Thursday Skull Session

By Jeremy Birmingham on September 22, 2011 at 6:00a
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As it's now Thursday, the majority of the tried and true Buckeye fans that you know have hopefully turned their attention towards Colorado and away from last weekend's 60 minute long "emotional cramp" suffered by Ohio State's quarterbacks and offensive coaching staff. With that redirection of attention hopefully comes calm and perspective, a knowledge that will help put sports in their proper place, as an escape from real life, not a matter of life, death or serious consternation.

Yeah, right.

Football, to many of us is as vital to our well-being as liquor and beer, or beer and liquor, or beer and beer, whatever, you get what I am saying. We love this stuff, and that's why it takes the toll it does on our psyches when the colors  that we wear every weekend; or that fly high and proud above our homes, didn't come through for us like they have so many times in the last ten years.

Losing sucks, and we just aren't good at it. Worse yet is the fact that so often in the last ten years when the Buckeyes have lost it has often been in the most unflattering of ways.  When the Buckeyes don't win, they don't just lose, they more often than not look woefully unprepared emotionally and that makes it harder to swallow.  Anyway, moving on, right?

FAN-TASTIC? NOT SO MUCH. I certainly don't want to sit here and tell Buckeye fans how NOT to act this weekend if Joe Bauserman takes the field as the Ohio State quarterback, because I realize that many of you would never boo a college athlete, but it must be noted how the athletes (and prospective athletes on recruiting visits) are seeing the ugly side of the fanatics in the seats.

Two weeks ago, following the narrow escape against Toledo, Jake Stoneburner tweeted "it upsets me that our own fans boo us during the game..." and this past week FB Zach Boren added to that refrain, acknowledging how great Buckeye fans are, but lamenting the quickness with which they turn on their team. It's not hard to understand the frustration that Buckeye fans feel when the team underperforms in a game you paid hundreds of dollars to watch, and maybe you're booing the highly paid, woefully indecisive head coach; but that's not how it comes across to the guys on the field.

When you, the fans, boo the home team; it does nothing but demoralize the good guys, pump up the opposition and leave an ugly memory in the minds of recruits and prospects about the entire fanbase, even if it's only a smattering of naysayers who are doing the belly-aching.

Bottom line? You stay classy, Buckeye fans.

BEEBE GUNNED DOWN  Earlier this week, the University of Oklahoma made two things very clear: Dan Beebe was nothing more than a puppet for the Texas Longhorns and that if OU was to stay in the Big 12, that puppet would have to go. It appears as if Boomer Sooner got their wish, sooner rather than later, as Beebe has reportedly been working on his exit from the conference. With the Pac-12 suggesting that they would not be interested in further expansion at this time, and the Sooner ultimatum being accepted, it appears the the Big 12 will continue to exist as we currently know it.  At least for another day or so.

You don't need a can to tell you this Miller's ready

BUCKEYE QB OPTIONS Ohio State had created its game-plan for Miami with the expectation that Braxton Miller would be the starting QB in Coral Gables. For whatever reason, when the kick got closer, Luke Fickell changed his mind and decided it was better to stick with the senior. I know that sounds far-fetched, but if you are like me and re-watch every game as sobriety sets in, then you can see a number of early circumstances where plays seemed to be run with the "wrong" QB in the game. I know this sounds crazy to Buckeye fans who see the depth chart being released with "co-starters", but be prepared for the official start of the Braxton Miller era this Saturday.  It's time to ride the youngster win or lose.

THE POT CALLING THE KETTLE SOMETHING OTHER THAN A KETTLE. In this case, the pot is Luke Campbell or "Uncle Luke", formerly of Two Live Crew fame and recently for his mayoral bid in Miami. The kettle is of course Hurricane Nevin, the bite-sized booster who just wanted to be liked by the football team.  Mr. Campbell has decided it best to sue Mr. Shapiro, currently incarcerated, for slander. Campbell has asked for damages over $15,000, claiming that Shapiro's claims of Campbell being the "first" provider of illicit benefits to Da U's athletes falsely suggests that Campbell engaged illegal and immoral behaviors relative to college-age athletes." Yes, you heard it right - the writer of "Me So Horny" and "Face Down, Ass Up", the rap group that produced "Nasty As They Want To Be"; has apparently really changed his mind about being viewed as a "moral agent".

MICHIGAN MOMENT. Truth be told Buckeye fans, I didn't get to watch the UM game last weekend because I was moving to Southern California.  If you feel up to it, please let me know what you saw from the Wolverweenies against EMU and what you think will happen this weekend as they prepare to devour Brady Hoke's former team, San Diego State.

QUICK SLANTS. Cincinnati Bong-als....no matter how many times I see this, it's funny...Big Life, Big Stage, Big...Cheerleader?...It's official - Ron Artest is an idiot...greatest American-born hockey player ever (?) retires.

