the only one to advance his knowledge of the situation and yet people are crucifying him.  

Maybe there are details that we don't know yet - there probably are and as they surface, I think we should be able to change our minds.  

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btalbert25's picture

McQueary and the other guy who witnessed it also advanced the information up to their superiors.  When it was put back on the other guy he didn't report it because he was affraid of losing his job.  The problem I have with EVERYONE who knew about this stuff, is that they continued to work with the man.  They continued to let the man come on campus.  The man still had an office at Penn State this week.  He was on campus last week.  How can all of these people live with themselves just enabling this monster all these years?  That's what they did.  They worked beside him and saw him for years, knowing what he did and they just did nothing about it.  Sorry, they did do something, they said he wasn't allowed on campus with little boys.  Great job fellas.

In my opinion everyone involved should be crucified.  He's being charged with 40 counts of the crime.  That's 40 times, or 40 kids he's molested.  That's of incidents that were brought forward.  Penn State folks first knew something wasn't right back in 1998.  That's 13 years of ignoring what this bastard was doing.  EVERYONE at that university who had any knowledge should be shit canned and their name should be drug through the mud.  Even if it is Joe Pa.  Lord only knows how many kids suffered through this abuse in the last 13 years.  It all could've been stopped a long time ago.  Instead everyone put their head in the sand, and allowed this man to keep doing what he was doing.  Why?  To protect the Penn State Brand.  So, basically i'm not buying the excuse of well, he did what he was supposed to. 

btalbert25's picture

Also, for what it's worth, a lot of us were piling on McQueary pretty hard yesterday.  Last night on ESPN radio, the guy running the show was very angry about the whole situation and basically when on a 10 minute rant about McQueary.  Basically, saying he was a 28 year old man who witnessed a kid being raped and he walked away and continued to let it happen.  What kind of person does that?  His first inclination was to call his dad and ask what he should do.  Not make sure the kid wasnt in the shower anymore with that creep, not beat the hell ot of the creep.  He left and left that kid behind.  People can say you don't know what you'd do in that situation, and you're right I don't know.  What I don't know though is, would I have killed the pedofile or just beat him within inches of his life in that shower?  I sure know what I wouldn't do in that situation, and that's turn my back and leave to let that continue happening.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

You exacty right.  From what I've seen, it's been Paterno's name dragged through the mud.  Yes, he made a mistake by not taking this further but there were so many other people involved that I have a hard time with what seems to me to be the singling out of JoePa.  He was at fault, but who knows how many others there were that could have brought this up.  Because he's a big name, I think he serving as the media scapegoat.  I am not defending him from his actions, but I  do think he is being unfairly singled out as the one person who could have prevented some of this.  He could have done something, but there were countless others.  We don't have enough fingers to point in this case and we need to remember that.  That is my main point.  I'm glad to see that some can realize this.

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btalbert25's picture

Ya know, the Penn State fans have always gone on and on about how Joe Pa was not the face of Penn State, Joe Pa was Penn State.  So when something like this happens, and it comes out that he could have put a stop to it, plus his preaching of values and winning with honor and all that, of course he's going to be quite a target of the media.

BigBuck623's picture

McQueary's reaction isn't unexpected, and the ESPN radio guy is completely oblivious.  McQueary's dad was a tall 280-lb guy who was out-of-control with his own rage - so much so that nobody in the neighborhood wanted to be on McQueary's little league team because they didn't want to have to deal with that dude.  McQueary probably hasn't dealt with his own issues regarding that - I'd imagine he actually feels powerless towards older authority figures, which would explain running out of the locker room.  So I certainly wouldn't expect McQueary to "do something about it" - rather, he reported it to JoePa as required.

Here's my point.

If JoePa was HALF the father and leader he claims to be, he would have fired the guy instantly and made 100% sure that dude went straight to jail.  Instead, JoePa covered it up.  Yes, the president has responsibility; yes, the board.. etc etc.. but ultimately, JoePa was God incarnate on that campus, and if JoePa wanted something, JoePa got it.

