Monday Skull Session

By DJ Byrnes on October 17, 2011 at 6:00a
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Today is October 17th, 2011. DeVier Posey is still imprisoned and--miraculously--Gene Smith still has a job. Though, those omens aside, it would appear we are once again in the good blessings of the notoriously fickle football gods. This weekend, Ohio State got to pull the guillotine lever on the Fighting Ron Zooks, and Michigan got "beat up" by their kid brother once again. Did anybody else suddenly get a lot more excited for the bi-annual pillaging of Ann Arbor this year? I can't wait to put my Chuck Taylors on their cursed soil and breathe their fecal-spore infested air particles through my SARS mask. May have to live-blog it.

Am I getting jacked-up over a road win against an overrated #17 ranked coached by Ron Zook? Yes, yes I am.

THE TALE OF A RENEGADE BOOSTER. Bill Lubinger of the Plain Dealer brings the lumber in a piece on the suddenly out-of-favor Ohio State booster Bobby DiGeronimo. It sheds some light on the world of college boosters, whom collegiate athletics need to stay churn profits, and how they must be kept at arms-length from the players. (Again, DeVier Posey is getting absolutely hosed by The Ohio State University on this one).

LOL--REMEMBER THE BCS? YEAH, THEY'RE STILL AROUND. With all the "scandals" erupting around college football days shedding light on the fact that the NCAA is a complete farce, I had completely forgotten about another complete farce: the BCS. They released their first rankings of the 2011 season last night. (1) LSU (2) Alabama (3) Oklahoma (4) Oklahoma State. Obviously, the winner of LSU/Alabama will get the right to beat the winner of the Oklahoma/Oklahoma State clash by 24 points on a nationally televised night game while Brett Bielma shakes his rattle in anger at being left-out of wherever it is they're playing the national title game this year.

Once the players start getting some of their rightful TV money and playoffs wash-over D-1 football, my moral conscience will be cleansed of this sport. (And yes, college football playoffs are awesome).

"HERE OL BALL COACH, HOLD THIS HERE PRETENCIOUS JERSEY UP AND POSE WITH IT"Might be game over, Ol' Ball Coach.

TERRELLE PRYOR IS ONE HEARTBEAT AWAY FROM THE PRESIDENCY. Not really, but via Jason Campbell breaking his collarbone against the Cleveland Browns, Terrelle Pryor finds himself backing-up the immortal Kyle Boller. It's timely, since Terrelle Pryor is fresh off his ridiculous 5-game NFL suspension; though the Raiders are rumored to be pushing for a Carson Palmer trade. (Since we're at a juxtapose with Ohio State and my Cleveland Browns--consider me off the Urban-Meyer-to-OSU swag-wagon. No, I am now firmly convinced we need to go pluck another analyst from ESPN: Eric Mangini. And yes, I'm 110% dead serious with this. Long live Eric Mangini).

MARCUS LATTIMORE'S ACL TAKES ITS LIGAMENTS AND GOES HOME. Marcus Lattimore has torn his ACL and is out for the year. I know people always talk about "boat-loads of money these guys will eventually make it pro", but Marcus Lattimore provides a sad example of just how rocky that road is. What if Marcus is never the same after this? And he can't at least market himself now?

THE HONEY BADGER RAGES ON. Tyrann Mathieu fever continues to sweep the nation. I've been afflicted for about about a month now and I can't wait for the Browns to draft him with the #3rd pick in the 2013 draft. But you know, after reading this... I doubt Tyrann Mathieu has ever had a meal comped when he goes out to eat around Baton Rouge:

"Honey Badger for Heisman," is on the marquee at a local restaurant. "Don't mess with the Honey Badger," another billboard in Baton Rouge reads.

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Nik's picture

I've been gone almost two weeks and just now got internet access.  Is Posey really in jail?  If so, can someone explain to me what the heck happened?  Especially with that comment about him getting hosed by the university

doodah_man's picture

No, that was a metaphore...he got an additional 5 game suspension for being overpaid by the same booster that got the players in trouble for the charity event...

Jim "DooDah" Day
It is hard to play dirty against a man who picks you up.

Normal Buck's picture

. . .even though Larry James apparently has evidence that exonorates him. . .

JoshAlum's picture

With all this talk of coaches all over the place, nobody seems to evaluate the idea that Luke might keep his job with the ultimatum he dumps the entire offensive staff. 

Who is out there that might be interested in the OC job? Could Hazell be pulled back with the right paycheck? Any positional coaches in the NFL have ties to Ohio State? You know, find a real QB coach, make him OC, and let him hire a staff. Or an O-line coach? Or hell, let Orlando Pace do it, they say offensive linemen know the defense better than anyone else, isn't that who you want calling plays? 

Doc's picture

How about Walt Harris.  Great coach, knows quatrerbacks.

"Say my name."