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Denny's picture

Any athlete who thanks their therapist on national TV after winning a ring is not an idiot. Metta World Peace 4 life.

Taquitos.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater's picture

Agreed, I'm not an Artest fan, but I do applaud him for being open about his mental illness and therapy and trying to educate people about it.   But I will never get used to that name!

acBuckeye's picture

Just a World B. Free wannabe.

Pam's picture

I agree with you. There is still so much stigma surrounding mental illness that many people, especially high powered atheltes, do not seek treatment. Guys like Artest can reach someone that perhaps a family member or co-worker could not. Depression is awful and no one should suffer needlessly.

Maestro's picture

Don't boo f###ers.

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Maestro's picture

Mike Modano was an incredible player. Steady as she goes, and as happy to make an assist as to score a goal. A great teammate and a legend in my eyes.

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BucksfanXC's picture

It is debatable to call him the greatest American player ever. He had a looooong career, but played on a lot of bad teams where he was the main scorer. I definitely think he is a slam dunk Hall of Famer, and top 10 if not top 5 American players ever. I wish he would have come home to my beloved Red Wings sooner in his career and helped them win a few extra Cups in the early 2000s. I know they sure loved him in Dallas though.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

BoFuquel's picture

This to shall pass. It will be fixed.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Bucksfan's picture

Umm, Florida fans booed Chris Leak every game in 2006 while Tebow sat mainly on the bench.  It didn't hurt the recruiting.

The Ohio State players need to shut their mouths and go score TDs.  You don't get cheered for dropping passes, missing blocks, and stalled drives.  If you want to get cheered for mediocrity, go play at Indiana or Purdue.  This is Ohio State.  If you're not putting out a championship effort, you're going to get booed.  Quit your whining and go win games like you were brought here to do.

Maestro's picture

Guess we all need to buy some jhorts now huh?

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Buckeyejason's picture

I'm not the booing type myself, but you make a good point.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

That is lame.  We are not Florida, if you like how their fans act -- jump ship.  If you boo the Buckeyes, I sure as hell won't miss you as a fan.

Bucksfan's picture

It was just an example.  And Buckeye fans do boo - it happens, you can hear it on TV.  Don't bother acting like they don't, and you aren't going to stop them by posting a comment on a blog.  But if you really want to go there, I can't tell you how many times my Facebook news feed gets littered after OSU games with people's comments about how Ohio State fans yell at you if you stand up and cheer.  So you're right, at least in some sense, that Ohio Stadium isn't the Swamp...Ohio Stadium is quiet...and the old people who go to the games like it that way.

Maybe you aren't privvy to the true reality of the gameday experience at Ohio Stadium.  Fans will boo, noise is dulled if it's not a night game/Michigan, and old people yell at you to sit your asses down.  According to you, "real" fans don't boo, "real" fans stand and cheer all the time, and "real" fans don't complain if you're standing up.  Everyone else might as well get the f*ck out.  Well, sorry, but there are 100,000+ different types of fans in that stadium on gameday.  So, maybe it's YOU who needs to find something a little more uniform if it bothers you.

Pam's picture

I have never had aother fan yell at me for standing up and cheering. I  have been at games where the entire 'Shoe stood and cheered the whole game.  The first person to tell me to sit my ass down, gets theirs handed to them.

btalbert25's picture

Every game I've ever been too, I've never had seats good enough for the Bluehairs with a ton of money to yell at me to sit down.  That being said I've been there to hear racial comments about TP or Troy and people Boo the team and Tressel. 

It wouldn't surprise me that the older fans who have donated a ton of money tell people to sit down.  I've witnessed it at other high profile programs as well. I guess it just depends on where your seats are and what your expectations are.  I always get stuck in the south stands or up top somewhere when I go.  Expect it to be a rowdier crowd.  If I would pay several hundred thousand dollars to the university each year so I could get a stellar seat, I may have more of a problem with people getting seats off E-bay, standing up all game and blocking my view.  It's hard to say.  I typically stand up and yell and carry on when something great is happening or right before a big play on D, but don't prefer to stand up the whole game.  I can understand both sides though.  It's their right to yell and your right to stand, just who caves first I suppose.

Pam's picture

Our seats are in section A. I haven't noticed any Bluehairs sitting around us which is probably why I have never been told to sit down. You have heard people make racial comments? Wow. That would put me right over the top. Hope I never experience it.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I'm a Buckeye club member and have been for a while now.  If I was paid like I want I'd sit Huntingclub at BBall games drunk off my ass too.  I don't always cheer like I should, but I am never disrespectful, especially to my own f'ing team.....