741's picture

My point of view is even if one might be afraid to physically intervene to stop the rape of a child, anyone can run to a phone and dial 9-1-1. How did that not occur in this situation?!!

AltaBuck's picture

Las Vegas East (What happens in Happy Valley...Stays in Happy Valley)

I really think that the environment in the program was one of fear. Fear of losing one's job which was part of the Janitor's testimony (they thought the guy was going to have a heart attack from what he saw and the possibility of losing his job along with his crew). And fear of tarnishing their image, Mcqueary not intervening when he witnessed the crime or contacting the police.

Why would the people involve have this fear? Because for JoePa and the program(Ie- the recruiting letter) he built, their image superseded anything else and Sandusky was part of that image. McQueary went to JoePa because JoePa was the only person that could make that kind of a decision since it would have a direct, negative impact on that image. Everyone involved knew at that time that Sandusky was revered and JoePa's friend. It may be the reason why the AD and VP did nothing. It would not surprise me. But again, the actions of the individuals back in 2002 and before are more substantial versus what we are hearing now. Meetings that were scheduled immediately after McQueary contacted JoePa, located at JoePa's home and involving the AD and the VP of Finance, who also supervised the university police. Following those meetings, the lame ass decision to tell Sandusky not to bring kids onto campus. This is why I don't buy any of this lack of detail crap. They knew and they covered it up at the expense of children.  I'm sorry for JoePa, because I know the guy has done a ton for the school and the community, but he, and the others involved, are getting exactly what they deserve.

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

klfeck's picture

Ditto, and don't forget about the Janitor who witnessed a sex act.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

WMBuckeye's picture

My question is why are they accepting Curley's administrative leave..shouldn't he be fired also if they are cleaning house? From the grad assistant and up that had "some" knowledge of these incidents should be out of the school period. Makes you wonder what exactly has been covered up over there in State College.

Proud to be a Buckeye in SEC territory...Long Live the Vest!!
Class of 2003 OSU/ATI "Where the men are men, women are few and the sheep are scared.."

William's picture

I still have a huge problem with that. So JoePa merely passes the information so that he doesn't have to do anything else. That is spineless and immoral. He, McQueary and McQueary's father all stood there and did nothing when nothing more wasn't done to prevent Sandusky from possibly further raping or abusing other children. Their inaction is just as damning as Sandusky's action. Also no one has yet to explain why Sandusky was so abruptly "forced" into retirement and still given full access to all PSU facilities, he even had an office on campus. There is much more to this story. 

WMBuckeye's picture

Just these few "facts" coming out could be the tip of the iceberg. The allegations alone are damning, just makes you wonder what else will be uncovered.

 

Another issue that bothers me is the NCAA asking for the victims. Personally, I don't think any of the families need to be paraded through the NCAA investigations. Let the correct authorities (police, children services, etc.) do the investigations and they can pass on correlating information to the NCAA. The victims have suffered enough without having to deal with the fidiots of NCAA or the media.

Proud to be a Buckeye in SEC territory...Long Live the Vest!!
Class of 2003 OSU/ATI "Where the men are men, women are few and the sheep are scared.."

BED's picture

Good point just mentioned on the radio by a State Penner:  the VP JoePa reported to was head of the campus police.  So perhaps everyone's too quick to judge him on "not reporting to the police."

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

flipbuckeye's picture

I think people are more up in arms about him not using his pull to handle the situation himself. He did what he was legally obligated to do, but not much more beyond that. He even acknowledged as much.

BED's picture

Agree 100% Flip.  Just pointing out something to consider.

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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

btalbert25's picture

what really gets me about it though, is that they all knew what the guy was doing and kept their mouths shut for 13 years.  They'd still be silent if it weren't for this grand jury stuff coming out.  I'm sorry but any one of them, especially Joe Pa could've just said my God, why are we still protecting this scumbag, and come forward at any time.

