What Do You Mean, 'They?'

By Elika on October 19, 2011 at 4:17p
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Gerald McCoy pumps up the crowd.

In Grantland’s article, “What Do You Mean, ‘We?’” Chris Jones explores the phenomenon of sports fans using the personal pronoun “we” in reference to their team of choice. With very few (and rather obscure) exceptions, Jones asserts that only those who play or work for a team should be using “we” when referring to the team.

Admittedly, I’ve fallen into this trap myself many times before. After all, aside from my family, not a single relationship (of any kind) that I have had in my life has lasted as long as the one I have with my sports teams. How many things do you still love as much as you did when you were a little child?

This isn’t to say that I actually believe that I am on the team or that anyone who is would consider me to be a part of their “we.” I’m not completely delusional. But, if nothing else, the bond is certainly greater than that which I have had with many others along the way.

Maybe there is a “we” that is applicable beyond the players and the staff. Maybe those of us who have gone to great lengths to attend a game, experienced our first heartbreak at a sporting event, or sacrificed our voices, because we believe that being loud on defense does make a difference, make up a different “we” than the one Jones assumes diehard fans speak of. A bigger “we.” A more inclusive “we.” A community created by an incredibly irrational, yet amazing, bond with people, both on and off the field, that we share something with.

I can’t help but answer Jones’ question with questions of my own. The most pressing one being, who does he think he is? How does anyone have the right to tell a truly loyal fan the boundaries within which they can define their relationship with a team? Does he honestly expect fans to refer to the team they’ve invested time, money and their souls into the same way they would their most hated rival? “They” sounds so far removed from something that we as fans so closely associate with. “They” sounds so much like... Michigan.

Jones opens his argument by claiming that teams don’t need fans. His evidence of this is the Florida Marlins and their continuing existence, despite the lack of fan support. I have to argue that eventually, without fans, the Marlins would cease to exist. Of course, any team can stand to lose a handful of fans, except for possibly the Miami Hurricanes. No team, however, is sustainable in a world without the concept of fans altogether. Even an independently wealthy team owner who could continue to foot the bill for a fanless franchise until the end of time would find no joy in empty stands, zero TV ratings, a lack of jersey sales and the vacancy of excitement around the team that only true fans can create.

In fact, without the type of fans that care enough to say, “we,” the world of modern sports as we know it would not exist. There would be no need for the games, 24 hour sports programming or even websites much like the one that give Chris Jones a forum for his thoughts on sports. If sports were merely about what happens on the field, then there would be no need for coverage and analysis beyond the field. Without the “we” fans, the 24/7 craving for any and all things sports simply vanishes, and so do the entities it supports.

The Seahawks acknowledge the contributions of their fans.

Let’s say for a minute, however, that sports teams really don’t require fans at all. Is this really the measuring stick we use in life to determine whether one has the right to use a personal pronoun? No family needs or requires a newborn baby. In fact, one could argue that no single member of a family is truly necessary in order for the family to exist, but every family member is still a part of the family. No one would argue that individual family members have no right to the use of “we” when discussing the family. Regardless of their tangible contribution, family is family.

Jones continues his point by saying that this usage of “we” would simply be absurd when applied to other forms of entertainment, such as music. He claims that the “closest analogy to a sports team is to a band you might love.” Personally, I think it’s absurd that he would even begin to go there.

Music is incredible, it’s a universal language that does, in its own way, create a sense of community that allows people to bond over a common interest, much like sports. But the relationship one has with a band can in no way compare to that of a sports team. If this analogy was even close to valid, MTV would still be about music. Music fans wouldn't have multiple favorite bands, in the same way true sports fans can not have multiple favorite teams of the same sport.

Sure, you can invest your personal resources to follow a band and prove your support for them, but when is the last time any Ohio State fan left a concert feeling the same high he or she felt after the 2003 Fiesta Bowl? Or feeling the same low they felt after the 2009 USC game? Bands and concerts are great; however, they are no sports teams and sporting events. Anyone who would claim the similarities are striking enough to draw that analogy, probably never has been a “we” kind of fan anyway.

