Your MSU Vent Thread

By Sarah on October 1, 2011 at 6:47p
185 Comments
Yep, pretty much.

So, uh, ugh. And *puke*. And $kljdfsdf@&%^hlakhfd!

Vent away, my fellow Buckeyes. Vent about the offense that's so anemic, Dracula wouldn't even be interested. Vent about Bollman's play-calling that's even worse. Vent about the nine sacks (that's it?) the Michigan State defense totaled. Vent about Howard Island being more of a nightmare than The Island of Doctor Moreau. Vent about Ohio State avoiding their first shut out at home since 1982 by ten seconds. 

Just vent to each other, not at each other. We could all use a little kindness.  

And hey, the defense played pretty well overall! And there was still a chance for them to win it at the very end. So there's that. 

Now I'm waiting for a text from my brother, the Michigan State grad in 3...2...1...

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Blake's picture

I get annoyed just merely looking at Bauserman.

bucknut3011's picture

I was wondering if it was just me.... and Bollman, too.

RBuck's picture

To top things off, you stole my avatar!

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

headina's picture

seriously. your telling me that miller was the offense's problems? how about JB "false start" Shugarts and the rest of the O line giving no time to pass, Bollman's ATROCIOUS play calling that a 4 year old could predict, and receivers that can't get through a jam in press coverage. I am sorry I am a buckeye and I respect Fickell and his history with the bucks, but I think its time to clean house. You can't expect to win when every drive starts with 2 blasts up the middle at least one penalty and a 3 and 18 with a 4 yard check down. I am proud of the D, they are so young and playing tough.

GO BUCKS

joel121270's picture

In my 40 years of being a Buckeye fan I have NEVER seen someone false start each and every game the way Shugarts does? Seriously? What is with this cat and the false starts? He needs to just go out there on the first play from scrimmage of the game and get it out of the way, maybe then, just maybe, he will be solid the rest of the game....MAYBE!

BuckeyeChief's picture

Luke Pettigout formerly of the Giants was that way.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Its a sad day in Buckeye land when Joe Bauserman gives us a better chance of winning

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

Buckeye in Illini country's picture

Granted, its not just B. Miller's fault.  Our overall offense (playcalling for sure) is pathetic.

Columbus to Pasadena: 35 hours.  We're on a road trip through the desert looking for strippers and cocaine... and Rose Bowl wins!

headina's picture

see above

GO BUCKS

Buckeye in Athens's picture

I had to get text updates on my phone - why was Braxton removed from the game? What happened to our supposedly awesome o-line that gave up so many sacks?

Menexenus's picture

What happened to *their* supposedly awful o-line?

Real fans stay for Carmen.

BuckeyeChris's picture

There is no excuse. None for this offense. OSU recruits 4 and 5 star players and they looked like Kent State today. Hats off to the defense for, once again, keeping us from a 30-40 point loss. The entire offense staff, beginning with Bollman, should be fired tomorrow morning. Yes, we're missing players, but this is NOT a B1G offense. It's barely a MAC offense. Pathetic. 

 

LABuckeye's picture

Agreed 100%... of course, then you have to replace them, but I am convinced any elementary school kid could draw up a more effective offensive game plan.

KenK's picture

LAB, you may be on to something. If our QB's sat around a table doodling up a game plan it has a good chance of being better than what Bollman can put together.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Bucksfan's picture

Worst Ohio State team I've ever seen.  And the funny thing is that I'm not so sure that the future is very bright.  The offense simply has nothing to hang their hats on.  The defense plays well, but they have zero speed and virtually no pass rush...even with Williams back they're still not doing much.

Awful awful awful.  They just aren't any good.  The offensive line is a joke and shouldn't be involved in Big Ten football in any way.

No bowl this year.  I'm serious.

Jason Priestas's picture

1999 and 2000 were pretty shitty.

rlyle6's picture

Disagree. Knee-jerk reaction. We lost, and it was ugly, but a ton of freshman and underclassmen are getting clock. The learning curve may be steeper this year than in previous years, but to say the future isn't bright is typical of Buckeye fans doom and gloom after a loss.

Maestro's picture

Agree.  We have young playmakers at WR, corner, safety and linebacker.  The young offensive lineman are my biggest concern, but this team is incredibly young.

vacuuming sucks

Buckeyejason's picture

Yes, lots of young talented players. They need coaches that can utilize their talent to a maximum though.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Bucksfan's picture

RLY, it's not just this loss.  It's also the Miami loss, which looked remarkably similar.  This team can't move the ball down the field.  They don't look like a collection of big time college players.  They weren't playing Alabama or LSU here, it was Michigan State.  The defense held their asses to 10 points.  Their defense held us to 0, minus one garbage touchdown on a blown coverage with 10 seconds left.

It is the worst Ohio State team I've ever seen.  The 2000 team finished with 8 wins.  The '99 team finished with 6.  Show me the next 3 wins on our schedule this year.  I dare you.  Doesn't matter, I won't agree with you.  Indiana, Purdue, and that's about the only certainty.  You'll point to Penn State, but we are Penn State's rival - they could easily kill us just because they want it more.  We're going to get killed in our next 3 games, and it's likely that we won't be bowl eligible going into the Penn State game.

rlyle6's picture

I'm going to stick to my previous statement, man. This is the typical reaction after a loss. For Buckeye fans who see the glass half-empty, the sky is always falling! Even the last decade of 10 win seasons and Big Ten Championships were met with criticism over Tressel's conservative play. Point is, we're a tough crowd to please.

Calling this team the worst ever with over half the season to play only illustrates my point further. And as for your challenge, I think I'll pass. You said yourself you won't agree, so I won't waste your time or mine. Hope your weekend improves after today!

Go Bucks!