Maestro's picture

The 2002 incident was just one in a long line of incidents.  If you read the grand jury testimony it is full of the accounts of the vicitims and most of them were subjected to Sandusky's abuse while he was still a coach at PSU.  He would bring these boys to home games, tailgates, Bowl games, the locker room.  All of this in plain sight of the rest of the coaching staff.  SERIOUSLY?  NO ONE WAS SUSPICIOUS?  Not suspicious of a 50+ year old who always had various boys sleeping over, staying at the team hotel with him, etc. etc. etc.  They all looked the other way and let this happen for years and years.

The 1998 incident that the University Police investigated was almost assuredly reported to Joe Pa.  Why else would Sandusky have been made to "retire" so soon afterwards.  A flat out admission by Sandusky that he had been naked in the PSU showers with a young boy and that he had "maybe" touched the boys genitals.  Like I said, everyone who was even remotely close to Jerry Sandusky while he was at PSU knew what was happening and chose to look away instead of stopping it.

vacuuming sucks

RBuck's picture

If Sandusky did take those poor kids to bowl games and crossed state lines, the FBI will get involved...then everything will come out in the open. No where to hide.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Maestro's picture

Victim 4 in the report traveled to the Outback and Alamo Bowl with the team.

Sandusky had these kids staying with him on trips, on campus, at his house.  The relationships with several young boys were very much out in the open.

vacuuming sucks

Bucks's picture

Unreal night. That presser was pretty intense at moments. I saw comments that some people made it in at the presser who weren't media. Was this quite a few or just a couple?

I cannot wait for BBall season! Buildup always bugs me but in this case, I'm really ok with it. This team is going to be dominate.

Indiana was turbulent at times but I was most concerned with the injury game. Hope J.B. is healed up fast.

I'd love to see the finality of this NCAA crap but I can see notification of the sanctions coming on the Friday of Meechicken week.

slippy's picture

Jeremy, google is your friend.

 

http://bakonvodka.com/

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

damn youuuuz ::shaky fist:: did see this before i posted above lol...The stuff is delicious

 

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

BucksfanXC's picture

So here are my thoughts on JoePa:

If someone comes to him and says, exactly and specifically, "I just saw somebody raping a boy" he HAS to call the cops. On the other end of the spectrum, if someone comes to him and says, "I just saw something fishy, what should we do?" I believe that a completely appropriate response would be to pass it up the chain of command. Somewhere in between those two statements is the line of take it to the cops. Now I know that what McQuery said to JoePa probably was closer to the first statement, and I think it was probably across the call the cops side of the line. But honestly, I don't know for sure, because I wasn't there when they spoke, and I don't know what they told him.

But it seems this was not the first time Joe had heard something about Jerry Sandusky and therefore, even something closer to 'something fishy' statements suddenly becomes a call the cops scenario.  It seems that there were several investigations and yet people in charge did nothing to step in and remove Sandusky from power, access to children, and quite frankly the general public.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

builderofcoalitions's picture

I seem to remember State Penn having trouble keeping players out of trouble with the law and that's in State College where I'm sure the good ol' boy network is strong. So, when PSU brags about not being investigated by the NCAA, I throw up a little in my mouth. Now, this happens and no PSU fan can ever stand on moral high ground again. They are Penn State or something.

Because we couldn't go for three.

BED's picture

All I got out of that injury report is that there will be approximately 500% fewer false start penalties.

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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

JLP36's picture

hopefully he damaged some fast twitch muscle fibers that will render unable to start falsely in the future

JLP36

Miller's picture

+1,000

AT LEAST 500% fewer. Is it wrong of me to wish Shugarts well, but be glad he's not starting? I swear, as a line coach, it is everything I can do not to throw something through my TV every single game. Sometimes I wish he'd just do it on the first play from scrimmage, just to get it out of the way.

Unfortunately, false starts are Pringles to that kid, and he can't have JUST ONE...

BED's picture

Unfortunately, false starts are Pringles to that kid, and he can't have JUST ONE...

HAHAHAHAHA.

+50,000

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The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Buckeyejason's picture

Best post of the day. Putting Norwell at RT will be an upgrade IMO.

BUCKEYES BABY!

DarthSweaterVest's picture

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe we actually had zero false start penalties against the Hoosiers.  First time in a long while if so.