Jones rests his case on the point that “we” is reserved for participants, not observers… and fans are merely observers. Would Jones tell fans at an LSU night game, members of “The Black Hole,” or the Cameron Crazies that what they are doing is merely “observing”? The home field advantage of Autzen Stadium would never be a point of debate if the Ducks fans there did nothing beyond observe the game. The Seattle Seahawks would have never presented a game ball to the 12th Man after an OT win over the Giants in 2005 if they didn’t feel the crowd’s noise didn’t contribute to eleven false starts and three missed field goals by the opponent. White Outs and Paternoville would have never come into existence if these things had zero impact. Defensive players would never raise their arms in an attempt to get the crowd going if they didn’t feel the difference.

Furthermore, there are instances in sports where fans truly do become more than just an audible witness to the game. Would Jones argue that Steve Bartman has legitimized his right to the word, “we” when discussing the Cubs because he has touched a ball in play? Would Bartman’s right to “we” also extend to the Marlins, seeing as how he “participated” along with them in that game as well?

The Cameron Crazies distract rival UNC.

By Jones’ logic, a split second decision (or lack thereof) by Bartman not only shifted the proper word choice for him from “they” to “we,” but did so for two teams in the same moment. By Jones’ logic, Bartman has more right to “we” than the entire Block O section of the Horseshoe. More right to “we” than the 12th Man at Texas A&M.

Granted, he allows an exception for any student whose fees help fund the team… but what if they don’t? Then those students aren’t a part of “we”? Assuming tuition money made its way over to the athletic department, then ticket and jersey sale dollars mean less than those tuition dollars? What Jones doesn’t really get is that the “we” in sports goes deeper than something a forensic accountant could decipher. Pardon the fan girl moment here, but it’s much more special than that. It isn't so black and white.

My conclusion? Only you can define your relationship with your team. If when you say “we” it’s because you honestly think you were down on the field that day, then I suggest you seek help. If you honestly think the team would cease to exist once you are gone, all I can do is tell you that you’re wrong.

But, if you’re the type of fan that has poured your heart and soul into this passion of yours, the type of fan that doesn’t switch to “they lost” when things are rough, and distributes the “we” evenly among the good and the bad... then say "we" all you want. It's your right.

Who is Chris Jones to tell you that the moment a kid from Pennsylvania announces he will be attending “The University of Ohio State” he becomes more “we” than you? If the rules of sports fandom could be dictated, we wouldn’t be living in the modern sports world Jones speaks of. It wouldn't be as special, and it's rather sad that Jones fails to see this, as I imagine he is, in some way, a sports fan. For Jones' sake, however, I hope he has fun playing 12th Man at his next concert of choice.

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BED's picture

Superb.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

frozen buckeye's picture

I use "we" when referring to tOSU teams because I graduated from the school.  The team reps the school, right?  Not to mention the collective 12th man (or 6th man, soon) advantage at home games.  I use "they" when referring to the other team that I support, the Cavs, because I'm not from Cleveland. 

 

Sounds like what's-his-name Jones is trying to make waves by shaking the cages of sports fans everywhere.  Yawn. 

Elika's picture

Agreed on most of your points, however, I personally fell into the "we" trap when referring to the Buckeyes before I stepped foot on campus. My parents were alums and it was something I grew up with. Did I think the team cared whether I, specifically, was a fan or not? No. But I would make the argument that the difference that makes OSU and athletic programs like it more special than the rest is the sense that the fans are a part of something greater than the individual. My bond with OSU was too strong before becoming a student, to become any stronger simply because I became a student.

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

Doc's picture

"We" as a student or an alumn is perfectly acceptable.  We have as much "invested" in the university as anyone else.

"Say my name."

pioneer92's picture

Personally I use "we" every chance I get with OSU and I did not attend the University. I grew up a huge fan but when college came around wanted to play football more than anything, was no where near good enough for D1 and so I went to D3 Marietta College. Cheered for OSU every Saturday (missed a few games due to my own) but haven't missed one since I graduated and moved to North Carolina. First thing I did here was seek out local Buckeye Fans. I feel closer connected to OSU then I do my actual Alma Mater.

And I agree with using "they" for other teams you may root for occasionally. I use "they" for Browns, Cavs, and Indians.

Buckeye Chuck's picture

 Of course, any team can stand to lose a handful of fans, except for possibly the Miami Hurricanes.