ChuckR65's picture

I agree.  Youth is being served and we are seeing growing pains that haven't showed their head in Cbus for a long time.  This team reminds me of Pryors soph year, except where Terrelle already had a year under his belt, Braxton has none.  Brax also doesn't have Terrelle's freakish physical gifts to dodge pass rushers.  Brax does have a better arm and mechanics and when things slow down for this kid he is going to be special.  Although I really don't like Bollman or Siciliano, I really don't think there's a lot they can do right now other than rides these kids and endure the growing pains.  The D on the other hand, is learning by leaps and bounds.  Simon is a beast! And Bradley Roby is one of the best corners I've seen in and OSU uniform, kid just makes plays.  Bryant is becoming a really good saftey.  We have a lot to look forward to Buckeye fans, and whomever coaches this team next year is going to inheret a very talented and expierenced team.

Buckeye06's picture

When I was at the Miami game, me and 2 other fans said over and over that Bauserman has to get all the snaps.  I am a Braxton Miller fan but he's not even close to ready to carry a young team IMO.  That's my opinion and I know it's in the minority

On to next week, and just remember that we are Buckeye Nation no matter what.

 

GO BUCKS

Buckeye06's picture

1 final thing; even if it is an INT, you have to try and throw the ball down the field 4 or 5 times.  Posey should help that a lot; throw the ball up and tell him he HAS to go up and get it.

 

 

Bucksfan's picture

You can't catch the balls that are thrown into the turf or into the stands.  You also can't throw the balls with 3 defensive linemen on you.

It doesn't matter who's QBing...the offensive line is an emarrassment to the game as a whole.

William's picture

A picket fence would have served us better.

ChuckR65's picture

Just don't tell ol' aligator arms he has to go over the middle and get one.

slippy's picture

What exactly have you seen in Bauserman that says he's ready for it either?  He's done nothing.  I'm not making apologies for Braxton cuz I'm  not sure he's ready but Bauserman is terrible.

Buckeye06's picture

Well what I saw in the 4th quarter was something that was invented a while ago...the forward pass.  If those passes were open for Bauserman they were open for Miller too. 

You can't say let the freshman take his lumps and make mistakes if the staff won't let him make mistakes.  He currently looks at 1 read, then goes into the fetal position. 

And I'll say it again I'm in the minority and I know it

Menexenus's picture

This is right.  Braxton is only looking at one receiver, and when that one's not open, he automatically scrambles even when he doesn't need to.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

slippy's picture

What you saw that was invented awhile ago is called 'prevent defense.'  They backed off the pass rush and played off.  I could have made those passes.  That was not Bauserman.  Bauserman came in and led the team to -23 yards before MSU stopped playing.

awwwwwwop's picture

+100 slippy. +100.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

ChuckR65's picture

Ever heard of a prevent defense...that's why those guys were open for Joe. Don't read too much into it.

DAVE's picture

I feel bad for Fickel. I don't doubt his commitment to OSU, but he clearly wasn't ready for the big time. Maybe in a few years. Now (hopefully) he'll be out after this year.

William's picture

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pswyAbitx7U&feature=related This video aptly describes our performance. What a horsehit performance. The defense played well with the exception of the stupid soft coverage, also Travis Howard is WAY overrated, give me Dominic Clarke!

Irricoir's picture

Yes, why the fuck is Dominic Clark in there. Look at what he did early in the season against shit teams. I don't care about the claber of the opponent he played against lets see if he can step it up against the better guys. Give him a chance. Howard can't hit and apparently can't even score a pass break up. Well he had one, should be much more for as much hype he has. He had to promote those t-shirts himself.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

741's picture

Holy crap William - I was planning to post the same link. We didn't do DIDDLY POO.

RadValtar's picture

Luke Fickell has ZERO chance at keeping this job.

BuckeyeChris's picture

If Gee and Smith aren't "working through back channels" right now!?!?

Rooster Buckburn's picture

wish we could ban the Meatchicken trolls in the game day chat

Sgt. Elias's picture

The worst piece of offensive football I've probably ever seen. Couple that with Bollman's genius and I'm going to drink everything. Wake me in November. Love the players, hate...strong disregard for the staff.  Gene Smith, Bollman, clean out your offices.

Thanks TP, tat-fail, and Tress....This is why we can't have nice things.

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Bucksfan's picture

Fickell doesn't call the plays, and doesn't coach the O-line.  Maybe Tressel's playcalling always made up for Bollman's ineptitude.

DAVE's picture

But he's the head coach and ultimately responsible.

madhatterhater's picture

Its hard to put the offense on Luke.  It isnt like he hand picked these guys.  I not really sure that anyone could do much with this situation.  Just my 2 cents.

go bucks

thorvath22's picture

of course he didnt hand pick these guys but its not like we wasnt left a load of young talent, sure he doesnt make the offensive calls but a HEAD COACH should be involved in the offense as well as the defense and if he wants to keep his job he needs to take control of the team and not be worried about stepping on anyones toes because Bollman is going to single handedly cost Fickell his dream job and ultimately that is Fickells mistake for not taking charge like a head coach should.

Sgt. Elias's picture

Of course, I think we all knew this deep down. This is the problem with a regime filled with yes-men and sycophants. Cut off the head and the body dies.  Bleh....

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

ERIC OSU's picture

Not levying the blame against fick is absurd. If the team isn't prepared, which was blatantly obvious it comes down on the head coach. If the playcalling is this atrocious, and Luke wants the job he needs to implement his own ideas or take over. Doing nothing but allowing bollman to devise this atrocity, you're telling me u don't have what it takes to be the head coach here.

klfeck's picture

If Luke Fickell is willing to bet his job on Bollman then he doesn't deserve the job. End of story.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

BTwrestle04's picture

Ohio State is not the school you cut your teeth at as your first head coaching position. Where's Urban... Or anyone who has OFFENSIVE coaching experience

Colin's picture

Positives: 

  • Our defense played well and didn't quit.
  • Bauserman shaved and no longer looks homeless.

Negatives:

  • Everything else.
Jugdish's picture

UGLY...UGLY...UGLY

Bollman did not use Millers speed at all.

Hats off to MSU and Dantonio. We were out coached and out played.