My wife got told to sit down ONCE at a game by some old lady when we were in the suites. I also sat by some "old lady" who knew her shit too.  Sat in the Illinois game in the rain with her two daughters. Like 4 rows back from the 20 on the visitors side.  If you know her, she is awesome. While the pansy fans ran for cover, she sat out in it and made her two girls sit in it too.  Knew every player bro.  Knew positions, alignments, and the game better than most.  Some "old ladies" might be better Buckeyes than you......

Those who are too old to stand and yell their asses off get a pass.  They take their old pain-stricken asses to the games.  That in itself is impressive.  I love the old Buckeyes, they know what being a fan means.  I never forget in New Orleans watching the really old alum walking by the stripclubs.  That was awesome. 

Boo you own team if you want, but that's for cheesy rednecks, IMO.  But if some dude checks your ass for booing his team like a lil' unclassy bitch, just make sure it's not.....Jeremy.  I've heard he doesn't take kindly to that kind of behavior.

Bucksfan's picture

Good Lord, get off it, bro...Ohio State fans are not some sort of model for classy spectatorship.  We never have been, and frankly, we never will be.  I don't even know where you would look to get that sort of experience...maybe at Augusta National?  And even then, not even golf fans in the U.S. are the classiest.  Look at the Phoenix Open event every year - fans boo the shit out of golfers if they don't hit the green on their t-shot on the par-3 16th.  If the U.S. Open is in New York, fuhgettaboutit.

I guess you can say what we have these days is an improvement over the Woody Hayes era, for example, where fans would hang Woody in effigy and race issues between players and fans threatened to destroy the team entirely.  But get real.  I don't see fans throwing empty bottles on the field, or booing Santa Claus, or things like you'd see in Philly or Cleveland (btw, I am a Browns fan nowadays).  But, I certainly have seen riots, cars tipped over and burned, dumpster fires outside my house, opposing fans get accosted and berrated in front of children, and Lane Avenue completely covered in beer cans...all because of a football game.

I think you need a reality check.  You can call someone who boos "unclassy" all you want.  But it's Ohio State.  It's like yelling at one cloud to stop raining during a thunderstorm.  I just don't have a problem with it.  For the most part, it's fine, but some of you need to stop acting like Ohio State fans should be expected not to voice their displeasure when the coaching staff can't pick a QB, it's simply not in our character.

Pam's picture

Florida fans were wrong to do that just as they were when they yelled racial epithets at Leak along with the booing.

Matt's picture

It is more than okay to boo highly compensated, highly ineffectual coaching staffs -- it is our birthright as Buckeyes and no one can convince me otherwise.  But I think that it is in poor taste and counterproductive to boo the players.  Since you can't simply direct your boos at the coaches and not the players, it's probably better to leave well enough alone.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

If you are booing Fick for playing Baus, aren't you really booing Baus anyway?

burkmon's picture

You are correct when you say "boo highly compensated" coaches AND players.  Boo those in the NFL all you want.  These young *college* men are out there for the love of football.  No guarantees of a big NFL pay out.  There is no distinction between booing the coaching staff and booing our players when you are on the receiving side.  Grow up.  BTW, I was at the Miami game, and Hurricane fans were really (beyond) rude, both before and after the game.  I remember the same thing being said about us after the Texas game.  How embarrassing.  Be bigger than this... we are tOSU.

 

SCBuckeye's picture

The offense will do fine once Miller is the QB, Posey, Adams and Boom come back. Miller will take his lumps but his mechanics and poise are very good. Millers turnovers are a case of the nerves, which will disappear with experience. Defenses will have to cover both Posey and Stoney and with Boom back that allows Hall to become more of a pass threat. With at least three threats out there, it will spread out the defense and allow for some pass plays. Not to mention that the QB is a heck of a runner! Which makes the D stay a little closer to the line of scrimmage. This is of course is dependent on it being Miller Time.

James 1:27

Squirrel Master's picture

I do have to say the fumble in the Miami game was because of a lack of experience. He was carrying the ball like a loaf of bread. He will learn how to avoid that with playing time. He will learn all these things just like Pryor had to learn. Bauserman will not however learn how to be accurate and be able to lead a team as a starting QB. He just is not that good. Braxton must start from now on.

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

BoFuquel's picture

GO BUCKS !

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

Bucks's picture

Sorry, no. While it may be understandable to have moments of frustration, it isn't like this team has had high projections. We're coming off the worst off-season imagineable, have suspensions galore including our main offensive production, lost the starting QB, have a brand new coach that while he was being groomed to take over it happened too early & coaching staff on one side of the ball that may not be who Fickell wants.

Going nutzo about Fire Fickell, booing the players or coaches & flipping out about a program 3 games in, is frankly sad.

 

I want Braxton as the starter no doubt. There seem to be a few legitimate reasons why that hasn't happened yet. I'm withholding my opinions on Fickell & this team until we're further in. Improvement is what I want. Booing every single thing that the viewers don't like, is not.