BED's picture

Because FS JB Shugarts went out early.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Miller's picture

Shugarts went out early in that game, didn't he? QED...

 

BED's picture

Shugarts usually shoots for 3rd Quarter long drives to ruin, I think.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

Miller's picture

Yeah, he usually holds off until the most inopportune time...

btalbert25's picture

I'm actually very suprised that Penn State chose to use the word Fired with Joe Pa.  I figured he would've been "suspended" til the end of the season, after which he would retire as planned. 

Bucksfan's picture

Another heartbreaking sports event this year was losing 2-time Indy 500 winner Dan Wheldon in a crash.  Not necessarily scandalous, but very rare and very sad.

klfeck's picture

I have been extremely busy but wanted to share this. My daughter who is a Jr at OSU sent it to me today.

 

http://theschoolphilly.com/2011/11/09/letter-from-an-osu-fan-to-penn-state-fans/

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

buckeyechad's picture

got that off OffTackleEmpire.com   awesome Big 10 blog. my second stop usually after my 11w fix 

WMBuckeye's picture

Great read! Especially like the ending. Thank you for sharing!

Proud to be a Buckeye in SEC territory...Long Live the Vest!!
Class of 2003 OSU/ATI "Where the men are men, women are few and the sheep are scared.."

awwwwwwop's picture

An excerpt from the Oregon releases:   "The records show that Kelly and Lyles had four conversations between January and April this year. Kelly had a 12-minute call with Lyles on Feb. 17; less than 90 minutes later, Lyles e-mailed Oregon some recruiting files, documents released by the UO earlier this year show.

Lyles told Yahoo in July that Oregon coaches had “scrambled” in February and wanted him to send the recruiting profiles retroactively.

[running back coach] Campbell and Lyles spoke 22 times during the same four-month period at the beginning of this year, including a six-minute call on Feb. 17."

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

Buckeye06's picture

I know the PSU thing is the big issue, but from a football perspective, since life still goes on, what are the recruiting impacts?

And I care as much about all the horror at PSU as anyone, but that is going to take years to figure out

awwwwwwop's picture

Ask and you shall receive from the WWL in deception or spin or SEC or whatever http://espn.go.com/blog/bigten/post/_/id/38184/psu-commits-react-to-joep...

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I want to know how and why Mike Mcquery (or however you spell it) saw such a meteoric rise from graduate assistant to being a very high ranking coordinator in so few years......

I absolutely hate to think that it has something to do with this horrible coverup, but I can't help but think it played a roll.

Sick. Sick. Sick.

I don't pray much, don't know what I really believe, but I'm praying for those poor kids.....

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Buckeyejason's picture

Just curious, if you don't know what you believe and don't pray very much what makes you want to pray for this situation?

You must "believe" if you are getting the sensation or spiritualism to pray for these poor kids during this crisis. Praying is a good thing brother, don't be afraid of it.

The preaching is over :)

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ih8rolltyde's picture

Dude, I'm not gonna say my real response to that questioning because I don't wanna step on anyone's toes or offend anyone who comes to this site.  My religious views (or lack thereof) are inconsequential to this story.

I was merely trying to say how bad i feel for those kids, and how i'm rooting for their lives to come out as good as possible given the unfortunate beginning they endured through no fault of their own.

I have a horrible amount of hatred and disdain for anyone who had reasonable suspicion to believe children were being raped by one of the most recognizable figures in the community and didn't do enough to stop it or make sure it didn't happen to any more kids.

I don't care what "chain of command" rules anyone followed, or what legal implications anyone faces.  Because, at very least, more children were raped by this monster because these people didn't do enough.

And McQuery still has a job.

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I want to know how and why Mike Mcquery (or however you spell it) saw such a meteoric rise from graduate assistant to being a very high ranking coordinator in so few years......

 

I absolutely hate to think that it has something to do with this horrible coverup, but I can't help but think it played a roll.

 

I can't help but think similar thoughts.  Did McQuery report the shower thing to JoPa?  Or was it someone else?  If he reported this, and then did nothing about it when nothing really happened, why isn't he accountable too?  Did he use this as leverage to get where he is?  Ugly mess.