Get ready for TFSUN.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

Brutus's picture

Not being facetious here, but does Miller really have speed? He rushed for 83 yds last week because of poor tackling, not because of speed. He has quick feet, but doesn't know what he wants to do with them. His shiftiness may have worked in high school, but won't work against talented defenses. Pryor had speed and strength. I don't think Miller has either. He may turn into a fine passer, but right now, I think he is the second coming of Jacory Harris, not Troy Smith. That may be a bit unfair after just two games, but just calling it like I see it.

Bucks43201's picture

I know MSU's defense is stout, but, we made them look like the late 70's Steel Curtain with the OFFENSive ineptitude

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

LABuckeye's picture

If I didn't have family to see in Columbus I would be canceling my trip home for the Wisconsin game. Don't get me wrong... I will be watching games and cheering all season, but I don't see anyway my game day experience is going to make me say "man, I'm glad I spent the money to come across the country for this game!"

AeroBuckeye2001's picture

So watching Buckeye football in person is conditional upon whether or not we're doing well? Wow. Not like these young players could use our support or anything.

The Ohio State University Class of 2001
BS Aero & Astronautical Engineering

Irricoir's picture

Normally, I reserve the "Fire him" comments for later in the season, after more evidence is gathered and more information is seen in regards to how he coaches this team. I wouldn't even yell it if we lost two competitive games. Its not his record or the amounts of losses that we have had. He has preached competition. We have not competed.  I am embarassed for this team. I support them and will cheer for them no matter what but for the first time in a long time I am utterly embarassed. One complete egg in a season is understandable although not typical in Buckeye land. 2 in 5 games is enough evidence for me. Throw in Toledo and I don't have to see more. I know we can't clean house right now but I feel even after I have cooled down tomorrow, I would still wish to see Bollman go first, Fickell right behind him. A loss doesn't bother me, the impotence on Offense is plain fucking unacceptable. /feel free to edit any of my profanity, I haven't the temperment to filter it myself. Don't preach that MSU is a powerful defensive unit. They know we can't throw the ball and stack the box and blitz like mad. The blue print for the season has been written. No offensive calls for countering that type of pressure. Fuck Bollman. Fuck Fickell. The only way that he keeps his job now is if he turns Miller into flipping RG4. Yeah Miller looked like a deer in the headlights but I probably would too if I had 8 defenders charging me every play and no experience at how to handle that pressure. I'm done. Go Buckeyes.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Jugdish's picture

I know how you feel and I feel the same way. I didn't see Fickle at all excited about anything and getting onto players and coaches. He needs to be into the game and needs to be emotional. I am embarrassed for OSU. I hope at least Fickle recruits well for Meyer.

Remember to get your wolverine spade or neutered. TBDBITL

headina's picture

Well said. I complained about tressel's play calls, calling them predictable, but holy cow this is a whole new level of predicability 

GO BUCKS

OhioKris's picture

luke, the force is not with you....

GoBucks713's picture

I think we are giving ourselves a bowl ban.

-The Aristocrats!

BuckeyeChris's picture

Self-imposed. Genius!

BuckeyeChris's picture

Self-imposed. Genius!

Buckeye Chuck's picture

My mistake. I said after the Miami loss that the end of any expectations for this season would make the coaching staff loosen up, but if anything, the leash on Miller today was maybe 1/8 inch long. Calling pass plays only when you're in third-and-long, and with an ordinary pass blocking line to begin with, and it's little surprise that we could neither run nor pass.

This isn't to say Miller looked good--like most young quarterbacks who worry about their protection, he bails out way too soon--but the staff is not putting him in position to succeed. Once it was obvious we weren't going to be able to run as easily this week as last week, there was no Plan B. Now, the concern is that they are seriously hampering Miller's development going forward with the silly benching, even more than it was already being hampered by having the likes of Bollman and Siciliano coaching him up.

Looks like Shugarts and Brewster have officially joined the long list of once-highly touted recruits (Boone, Boren) who have regressed or failed to develop under Bollman's tenure. Even Adams has arguably failed to live up to his high school billing.

I'm pleased there's some young talent on defense (though apparently not much of it plays linebacker). In the short run, our best chance of beating anybody, even the likes of Indiana, is to keep it close on D and hope we score just enough.

Serious question: This would be very unorthodox, but with any semblance of hope that this is even going to be an OK season now utterly gone, if you're Gene Smith and Gordon Gee, do you just go ahead and announce right now that Fickell won't be retained after the season? Ordinarily you might be worried about hurting recruiting, but we aren't going to get any decent recruits these next 2 months as it stands anyway, and announcing that there's going to be someone new might encourage some 5-stars to hold off on committing anyplace else till they see what we do.

Two weeks till basketball practice starts. Thank God.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

BuckeyeChris's picture

Not a bad idea, at all Re: your "Serious question:"  Especially if Urban Meyer happens to be the answer.  

My point is that, obviously, coaches who are with a school right now aren't going to say a word at present. However, Meyer can can be announced as "the coach-to-be" tomorrow with no such concerns.

The most important thing in all of this is, what is going to happen to recruiting? If you make it known that Fickell won't be back, and the Urban Meyer will be the coach effective Nov 28, 2011, you run a lesser risk of losing key recruits (which, IMHO is the most important aspect of this whole situation).

To me, it's not just who we bring in to coach, it's how we go about doing it and making sure we minimize damage to recruiting and, if done correctly, maximize recruiting. 

Sgt. Elias's picture

^this. gene gets paid 6 figures to make tough desicions. That said, I think Gene is out of his element and has been riding Geiger's accomplishments like they were his own. I don't expect him to make the tough call here. He's a puss. 

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Sofa Kingdom's picture

PATHETIC!!! nuff said.