Bucks's picture

He'd be here within 12 hours of getting the call for the OC/QB prospect. Not that there is any great probability of Luke getting the chance to assemble his staff, but if he did I expect Walt would be pretty much the first option for him.

RBuck's picture

Last I heard, Harris was at a super small college. Just wondering how old he is and how much he has left in him.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

RBuck's picture

OK. Here's the lowdown on Harris.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walt_Harris

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Yeah, it looks like Harris is getting grumpy these days.

The idea is to find an OC on the upswing, who will work long hours. In 1995, Harris was only 39-40 years old and approaching his career peak.    

William's picture

Yeah it seems like he's imploded after his stint at Stanford. How was Texas able to get Harsin away from Boise? 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

IMO, Texas is a much better job than Boise. Maybe Harsin figures that he'll get an interview for the HC position once Mack Brown steps aside, but even if not, that move probably better sets up for Harsin a little better (compared to staying at Boise) for a HC opportunity at a mid-range program - provided that he has success in Austin.

AltaBuck's picture

I wonder if Josh McDaniels would be interested.  The guy can coach QBs (Brady and Casal), he's a proven OC  and he is from Ohio.  Played football with Kenny Peterson at Canton McKinley.

Not sure he would give up his OC job with the Rams. Maybe Vrabel could talk him into it.

I have been known on occasion to howl at the moon. - Crash Davis

William's picture

Was just thinking the same thing. Also thinking of O-line coaches, shouldn't whoever is coach next year approach Lecharles Bentley? He runs a great O-line camp, and understands everything Ohio State having been a former player.

Doc's picture

Let's not get crazy here.  Having another no experience coach is not what we need.  IF Fickell keeps his job, and that is a big IF, he needs proven coaches that know what they are doing on the offensive side of the ball.  Looks like Walt Harris has imploded from the wiki link.  The defense still is solid and a new coach would be smart keeping the defensive staff intact.  But we need a proven winner on offense.

"Say my name."

William's picture

Are you talking about McDaniels or Bentley? Because Bentley runs one of the best O-line clinics in the nation, one that a lot of previous Wisconsin O-linemen have attended like Moffit, and Carimi. The guy can coach offensive lineman.

Doc's picture

I'm not aware of how good his camp is.  I'm just saying he hasn't coached a college offensive line.  Who was LeCharles' position coach?  He may be able to coach, but he has no experience.  Having Fickell as the HC with no experience will be bad, let's not add more inexperience in on top of things.  I'm not taking shots at Bentley.  I just think he needs to get his feet wet before coming to tOSU.

"Say my name."

Run_Fido_Run's picture

I don't see cfb coaching experience as a big issue for a positional coach, unless you're anticipating that coach to be a lead guy on the recruiting trail (a la Bill Conley) or a "bigger picture" guy who will help coordinate the offense or defense more generally. 

An OL coach simply has to be a good hands-on teacher of techniques, training habits, OL teamwork principles, etc. Actually, Bentley might help in recruiting without having any recruiting experience BECAUSE he was a star in the NFL, understands the finer points of the OL game, and the players can relate to him. 

For Ohio State to consider hiring a positional coach for HC, OC, or DC, now that's a different matter. Fickell had some "executive experience" prior to assuming this interim HC role, but under normal circumstances he'd be a longshot for the job. Likewise, on a lower level, Darrell Hazel was a great receivers coach, but he'll have to prove himself as a head coach before he even gets a mid-range opportunity (at, say, a school like Illinois).    

Doc's picture

Great.  With this said, then, LaCharles would be a fine OL coach.  Anyone will be better than Bollsasaurus.

"Say my name."

William's picture

Yeah I further looked into Bentley and the guy also helped prep Anthony Castonzo and Nate Solder for the NFL draft this year. He was also recently asked by Nike to come coach at many of their high school combines. The guy is a budding star as an O-line coach.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

You've sold me, as it sounds like a win-win scenario: improve the OL coaching at Ohio State while shutting down Wisky's offseason OL clinic. But has Bentley recieved other offers and turned them down? And, if so, is he content to just run the clinics and not coach full-time?

Also, Bentley was known for having an explosive temper, wasn't he (incident with Tyson Walter)? He also sued the Browns, although maybe it was a fair complaint? Anyway, if Bentley wanted the OL coach job, we'd need to be sure that he has the right temperament to work with young men on a daily basis.

Doc's picture

Sarcasm duelly noted Fido.  I'm not trying to get in an argument with you.  I'm wanting some more info on LeCharles and his coaching resume'.  If he is the best one out there to coach the defensive line great, but if not we should look for someone with a proven history.

"Say my name."

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Possibly, if McDaniels gets fired at the end of the year (the Rams are 0-5 with a struggling offense). But somebody like McDaniels would be a mercenary, looking to move again at the earliest opportunity. I doubt that McDaniels would be a viable cfb head coach without gaining a few years experience first, but if/when he does, he won't be content being a coordinator for long.   