Or the Blue Jackets. When what is basically the worst franchise ever then proceeds to have its worst season ever, it's a sign of the apocalypse on a par with wild animals loose in the streets of Zanesville.

Sports fandom is essentially irrational and I assume Bill Simmons knows this, so I can't understand what the point of Jones's column is. For my own part, I think excessive "we"-ness is obnoxious, especially when a fan seems to believe that his team's success says something about him personally. Rooting for the Yankees and their billion championships doesn't make you a great human being; in fact, I would suggest that unless you live in the greater New York area, it more likely points you out as a major d-bag (hi, LeBron).

When it comes to college sports, there are different levels of fan involvement, because there you have the actual members of the Buckeyes, the current students who are friends with and (in theory) classmates of the current players, university alumni such as myself, and finally, the generic Buckeye fan you see around Columbus who has never attended the school and possibly never been to a game. Ohio State will always be my school, so I feel few qualms about referring to the team as "we" even though I never played.

But I tend to switch back and forth between "we" and "they"/"the Buckeyes." You have to go with what feels right at a given time.

The most "loud mouth, disrespect" poster on 11W.

Rfahncke's picture

I am a BUCKEYE.  It's that simple.

I was BORN a Buckeye. I will DIE a Buckeye. 

The Buckeyes are OUR team. Like it or not they represent ALL Ohioans.  We are they...and they are we.  They represent us.  We represent them.

 

Together, WE ARE BUCKEYE NATION! Go Bucks!

"Have you earned your buckeye today?"

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

pass the kool-aid, bro..it's almost midnight :p

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Denny's picture

Oh no, don't drink kool-aid after midnight.

Taquitos.

NC_Buckeye's picture

Amen RFA. It's Anthropology 101. Our tribe identifier is in the the shape of a cannabis leaf. It's a secret club down here in Raleigh. All I have to do is wear an Ohio State tshirt and eventually someone walking past me will say O-H.

I worked for the Univ of Akron a long time ago. Had a grad asst working for me who was doing a dual MBA/Law degree with the hopes of becoming a sports agent someday. He tried to pull this "we" bullshit on me; that I wasn't a member of the team and should refrain from using the term "we". My reply was along the line of what RFA wrote above. The out-of-state players get a pass into our tribe while on the team but aren't full members until they graduate.

joel121270's picture

Couldn't have said it better myself.......Because I am not a student or an alum doesn't mean I don't love TOSU any less than those who went. I am happy for them for having the PRIVILEGE to go to TOSU.

I really don't see the point behind this whole piece because I am going to say "we", "they", "who dat", "who day", "WTF"....

All I know is I am a loyal fan born in this great state and have been each and every day of my 40 year exsistance(sp?).

Well said RF WE ARE BUCKEYE NATION!

klfeck's picture

I couldn't have said it better myself. I was born in Ohio, have lived here most of my life and the Buckeyes are my state school. It's where I am from. It's my home team. No one has a problem when talking about being from the US and saying we, or our, or us? Same thing.

My State, my friends, my family, my home, my team. Those of us born in Ohio are Buckeyes at birth. The team represents the state, not the other way around. Ask yourself why you are a little ashamed or embarrased by the recent controversy at tOSU. It's because "they" represent us, our home, our families and our state.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

btalbert25's picture

I hate the use of WE when referring to sports teams.  I do it on here when commenting a lot, and when I realize I do it I'm thinking you look like such an idiot.  I'm not out there playing the game or coaching, i'm sitting on my couch watching it.  When I talk about Ohio State football or the Reds baseball I never say we, not sure why it's so easy to type it when I post on the blogs but it just comes out that way.

My friends who like UK basketball always say we need to do this or we need that guy, or we almost won.  I'm thinking no, they almost won!  Pet Peeve of mine

Elika's picture

Personally, I think the reason you do it when commenting is the same many say it out loud... it's a natural reaction. When watching a game you have any emotional investment in, you naturally take an "us vs. them" mentality. During THE GAME, I refer to Michigan as "they"... I'm expected to do the same for the Buckeyes? This implies I think I actually have made some difference in the output on the field?

How firm thy friendship... OH-I-O!