 

Bucks43201's picture

I still can't believe, with all of that interior pressure MSU's D-line was bringing all day, we didn't do the common sense thing and try a freakin' screen pass --- Bollman, wake up man

 

and could Graham or Guiton have been worse than the QB play we had today?  I don't think so

"You win with people." - Woody Hayes

bucknut3011's picture

Ugh!!!!  We have no offense.  At a minimum, Bollman is gone after this season.  As much as I want Fickell to succeed, I'm afraid he is in way over his head at this point in his career.  The offense is not being coached.  I can't see a coherent offensive game plan.  Why are we trying to throw 15 yards on every pass play? 

OHIOST1087's picture

Bradley Roby is a nice surprise, played himself a pretty solid game today. Defense (- Travis Howard) played really well (IMO). Also: Is Kenny G. really worse than Miller or Bauserman? He had a solid spring game (last year), and did ok in mop up duty last year (not any worse than this year's QBs). Would love to see some Kenny G out there.

Buckeyejason's picture

Did you say Travis Howard played well? That guy freaking terrible! Howard Island my ass more like Howard Earth. They were picking on him all day, Clarke needs to be in there with Robey. Howard is an overrated offseason player.

BUCKEYES BABY!

tampa buckeye's picture

He got beat twice he played well enough to win. The d overall did. The oline and playcalling lost this game. Im not giving up boom posey and adams come back next week. Too bad we dont get tp back....thanks alot bin laden.

poop's picture

Yep, Howard was toast today. Very disappointed by what I saw. He was burnt on several plays and he needs to learn to tackle. Not giving up on him but he's gotta do better than that.

OHIOST1087's picture

Did you not see the minus next to howard's name?

RedQueenRace's picture

I read that as defense minus TH.

OhioKris's picture

what people are really starting to understand now is how good of coach tressel was. 

Pam's picture

And how good of a QB TP was

Yamosu's picture

I refuse to acknowledge this.  He will forever be the unnamed QB during the dark times.

poop's picture

I don't think this game proves your point in any way. I think it proves how much Fickel is in over his head. It's going to be a looooong season fellas/ladies.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

A good coach, but no excuse for the offensive staff he selected (and tolerated) for years.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

buckeyewx's picture

A chimp with a six-sided die labeled SCREEN, READ OPTION, PLAY ACTION, PASS, RUN, and HAIL MARY would have a more successful offensive gameplan than Bollman has. I understand that Miller struggles at times (he's a freshman) and the o-line gave nobody a chance, but you have to at least try to adapt the gameplan to our (very few) offensive strengths. So sick of this Bollman offense...

LABuckeye's picture

I just spit beer through my nose.

DAVE's picture

In the pressed Fickel just said Bollman knows what he's doing. Nuff said.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

Bollman keeps callling play action on 3rd and 15. So no, he doesn't know what he's doing.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Sgt. Elias's picture

funny `cause it's true   /sobsintobeer

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

Menexenus's picture

Let's hire the chimp!  At least the die roll would be a little less predictable...

Real fans stay for Carmen.

Irricoir's picture

Can our fricking offensive line get boot camped please? Give them the fucking sled!! The most irritating thing out of all of this is ole' dependable False Shugarts, and his trusty protege side kick Jack Falsehort. Damn it seemed like every play was 1st and 15 tonight.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

mike78's picture

So, I drank more and more heavily as the game wore on (of course) so my opinion may be.... slurred.

Fickell has to go.  I really hoped that he was the head coach of the future because no one is more Buckeye than Luke.  

I know Braxton looked poor... but our o-line was killing him. When we get the miracle interception that gives us life, Luke decides to go with Bauserman?  This was a huge game, and the coaches just told the quaterback of the future: not only do we not trust you to win this game, but we'd rather have a 74 year old, below average minor league pithcher with no discernable quarterbacking talent try to make a comeback.

I'm only surprised by the fact that Bauserman didn't throw the ball away more.

 

benlight01's picture

I hope they don't go back to Bauserman as the starter, since they could have started (name an NFL QB) and he would have gotten no where with that o-line. I hope the line coach was fired before leaving the locker room tonight. Then they can go after Bollman.

tampa buckeye's picture

Well good news is we have one hell of a defense better news is we get the top rb, wr, and olineman....circle the wagons boys!

bucknut3011's picture

Defensively, we were solid today.  Howard had some blown coverage, but overall, solid. 

doodah_man's picture

Urban comes in with the hope that he will fire Bollman.

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

Irricoir's picture

There is less than a 1% chance that Urban or any other coach would keep that stale turd Bollman.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

bucknut3011's picture

I'm seeing a good possibility of 3-5...  Are we becoming what UM has been the past 3 years?

tampa buckeye's picture

Im convinced the playbook is left over from the pryor days. Oh 3 and long tp get 10. he hid alot of our weaknesses for the last 3 years. O-line should run til they puke. Fuck the ncaa. Thats it great games on tonight. Late.

OhioKris's picture

right guard number 74 needs to be sent down to the scout team. 

BoFuquel's picture

The best thing BM can do fake a chronic hang nail on his throwing hand,and sit out the rest of the season. In january hand the keys to Mr. Jones, and go play with his Bubba Trey. BUCKEYES FOREVER!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Irricoir's picture

Call me paranoid...I truly think that the only winnable games at this point are Indiana, Purdue and possibly Penn State if our defense returns an interception. People will point the finger at me and call me the typical Buckeye fanatic that turns on their coach on a whim and chases alumni out of their hometown because they give their unfettered opinion about their alma mater. People can think what they want. I think that 3/5 games is evidence enough. I love the Buckeyes but this can not be the future.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

NYC Buckeye's picture

I agree with your projected wins... Indiana, Purdue and most likely penn state (that game will be 3-0)... but thats about it...

buckeyewx's picture

I agree as well, I think that we will be very, very lucky to pay in ANY bowl game this year (aside from NCAA decisions).

klfeck's picture

I could not agree more. We maaaaaaaaayyyyyy beat Penn, IN, and Purdue. Unless the suspended 4 can make a huge diff, the rest are losses.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

poop's picture

The only positive thing that I can see happening this season is Bollman gets relieved of his duties (along with all the other Tressel guys) and finally gets to join the circus. What an embarrassing performance by the offense.

larzdapunk's picture

At one point, my wife was so depressed watching this game that she decided to read an update on CaringBridge of her friend who is battling with cancer.  I think that's pretty illustriative of today's effort. 