JoshAlum's picture

I'm OK with that. Bring him in for 2 or 3, then move him on and get another.

The QB coach for the steelers was born in youngstown. As an offensive unit they seem to be good at calling plays to their strengths, rather than just hammering the same old nail week in and week out. 

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Don't mean to ruin the suspense, but K Coleman wins the Week 6 Houndie Award!

Buckeyejason's picture

3 picks!?!? That's insane

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

for fans of the combat jerseys..sadly i can't take advantage of this because it's sizes large and up..but seems like a mistake..stick it to the man and get a great deal   $25.00 jersey   

http://store.nike.com/us/en_us/?cp=USNS_AFF_DOM_042909#l=shop,pdp,ctr-inline/cid-1/pid-455581/pgid-481793

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Buckeyebrowny919's picture

guess everyone found out..they are already sold out lol

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

Wow. If Nike really was selling those Jerseys for that price, they let some people get some AWESOME deals before realizing their gaffe. Every other store is selling them for ATLEAST $80!!

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btalbert25's picture

Had a crazy weekend and had to DVR the game and watch it much later than it occurred. I was pleasantly surprised by this game.  The defense did a great job, and the offense, I mean Boom looked really good!  I hate that Carlos Hyde is down to the number 3 back and likely won't see many carries the rest of the year though. I really think he's the 2nd best option with Boom on the field, but I guess that'll just have to wait til next year. 

How bad of a coach is Ron Zook?  I mean seriously, how does this guy keep a job?  His clock management and in game decisions make our staff look pretty good.  At least our head coach has never done this before Zook's been a head coach for how long now? 

TheHumbleBuckeye's picture

Ron Zook keeps a job because he is able to bring in unbelievable recruiting classes. So long as he gets the talent to go 9-4 every once in awhile, the "Illini Faithful" will allow him to keep his job.

Watch out for this team next year. They'll return 15 starters and really only one of those losses(Jenkins) is a significant loss. Not to mention it looks like Scheelhaase gets better every game (except Saturday of course).

Maestro's picture

Josh McDaniels and Walt Harris really?

While we are at it why don't we just lynch the current group of coaches and hire Howard Schnellenberger or Frank Solich.

vacuuming sucks

BuckeyeSki's picture

Howard Schnellenberger regrets he won't be able to accept, as he will be shooting Problem Child 4 for the foreseeable future:

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Maestro's picture

Nice

vacuuming sucks

Run_Fido_Run's picture

You forgot to mention Bill Snyder, JoePa, and Amos Alonzo Stagg.

Maestro's picture

Stagg would never come. That Chicago/OSU rivalry runs too deep.

vacuuming sucks

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Btw, I agree with you that the fans should give Fickell their full support for this year and not start packing his backs (rhetorically speaking) halfway through the season.

That said, Fickell was not hired through the full-scale selection-by-committee process. He was assigned interim coaching duties. To remain HC beyond that interim period, he must be selected (possibly by a committee) as the permanent HC basically for the first time. As interim HC he is already "interviewing" for the job while actually working the job, but that role does not give him an sort of vested rights/leverage, so to speak.

Without dismissing Fickell out-of-hand, which would be unfair, it is fair game for fans to discuss who will be Ohio State's next permanent HC. 

With that in mind, here's two names I haven't seen mentioned before: Jom Grobe and Chip Kelly; not saying I like either of these guys, just hadn't seen them mentioned yet.       

SLVRBLLTS's picture

It still hurts to hear "vest"-ed. Even in your context.

Chip Kelly just re-signed through 2016 and is already making "Ohio State money", plus they are in Nike's backyard. There isn't much incentive for him to leave that job.  

"Because we couldn't go for three"

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

Two things that should be realistically addressed, no matter what we think:

1. Fickell will not be retained.

2. OSU has already initiated a coaching search.

22buckeyebrown's picture

I have a question. So far this season, offensively we've been able, for the most part, to count on 1 position: the running backs. I know there are a lot of supporting roles envolved in the running game, but we have seen majority of our offensive production come from the running back position. I'm not exactly suggesting that we do this but asking what the likelihood of promoting RB coach Dick Tressel to OC. I like the idea of promoting from within and we have been able to count on the running game(for the most part) so far.

Optimistic Buckeye Pessimist's picture

I also like the idea of promoting from within, but I think the program needs a new direction and that direction would be away from everything Tressel.

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

I missed the game because I was at a wedding, just watched the replay. My verdict: John Simon should clone himself repeatedly and play every position.

Doug T's picture

Shane Montgomery should be the next offensive coordinator at OSU.

William's picture

Why? He never did much at Miami, and I'm not sure about his current stint at YSU, but I'm not sure that he's done anything special.