BucksfanXC's picture

See I think it's stupid to assume when a fan uses we that they mean they are a part of the team, toiling on the field, etc. I use we, I never played for OSU, hell I never went to OSU. But I've been a Buckeye fan forever. When I say we in a conversation, it's because I'm too lazy to continually use the teams full name before a they or a them. It's just plain easier to say we. I'm not trying to claim their achievements, I'm just not a fan of ambigious pronouns in a sentence such as: "When Ohio State played Illinois, they looked like they could use a better head coach, because boy did their head coach make some questionable decisions." No one knows which team I'm saying had a bad head coach.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Maestro's picture

Agreed. On a site like this, where WE are almost all rampant Buckeye fans I think it is perfectly acceptable in the course of discussion.

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BucksfanXC's picture

I only use we in a context that it is obvious that I'm an OSU fan and speaking about OSU. Like on here, or to Michigan or MSU fans that I encounter on a daily basis.

I've had this conversation and debate, not just about sports teams, but about where you are from. I was born in Missouri, lived my younger years in Ohio, moved to Michigan for high school and have been here ever since. So if I speak with Michiganders who ask where I'm from (most of the time because they feel I have a "you ain't from around here" accent) I say Ohio. When I'm on a business trip or something and someone asking where I'm travelling from, I say Michigan. It all depends on context. I mean, where am I from is a question with lots of different meanings, so the answer can change depending on the context and meaning of the person asking and the reason they are asking.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Thank you.  This is a reach and a lazy arguement.  I think WE  can agree on that.

The_Lurker's picture

Nice response, Elika. The first cheer I ever did in Block O was "We are!" (clap, clap) "BUCK-EYES!" (clap clap) I probably never used "we" before my first day on campus but I wouldn't swear to that. I know I've used it ever since, although I try not to. I realize I contribute nothing to wins or losses except whatever pittance my voice adds to the noise level at the games I attend. But I do spend energy (and dollars) which may indirectly help the team. I am part of the "we" win or lose. I doubt any player feels better than I do after a win or worse after a loss - not that these things are measurable. I am part of Buckeye Nation, which exists beyond the perimeter of the field, and therefore I will continue to say "we" even though I try hard not to do so. 

awwwwwwop's picture

If all my of law school friends would stop making fun of me when the buckeyes lose, i will stop using we. Until then I will continue.  I had 7 interviews this fall that started with questions about the buckeyes.  I may not have any impact on the game, but the game sure has an impact on me.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

BucksfanXC's picture

^This. I may not have ever actually represented the OSU on the field, but they sure represent me. And for all my fellow Michiganders, whether it was in college at MSU or in high school outside of Ann Arbor, I was the Buckeye. When we lost, I got calls. When we won, no one would take my calls. I was told, "your coach and your team cheats" when Tatgate went down. And I never shy away from a loss or a scandal, I always stick up for my team. No one can tell me I'm not a fan, or shouldn't be since I didn't go there.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Denny's picture

That's because lawyers are assholes.

/drops mic

Taquitos.

awwwwwwop's picture

BTW, still job searching. not trying to brag.  still unemployed, just pointing it out. And you are damn right we are.

"Who cares? Go Bucks." - Aaron Untch

BED's picture

Same page brother.  It's tough out there.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

blazers34's picture

Just think this is a dumb argument.  Who cares how someone references their favorite team?  Why would it bother anyone else?  I have used both We and They.  Doesnt matter.

 

Chris Jones and his site are both fabulous, but this seems like low hanging fruit.

Northbrook's picture

We, the cougar, bear, monkey and me, applaud your efforts.

Bucknut-in-the-South's picture

My grandfather was the head athletic trainer at tOSU in the thirties and early forties, treating such luminaries as Jesse Owens, Bill Hoskett, Sr, and Les Horvath.  My father was a student trainer at tOSU in the late forties and early fifties, and was also the football team mascot when he was but a tyke.  I spent two seasons working for Wayne Woodrow Hayes as a trainer during my college years, and lived my first two years in the Stadium Scholarship Dormitory.  Still, I never played a down or sacrificed much beyond a few hours every day after classes.  I never wore the scarlet and gray, except as a fan.  I feel, Mr. Jones jaded opinion to the contrary, as if I have been a Buckeye "we" from the womb.  Great article, Ms. Sadeghi.  And I hope WE kick the crap out of Wisconsin a week from this Saturday.

gravey's picture

I played on a number of teams growing up.  I coach now.  I liked it when fans referred to us as a we.  I think of my wife and daughter being on the team today.  I thought of the fans as part of the team, because I thought of the team as something more than just the players.  I would not have been on the team without parents and sometime neighborhors and friends helping me get to practice, paying for equipment, driving to games.  The Buckeyes as we know them would not exist without parental involvement, nor community support.  It's silly not to think of it as a group endeavor.