Go Bucks. 

OHIOinME's picture

They are who we thought they were. The defense isn't good enought to win a game and our Offense isn't good enough to win.  All I can do is keep cheering and say,"Go Bucks!"

NYC Buckeye's picture

I don't blame Fickell for putting Bausermann in, he felt we had a chance to win (hah!) the game, and it was clear that wasnt going to happen with Braxton in, he's just too young, everything will come with time... as long as he plays most of the games it will be fine for next year... 

I think we all take for granted how quickly Pryor (due to his insane athletic ability) became a effective QB... that doesnt happen that often...  Braxton couldn't even scramble, just danced around a lot, hes only 18 years old, and that was an above average defensive line... poor protection didnt help him either...

Welcome to the beginning of our 4 game losing streak!  Have we ever lost 4 in a row??

 

poop's picture

An average defensive line against a pathetic (overall) offensive line. 9 sacks allowed. Braxton didn't stand a chance.

Brutus's picture

Speaking of the offensive line, it seemed that more times than not, MSU d-linemen were across the line before Miller even took a step back. They were jumping the snap count every time. That's on Miller. He needs to adjust his cadence or lineup in shotgun every play. We did that with Pryor his entire first year it seems. I'm guessing that was Tressel's doing and Bollman simply can't figure that out himself.

madhatterhater's picture

Hard to change it up with the false starts.

 

go bucks

Irricoir's picture

We can't hard count or do anything otherworldly predictable because of Shugarts and Mewhort. False Starts a plenty.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

tampa buckeye's picture

Joe montana would have sucked with that line. this was a case where we needed tp and a power running back that can break a tackle and make a fuckin play. Rod smith should be getting carries and a fuckin screen pass would be right! I would shit can the whole offensive coaching staff. Bring on urban.

Buckeye06's picture

Is the O-line supposed to stop 7 guys with 5? 

I won't make excuses for multiple lapses by the guys up front, but MSU had no fear and was blitzing every down because they had no fear that we could throw a forward pass....and they were right. 

I just wish we would install some screen passes into the offense to get the ball out of our QB's hands, whoever that QB is

tampa buckeye's picture

Play calling awful. You give him the freedom to check out of you crappy play he never once changed the play call. Screen pass to slow the rush and you roll him everytime and pass on first down to keep them honest. But that was the worst line in the history of ohoo state football missed blocks bad snaps and false starts 1st and 15 doesnt get it done

headina's picture

Do you mean Rod "fumbled myself out of playing" Smith? How about someone calling plays that aren't so predictable? I agree the O line sucks, but the opposing D can be pretty successful when they know for a fact it is going to be run, run, penalty, short pass on 3rd and 18

GO BUCKS

Hoody Wayes's picture

The 2011 Ohio State football team is like a rowboat in choppy water...with too many leaks and one oar.

Luke Fickell is more a caretaker, than a coach. And there's no reason to be angry with him. He's doing his best, given these circumstances.

bucknut3011's picture

I hear you.  He just isn't ready for this position.  Too bad...  I wanted someone who was born and bred and that bleeds scarlet and gray to succeed.

bucknut3011's picture

Did you see what scUM did to Minnesota today?  Not that Minnesota is all that, but still.  I feel like i'm in bizarro world.  This can't be happening...

TatumRuled's picture

Hear that squeaking sound? It's Fickell polishing his resume.

"Hell, Woody didn't recruit me; he recruited my mother!" -Jack Tatum                       

mike78's picture

I swear, I'm 100% honest when I say this... assuming Tressel doesn't get a show cause from the NCAA, what should stop tOSU from hiring him as head coach next year?

LABuckeye's picture

He now has a bad reputation. Granted, what we know he did was not horrible, but he has a consistent pattern of ignoring rules he thinks are insignificant. Is he good to "his" kids? Of course. I am certain he is a great influence on the players and a hell of a coach. However, I don't think he can coach in college ever again... 

matti's picture

bollman please do us all a favor and go terry francona and just leave

BoFuquel's picture

As the great Bobby Zimmerman once wrote. The're selling post cards of the hanging.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Buckeyejason's picture

Michigan is up, we're down. Its bound to happen.

USC is down.

Florida was down last year.

Texas was down

This is us being down. Although I don't think they looked as bad as we do.

BUCKEYES BABY!

3cent's picture

Why not give guiton a try, I always. Thought he was better than baseman anyways when they were both backing up TP

Yamosu's picture

I just don't understand how people can be surprised with this result.  Watching Toledo, Miami and Colorado, the only thing I am surprised at is that we were able to hold them to 10 with our offense unable to stay on the field.  I wish was I was drinking the same thing that all those people who were saying this team was a worst case 9-3 team, but sorry folks, this is UT from 2010.  We are 7-5 or 6-6 team. 

 

3cent's picture

Speaking of OSU offense, they actually had the ball in TOP longer than MSUs offense

Menexenus's picture

I feel bad for the defense, because they are holding up their end of the bargain.  They look like they belong on an elite team (even though I am missing the pick-6's that we used to get all the time).  But our offense looks worse than most high school teams.  Basically, we only have half a team, and you can't win without an offense.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

3cent's picture

Yeah, I am with you on the pick 6's there should have been one in this game and the Miami that could have turned those losses into wins

Buckeyejason's picture

The defense held up and played well..but they look far from being elite. A lot of flaws on our defense.

I can't stop saying how bad Howard is. There's no way he's our best corner. Robey..who's a redshirt freshman(and a former WR) is our best corner.

BUCKEYES BABY!

741's picture

So very far from elite. Too many missed tackles, too much soft zone coverage. I seriously can't figure out how it is that MSU did not score 30 on us today.