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The Penn State people in my office are up in arms over this exact point! Why does McQuery have his job/position??

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BED's picture

He still has a job?!?!?!

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Proud to be a Buckeye in SEC territory...Long Live the Vest!!
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BED's picture

Terrible.

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BuckeyeSaab's picture

Meanwhile at ESPN they still have Ohio State on the brain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GeDCdhrppoc

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Buckeyejason's picture

I think we'll being hearing about a Sandusky suicide on the news very soon.

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Speaking of, in a distantly related question, why do we put people on suicide watch?  We bitch and moan about jail overcrowding and the taxes and debt we have that partially goes towards criminal rehabilitation and/or habitation.  Yet, when someone as sick as this guy wants to take himself out, we won't let him?  As far as I'm concerned, don't put him on suicide watch, let him do what he wants....  Could save a lot of people a lot of time, money, energy, and unwelcomed re-creation of experiences and events.

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onetwentyeight's picture

I think it has a lot to do with the justice system we have and how we want even people like Sandusky to have their day in court, not b/c he might be innocent necessarily, but b/c its a public reckoning of justice and for many of these victims they deserve having this monster tried and put away in a court of law - it's the least we could do for them. They need to be able to see with their very own eyes how he is going to pay for his actions (however late and usless it may be now ... )

If he chickens out and kills himself in a way you're sort of letting him 'cheat' justice and you also frankly cheat the victims of a great deal of closure imo. 

 

 

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I see what you're saying.  Death is the ultimate justice in my opinion.  

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flipbuckeye's picture

At whose hand? If Sandusky himself 'wants' death, then I wish him 100 more years of life (in prison, of course).

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

suicide, right..... <wink wink>

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OSU SELF IMPOSES 5 SCHOLARSHIP LOSS IN RESPONSE TO CHARITYGATE.

 

Edit - Source. Heard on WTVN.

 

Edit 2 - 11W is on it.  For all you non-twitterers.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

What is worse is that they acknowledged "failure to monitor" charges.  We just leveled up in NCAA violations and opened new doors for punishment, maybe they'll see 5 scholarships as enough.  After scholarship losses, we're looking at a bowl ban or worse, and that would certainly cause a drop off in the football program.  

Not going to say we didn't deserve it, but was hoping to avoid scholarship losses and bowl ban.

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BED's picture

A bowl ban would be horseshit.  No reason for it.  USC only got 2 years for actively impeding the investigation.

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RBuck's picture

Just read that the NCAA isn't going to even consider this until Dec. 10. This is going to drag into Jan or Feb and ruin recruiting.

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BED's picture

Yeah, so also, no bowl ban this year, in any event.  Might f*** up our MNC run next year.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

If OSU is smart and they put a bowl ban on us, we back out of whatever bowl we make...non-BCS of course - although, if we go to a BSC bowl, we'll probably get embarassed and I would prefer to back of that too, but the $$ is too good.

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BED's picture

I doubt ruling will be made in time.  They aren't considering our most recent response until Dec. 10.

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Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

We should just go ahead and ban ourselves from a bowl game this year.

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BED's picture

Fire Gene Smith today.  New compliance department, new AD = no FTM.  I still think we can skirt the charge, since it was just 1 booster at issue.

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William's picture

This is utter horsesh*t. What has the NCAA done about the Miami situation so far? Say that they are investigating the matter and looking into it?

BED's picture

And the Lantern fails at reporting, yet again.

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flipbuckeye's picture

Bracing myself for the gray box.

BED's picture

I was frankly shocked when it wasn't there.  That's why I posted.

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BED's picture

Over/under on this usurping State Penn as the top story on ESPiN tonight?

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Jeremy Birmingham's picture

There is obviously a chance that the NCAA would institute a post-season ban, but I don't think it's a very good chance. The FTM thing makes it a bit more realistic, but even at that, I would be shocked if they do it.

Ohio State is requesting that the NCAA respond by the end of November so that IF OSU qualifies for and earns a B1G title berth, they will be ready to go. 

I would assume the NCAA will comply with that request.