Hoody Wayes's picture

It might be argued, college football is a continuation of the Civil War. One of its games - The Ohio State-Michigan Game - has an historical antecedent, "The Toledo War." Though bloodless, actual shots were fired.

With very few exceptions in the NFL, college football is almost entirely, a collection of teams representing states. College football is as much a campaign of battles between states on Saturday, in places where the game was born - where tradition is often over a hundred years old and where the passion of spectators is blood-curdling.

NFL games - especially, the day after a Saturday-ful of college football's brew of mayhem and pageantry - seem very genteel.

The writer is arguing against history.    

NW Buckeye's picture

I have always used we when referring to OSU Football - even before I went to school and joined the team.  Just always seemed like I was part of it and it was part of me.  I have other teams that I follow - the Seahawks, the Browns, even the Bengals.  Also I am still baseball fan - the Reds, the Indians, the Mariners, the Pirates.  But, I never use "we" when talking about those teams, always "they".  I will use we when referring to the basketball Buckeyes, but it feels awkard, and I generally speak about them not as they, but as the Buckeyes.  Same goes for the rest of OSU sports.

I think it really depends on the individual, if they feel there is some attachment to the team.  Although it is funny that you will find someone born in Ohio who feels justified using "we" when talking about the Buckeyes, yet use "they" or worse when talking about other schools in the state.  I mean, there are other state schools, and everyone in Ohio has just as much "ownership" of those teams as well, but few would use that as a reason to use "we" in those situations. 

Whatever you use seems to be OK regardless of Chris Jones' take.  However, I think there are quite a few fans that use "we" when the Buckeyes are dominating, and "they" when things aren't living up to their expectations.  Fair weather fans at best......  For me the Buckeyes will always be considered "we" come hell or high water.

Bucksfan's picture

I use "we" mostly when talking with friends I knew at Ohio State, and when I'm trash talking friends who went to other schools, especially Michigan.  I usually use "they" when discussing my favorite teams with most everyone else.

Also, I find using "we" when talking trash to strangers, or while drunk at a bar, or at an opposing team's stadium, or during a bowl against non-SEC competition, to be completely unacceptable. Double points off if you're wearing a jersey while you're doing it.  Quadruple points off if there are two X's in front of the L on said jersey.

But you know what?  It's naturally tribal to do this, and honestly it's probably pretty healthy.  As long as it doesn't turn violent, who cares?

BuckeyeChief's picture

The players are the team, but the fans are the franchise.

Anyone here in Chitown? Jason?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

DJ Byrnes's picture

It's also funny to watch Chris Jones lecture people about using "we" while his colleague and co-worker, Scott Raab, is openly rooting for career ending injuries.

Californian by birth, Marionaire by the Grace of President Warren G. Harding.

Qujo's picture

So my viewpoint is about the same as most... Our family were best friends with an associate athletic director (baseball!) when I was growing up about two hours outside Cbus. We use to take the family truckster the two hours three times a year and the parental units would sit in good seats and us kids would sit with the Freshmen players who weren't allowed to play in those days.
The environment was such that how couldn't we feel like tOSU wasn't "our" team. This was before the Bengals were in existence and it was 4.5 hours to Cleveland to see the Browns ( btw I also say we when I talk about the Browns - more on that later)...

I ended up playing college football at UT (Toledo) because I wanted to play so bad but wasn't quite big enough for Big Ten play... (wide receiver 5'9" - 165lbs and 4.5 40). The fact that I grew up all my life following the Bucks and just cause I wasn't big enough to play for them doesn't make me not a Buckeye fan and nor a reason not to say "we" when referring to them (us). So when your kid says we when speaking of the Browns or Bengals do you tell them it isn't appropriate?

Finally everyone I know who still follows the Browns still say "we"... Is jones suggesting we should stop following pro football ( the #1 sport in America ) it is they and not we? Why did the sport become #1? because of the association with each's beloved team... Not because of helmet styles or team colors...