I will say the DEF did not give up - and that is a positive.

BoFuquel's picture

I'd puke,but they don't feed us here at The Aldous Huxley Brave New World Home.Nurse,Nurse, more drugs please!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

741's picture

The lack of a scripted "one minute drill" set of plays is an utter and absolute failure of offensive coaching.

Bollman should should never coach again. Sicliano should go back to coordinating videos somewhere. Fickell may not get a job as a head coach anywhere, let alone at the FBS level, after he is let go at the end of this season. He has a LOT to learn.

Buckeyejason's picture

It feels good watching "real" football..Pulling for Bama over Florida.

I still can't process what I watched today, I wish I had that 3+ hours of my life back.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Big'un's picture

And Miller's getting good coaching from the QB coach......?

Bobby Light's picture

Good chance we end Oct. 0-4-1. What is the 1 you ask. Bye Week. I feel confident that our defense can hold Bye Week to 0 points, but I'm not convinced we can score on them.

OHIOinME's picture

After watching the Wiscy O-Line, I think Ohio State needs to set up a weekly 'Wiscy O-linemen of the Week' award. So sad.

BoFuquel's picture

I suggest you go to You-Tube or whever you prefer.Get yourself a real good dose of George Carlin.That young man had the straight scoop.Too bad we lost him so soon.Then go out and get fallin' down drunk.Oh don't forget your gun,you gonna need it tonight.You'll be ready for work come Monday.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Maestro's picture

Being average sucks.

It's not the play calling.  The offense is just below average, as in the players aren't that good.

Getting Boom, Posey and Adams back will certainly help, but not that much.

NO QB = NO OFFENSE

vacuuming sucks

OHIOinME's picture

You have it wrong.

NO OL=NO OFFENSE

The Offensive Line has sucked forever. Not having an experience/mobile QB just exposes it.

Maestro's picture

Sorry man, but no matter how good your OLine is if the QB and receivers don't recognize blitzes or feel pressure and your offense is completely 1-dimensional........it won't work.  Teams will continue to stack the box and there aren't enough lineman to block 8 players playing run.

Most of the sacks today were on the QB's.  You can't block forever.

vacuuming sucks

Hoody Wayes's picture

"MAESTRO ON 1 OCTOBER 2011 - 9:33PM #
Agree.  We have young playmakers at WR, corner, safety and linebacker.  The young offensive lineman are my biggest concern, but this team is incredibly young."

So, are they not that good or are they too young? Your words betray your avatar, "བླ་མ་."

On offense, it IS the play calling. On offense, the biggest drop-off in talent and experience is, at head coach. We've got the talent on offense. Tressel recruited THAT talent. We don't have Tressel...and that's the biggest difference-maker, this year. 

And the defense, is limiting opponents to an average of, 14.6 p.p.g. 

lhardeman's picture

This team has a myriad of issues.  Firstly, it seemed to me that only a few players played hard all game namely Hall and Simon.  In my opinion they should make these guys the captains for the rest of the season because young teams need someone to lean on and look towards when things go bad and this is a very young team.  Secondly, Howard looked very out of place today.  Roby did a pretty decent job after the staff made the move to put him on Cunningham, but that decision seemed to come about two quarters too late.  Thirdly, this was probably the worst line performance since Purdue a couple years ago.  Late in the game Michigan State was rushing three linemen and getting enough pressure that forced Bauserman to scramble.  A DT shouldn't beat three linemen to apply pressure to the quarterback.  I understand that our QB's are inexperienced, but it seems like there isn't any progress made from week to week.  Where is the coaching?  This isn't a slam on Miller, but it didn't even look like he could recognize when the blitz was coming.  Fourthly, we need to coach up our wr's.  They are so young and it is very unfair to tell them to make plays when OSU gives them a coach who is coaching wr's for the first time.  I'm not trying to disrespect Drayton and I'm not a coach, but I would imagine coaching rb's and wr's would require different skill sets.  Lastly, we need to do something about our recruiting.  How on earth do you have a situation where Pryor was the only qb on the roster who seemed like he had some sort of clue.  Is Guiton that bad that he is worse than a ture freshman after being in the system for so long?  I mean who waits four years to find the next starting qb, they should've stocked up.  And next year our offensive line will more than likely we worse than this year.  Whoever is making the decisions on who to recruit, here is a clue recruit whomever Wisconsin is recruiting.  Better yet hire their offensive line coach.  Let's face it, we have been living of the Brew Crew for the last 4 years and it seemed like the coaching staff was happy with that, but their time is almost over and it seems like our two most important positions on offense (qb and left tackle) have been neglected for the future.  This isn't a damnation of Miller, I think he will be great, my point is there should've been someone on the two deep better than him so that he wouldn't be in this position.

NC_Buckeye's picture

How I spent this afternoon:
The gamewatch organizer and I were yelling at each other. Him: Fickell's not ready to be the coach of a big-time program. Me: how many more ways can you hog-tie this guy and expect him to win.

Then I come very close to exchanging blows with an NC State fan. FYI, even though the Wolfpack suck at football, there's always one table of NC State fans at our gamewatch making a point of rooting against us. Today this guy and another a-hole kept yelling O-H whenever we did something sucky... which basically was all afternoon. The last time they did it after the game ended, we traded some words. Not my best stuff today.

NC_predictions:
So here's me going into Cassandra-mode. It's going to take our football program a decade to get out of the suck that the next 2-3 coaches are going to drag us through. Brady Hoke and the scUM-fathful should be very happy.

BoFuquel's picture

Wait till next year. I've been saying that since 1960 with the hoops team, and I ain't give up yet.GO BUCKS!

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

BuckeyeChief's picture

FTW.

This is worse than we thought it was gonna be, but you know what? Let's get all the fake ass Buckeye fans off the fucking bandwagon. I'm still out head held high sporting gear.