My guess is Mr. jones is a political correct guy and IMO we have all learned it is not safe nor natural to follow or associate with them ( er, they)!

"Tough times don't last, tough people do" - Gregory Peck

Tonga Buckeye's picture

No one is going to take the "WE" away from me!  "WE won national titles,"WE"won BIG ten championships!  WE ARE OHIO STATE!  

"go not where the path may lead, rather go where there is no path and leave a trail"

Scott's picture

I think "we" is especially appropriate for us. With chili dogs in the Cincinnati, perogies in Cleveland, Tony Paco's in Toledo, fish fries along Lake Erie, and German cuisine in Columbus, the state doesn't have a uniting food like pasties and cherry pie in Michigan or peaches in Georgia. With the Reds, Bengals, Browns, and Indians, not to mention a non-central NBA team, our professional allegiances are largely split. With eight urban centers that boasted populations of over 100,000 in the 1950's, numerous television media markets, and multiple major newspapers, our news, information, and focus aren't central.

We are a diverse state, but the one thing that unites us throughout is Ohio State.

Class of 2008

OSUNeedles's picture

I wee on myself sometimes, too... I'm so happy to know I'm not alone...

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

all the cool kids are doing it. if you don't wee yourself you aren't the coolest

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I use "we" when the team is playing well and then "they" for games like Miami or 2nd half Nebraska. Just like when the dog does something wrong I tell my wife "look what your dog did."

I use we, but think about it as being weird and almost correct myself. I'm also one of those guys that think wearing a jersey is wrong and slightly creepy tho.

yrro's picture

I use "we" because I identify with the team. Because I'm part of the big tribal fantasy we're all engaging in when we watch college sports. Sports mean nothing if they're just 22 guys on a field throwing a ball. They mean something because of the collective hopes and passions of a hundred thousand screaming fans in a stadium, and thousands more watching at home. "We" isn't the Ohio State Football team. "We" is Buckeye Nation.

btalbert25's picture

I read above that college football is a representation of states, and I agree with that, perhaps that's why I never use we.  I'm from Kentucky, I like where I live, but I'm not a proud Kentuckian or anything.  Much as I wouldn't be a proud Ohioan or New Yorker etc.  It's just where I live to me.  I don't hate it, but I don't love my Kentucky roots, whatever that means.  I find when I go to Columbus, that it's really not much different there than it is here.  In fact, Columbus and Cincinnati are much more like my hometown than my hometown is to Moorehead or Hazard or Paducah would be and those are in the same state.

So for me, love for the Buckeyes has nothing to do with where I'm from and everything to do with latching on to the program when I was young and falling in love with all the traditions of game day, and the horseshoe, the buckeye leaves on the helmet, etc.  That may be why I have no problem referring to the team as Ohio State in conversations than to say well WE are going to win next week, or We have a ton of talent etc.  Where on this site, most say we, We are a community of fans so it comes natural to refer to the team as WE.

ShowThemOhiosHere's picture

My argument is this - if sports fandom is essentially irrational, then it's perfectly rational to be irrational.  I will refer to the Buckeyes as we because they are my team and my alma mater.  Hell, I've gone to probably 90% of home games over the last decade.  I've been around the environment.  I never took the field or helped the football team win, but I'll be damned if when the Buckeyes are playing, I'm doing anything other than watching the game and cheering for my team.  With no other team do I feel the need to watch every game start to finish.  With no other team has my voice been hoarse by the end of the game.  With no other team has the outcome of a game affected my mood for the rest of the day and possibly the day or two after.  I have ten times more passion for the Buckeyes than I do for the Bengals, Indians, Cavs, and Blue Jackets COMBINED.  I feel the we connection.  So, Chris Jones, I have two words for ya! 

Class of 2010.

flipbuckeye's picture

I don't see why people get up in arms about it. I agree with your sentiment. Let people decide what level of fandom they want to embody. Who is anyone else to criticize? It's not affecting your life. No need to get butthurt. Get over yourself.

Also, the music analogy was incredibly dumb. You don't say "we" in music because there is no competition, no us vs them mentality.

I use "we" when I'm among fellow Buckeye fans/alum. Otherwise I use "they" because no one else in the room can relate.