This is worse than 2004; next year is going to suck too, but watch out for 2013. Urban isn't the answer, he couldn't handle the pressure cooker in Florida, he won't handle it in Columbus. Fickell is getting fucked and it isn't 100% his fault. You don't cut your teeth here, and he is in the same situation as Earle was, Aaron Rodgers was, and whoever relieved Elway was. He isn't ready, couldn't make his changes and what we see now is how great a coach and QB we lost.

We've been calling for Bollman to get canned for years, it's gonna happen.

Gene Smith may be gone after the way the whole thing was handled.

My only question is, will Fickell be back as the D coordinator?

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

I've felt bad for Luke with the hand he was dealt, but what's the deal with not showing any freaking emotion? Should have came in to that press conference pissed off and calling his offense out. Now we're going to have to change the turf to get rid of the stench in the shoe after that big pile of Bollman.

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

I just read the recap; he's both lost and indecisive.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

osukdawg76's picture

Agreed.  He has absolutely no clue what to do.  The knee-jerk reaction was hiring Fickell as the interim head coach without really evaluating the options when Tressel was fired/resigned/retired.  This was a bad decision from the start.  I like Fickell.  I really do.  Ohio State, however, is not a job that someone gets their feet wet and cuts their teeth at the head coaching position.

 

Jim Bollman needs to die in a fire/get hit by a truck/thrown into a box and set on fire.  I will accept any forms of torture that causes him to go completely nuts.  Because, once again....

 

 

 

The defense (save for Travis Howard) somehow kept this game remotely close.  I tip my hat to these kids for being handed this task and keeping MSU to ten points.

 

Also, was anyone as absolutely stunned as I was to find out that we WON the time of possession battle?

I, for one, welcome our new coaching overlords.

 

 

Mr. Slick's picture

The clock stops on incomplete forward passes and first downs.  The clock continues to run on 2 yard running plays. 

The real measuring stick should be number of plays ran.  I'm guessing they ran many more than us.  If this is not correct then pretend this was someone elses idea.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Fickell will be clearing out his office at the WHAC either in Nov or Jan. And that will be the last time we see him in Scarlet and Gray. (A notion that makes me both sad and angry.)

His replacement will at most retain one coach if any at all. Maybe Haynes or Peterson. And that's it.

After this year, the only time we'll ever see Fickell is on the opponent's side of the field.

Colby3333's picture

Look on the bright side.......@ least we won't have to worry about anyone from this team selling their shit for cash and tats.......who the hell would buy it after todays effort? A change is coming......

Buckeyejason's picture

So we got bashed when we were winning Big Ten titles and playing in BCS games..now what are we going to get?

BUCKEYES BABY!

Transylvaniabuck's picture

We get to be irrelevant.

Shane Falco 16's picture

Score could have been worse but Dantonio didn't want to run up the score if he has any interest in coaching here. He knew we couldn't do shit on O so he basically played Tressel Ball.

klfeck's picture

Might have a point. But I think Cousins just sucks in general.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

OHIOST1087's picture

I don't believe so... b/c if he was "playing Tressel-Ball" Cousins wouldn't be chuckin' it in the endzone to CJ Barnett and down the field to Bradley Roby, or past the fingertips of Andrew Sweat. Our D (minus Travis Howard) played lights out. They seemed to be able to sustain their strength and conditioning throughout the entire game (unlike @ the Miami game...) perhaps that was b/c of the humidity, and b/c it was the 3rd game for many of these youngsters (game conditioning).

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

I'll say this just for the reaction...Mike Leach anyone?

BuckeyeChief's picture

no

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

OSUNeedles's picture

I would take him as offensive coordinator if we could keep a solid defensive core together... Plus he might get angry and yell at some people if they are playing or practicing like idiots.

Baroclinicity's picture

As I drove north on I-77 a couple hours ago, I tried to hit Flat Top Mountain peak in southern West Virginia at 200mph.  Stupid Xterra won't go that fast though.

I don't know what to say.  At least after Miami we had Colorado.  Going into Nebraska is going to be scary.

I hope every single one of those idiots realizes what they've done to this team. 

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

LABuckeye's picture

Wisconsin looks scary good.

klfeck's picture

The Defense as a whole deserves a standing ovation. The offensive coaches need to be ran out of town. Fickell will soon find himself with them if he doesn't right the ship. I am very disapointed in his leadership so far.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Type G's picture

Bollman would get better results calling plays with a magic 8 ball. If he's not the first to get canned next season I'm gonna riot.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Get rid of Bollman now. 

Mr. Slick's picture

Is it safe to assume Fickell at least decides who plays the quarterback position for this team?  Is it sad that I'm not sure the answer to that question?  Whoever is making that decision has the evaluation skills of a DERP.

I wasn't shocked or mad or any emotion really when Baus came into the game in the 4th quarter.  Brax didn't put any points up in 3 quarters and I was fine with giving Baus his chance (you play to win the game after all).  I was even okay with bringing Baus back for his second series.  I mean the first series didn't go very well but only giving him three plays doesn't give him much opportunity.  Oh..... that series resulted in 3 plays and a neg 30 yards also? Now there is no way they will bring him back for a third series.  These coaches arent stupid they can see he has no chance of moving the ball and Millers slight chance of moving the ball is better than that.  There is probably a better chance at seeing Kenny G than Baus again.  Oh... he is coming back for a third series?  That also resulted in crap?  A fourth series too???  etc...

I really hope his success against the prevent defense doesn't trick the staff into thinking he can do good things for our offense.  However, WHOEVER makes that decision can't see it during the game so I'm no convinced the film will be any more convincing.... sigh.

GoBlu's picture

You guys are worrying for nothing... So what you lost... You guys are bad this year due to extenuating circumstances. Wisconsin is going to blow you out, Michigan will beat you this year and fickell is just a placeholder till the ncaa crap gets sorted out. Just deal with it, osu will be a force again in 5 years. It's too big a program to stay down, every one goes thru it.

Two Bucks's picture

We'll see about that ttun prediction, and this will not last anywhere near 5 years.

GoBlu's picture

So when I said you guys would have 2 losses by this time and your recruiting would be hurt and Fickell is just a placeholder till the NCAA settles this mess... those predictions didnt come to fruition?  

Come on.... I know you are an avid Bucks fan, but get a dose of reality.  OSU is on the downward swing and UM is on the upwards swing...  You had 10 years of dominance, a national championship... you made the most of it.  Now just take your licks and suffer for the next 4-5 years of mediocraty. 

 

PS.  Bri'onte Dunn will be a Wolverine. 

Two Bucks's picture

A "downward swing" like 1999? We won the National Title 3 years later. This team still has an amazing amount of talent, it's just very young. This team will look much different by Nov. 26th.  The defense is still much better than what ttun is putting on the field, so we'll see.

madhatterhater's picture

I am happy with the defensive effort.  One would believe that if you hold a team to 10 points you should win.  I just dont have any words for the offense, its just that bad.

go bucks

GoBlu's picture

I'm not sold on MSU's offense.  They replaced way too much talent on the O-line and backfield to repeat their success from last year.  On top of that... their defense isnt that good.  OSU has SERIOUS problems on offense.  I mean... I haven't seen that much ineptitude on offense in a long time.

OSU is looking at possibly losing the next three games if you dont figure something out.

pasadenabuck's picture

The next three games are clearly not winnable with either Bauserman or Miller. My brain is slightly (slightly? who the hell am I kidding- I've had two beers and three Margaritas) frazzled and I don't remember the exact quote nor the author but the whole definition of insanity being "repeating the same thing but hoping for a different result" clearly has no meaning with this coaching staff. Everyone on this site knows with complete certainty that Bauserman will be our starter against Nebraska, Everyone knows that we WILL lose with Bauserman as our starter. Why not bump Guiton up to number 1? We have NOTHING to lose at this point. Nothing. I understand that Luke is auditioning for this gig but ,seriously, every game until Michigan is a scrimmage, unimportant. The only meaning we can hope to draw from the rest of the seaon is improvement in each game until we reach Michigan. And then we beat those dicks.

  I like Fickel. I really do. But no on with zero experience should be the Head coach of a major program lkie OSU. Woody? Dennison, Miami (Oh), and then OSU.  Tressel? YSU for a billion years and then OSU. Luke needs to do some head coaching in the MAC and then come back to us after Urban or  Gruden retire in 10 years.

 

 

 

A fool and his money are soon parted.I would pay anyone a lot of money to explain that to me. -Homer Simpson

OSUNeedles's picture

Einstein would be the moderately intelligent individual you are looking for:

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results."

I love that quote...

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

This team is one offense away from being pretty good.  It's just ridiculous how bad this offense is.  How in the world does Ohio State, with the talent it has regardless of suspensions, not be able to put together some kind of respectable offense?  I'm not expecting these guys to go out and score 40 every game, but double digits would be nice.  When our defense goes out there and holds a good MSU offense to 10 points, I would hope we could find a way to score at least 11.  It's inexcusable not to. 

I like Luke Fickell.  He'll be a great coach some day.  However, OSU is not the place for your first head coaching gig.  Luke doesn't know offense as well as Tressel did, and leaving it up to Bollman, well, you've seen the result.  We have no offensive minds in our program right now.  Our new head coach needs to know offense, and bring good offensive minds with him.  You know, offensive staff that can properly utilize the talent and come up with playcalling that defenses and especially fans can't predict. 

Braxton should still be the main QB.  Of course he's not ready.  Neither is Bauserman.  If we play Bauserman, Braxton might not be ready next year.  We don't want to become like those jackasses up north and suck for several years.

Class of 2010.

dmichaele's picture

In the entire state of Ohio, the Bucks can't find a 6'3'' stud QB with a big arm and some leadership abilities. Miller looks like a deer in headlights. Can the Bucks win a game in the conference this year? Doesn't look good. 

741's picture

He's the only other true freshman (besides Pryor) to start at QB at Ohio State since Art Schlichter. We probably ought not give up on him just yet. He almost certainly would have redshirted this year had the tat shit not hit the fan.

741's picture

(And he's 6'3" and has a big arm.)

mr.green's picture

Staying calm, but I do think Miller is far from ready to be a starting QB. That's a problem. Deer in headlights came to mind often while wathing. Not looking beyond one receiver was definitely a problem. Not throwing over the D-line was another. I hate the calls from the coaches, but they don't have a lot to work with. I hope (expect!) he gets better, but the run game needs to be good for him to be good and we just struggle way too much there. Maybe it gets better next week.

Do not give up on the season, Buckeyes. We are now that school teams will circle as a sure win. Michigan did that in 2004.

 

Sofa Kingdom's picture

I miss Tresselball. *sniffle*sniffle*

poop's picture

I don't. I'm convinced that we wouldn't be any better if Tress was still here. TP was the reason that our offense was as good as it was. Remember 2004? Tressel's fingerprints are all over that offense. We have a freshman QB who is in over his head, a 23rd year senior who is in over his head and an asstastic offensive line. Add in Bollman and Siciliano (always knew that was a horrible hire) and we're in for a long ass season. Wisconsin is going to run a train on us at the Shoe. Prepare your anus fellow Buckeye fans.

thorvath22's picture

you do realize that by the end of 2004 Ohio State was playing very good football, love it or hate it but Tressels teams ALWAYS progressed and were playing their best by November, with this coaching staff I just dont buy that we will see this team really progress to become what they should become. If Tressell was here we would more than likely be undefeated or 4-1.

helloheisman's picture

U hate TP but U need TP...........LOVE IT

Buckeyejason's picture

You hit the nail right on the head poop.

And no we don't need TP. We need coaches that can come up with a game plan to utilize the personels talent.

While were at it we need a competent O-line coach.

BUCKEYES BABY!

NC_Buckeye's picture

LeCharles Bentley. From what I've read the O-line clinics he conducts up in Cleveland are the premier clinics for this position. Wisky linemen often have matriculated through his program.