Maestro's picture

Brilliant.

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btalbert25's picture

Booing the coach still deflates the players.  I don't think anyone is calling for standing ovations when a guy drops the ball, but it's not like the players aren't giving effort.  It's one thing if everyone is dogging it on plays or is lazy on the field, it's a totally different thing when they just don't make a play. 

We've got a ton of young, inexperienced players and key positions.  They are going to drop balls, miss blocks, fumble, etc.  Sure tickets aren't cheap, but no one is forcing any of the fans to buy those tickets.  They players put in 100's of hours of work, way more than we have to work to pay for our 75 dollar tickets. 

We talk about players having an entitlement attitude, but the fans are worse.  Just because you spent money on a jersey with a kids number, or paid 75 (or more) for tickets doesn't mean you have the right to rip a kid you never met a new one.  Perhaps it's some pent up hostility because you could've been a star if coach would've put you in the title game back in 85.  Who knows.  It just says more about the person ripping a kid a new one, than it does the kid who has put in so much work and made a mistake on the field. 

I never reached the level of play that any of these kids have, but when I played sports, I felt bad enough when I screwed up on the field, I certainly didn't need 105,000 reminding me that I sucked on that play.  Nor would I expect to be praised.  I don't mind the players stepping up and defending themselves, however I'd much rather see the coach going to bat for his guys, after all He's a MAN!  He's Almost 40!

pompano buckeye's picture

That! +1

“...indomitable in victory, insufferable in defeat.” Woody Hayes

Jdadams01's picture

The thing about Miller in the Miami game is that they stuck him in there when we were down two scores. I'm sure he felt he HAD to push it and make something happen. That pass that was tipped looked forced and the run where he fumbled, he looked over anxious. Sticking a true freshman in on the road is a pressured situation already, but yanking him back and forth and then sticking him in there when we are down to an athletic defense on the road was just begging for the freshman mistakes to come out. Fickell has handled Braxton about as terribly as possible. You can't expect him to produce unless you allow him to get some comfort and chemistry in the offense. Hopefully this week we'll see it.

BoFuquel's picture

I still say Brax starts at IL and leads us to our 3rd loss.

I wish I didn't know now what I didn't know then.

BucksfanXC's picture

Illinois scares the crap out of me. We always struggle there, they have a good team this year that we cannot underestimated just because it's Zooker and he'll always have a choke up his sleeve. But we have to go to Champaign for the second year in a row thanks to re-scheduling due to the Nebraska addition. I think Illini might beat us. I'm more scared of them than I am of MSU.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

Buckeyejason's picture

Seriously...we have to play a bunch of pain in the ass QB's this year that could tease us with the ability to break long runs in Schielhouse(spelling?) Denard, and Taylor Martinez.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

Great points by everyone.

What the hell is a boo anyway? The word itself is childish and to scream it out loud at people seems pretty retarded in itself..overthinking myself as usual.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Kalamazoo Steve's picture

Does yelling "PULL YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS" constitute a boo?  If so, guilty as charged.

Maestro's picture

I don't think that qualifies. A boo is usually part of a group effort that everyone in the stadium is well aware of.

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Run_Fido_Run's picture

During the Buckeyes recent rough patch (after Toledo and the Miami debacle), some of the more "realist" Buckeye fans have treated us to their unsentimental, critical analysis of the myriad of problems afflicting the program. These monday morning QBs love the Buckeyes as much as any other fans - including the delusional optimists, with their rose-colored glasses - but these critics have no choice but to "keep it real."

Thanks to these astute critics, we've already learned, only three games into the season that:

  • Fickell does not have what it takes to be the permanent coach; he is like "a deer in the headlights"; it would have been impossible for any other coach to have handled Miller any worse than Fickell did.
  • The team is about to lose four games in a row, on the way to a 6,7 or even 8-loss season, the worst team at Ohio State in 75 years.
  • The new WR coach is incompetent.
  • Fire Bollman immediately
  • Etc.

My question, though: if we're committed to being brutally critical about our shortcomings, then - as part of this healthy process of taking stock of our weaknesses and thinking of ways to correct them - perhaps we should extend our critical analysis to all areas of the program. Including, for example, the fan base. Afterall, every bit of improvement can help the program.

Okay, in the interest of keeping it real, then: on a pound-for-pound basis (in other words, I'm asking about quality, not quantity), where does the Ohio State fan base rank overall among all 120 div. 1aa football programs, in terms of performance? Not to sound negative, or anything, but I'm going to start the bidding at about 46 out of 120. In other words, there are about 45 other superior fan bases out there (classier, more loyal, louder on a per person basis, more fun to be around, less whiny, less bitchy, less likely to burn a sofa, etc.).

Now, don't attack the messenger. I'm merely trying to point the way to improvement.            

   

Maestro's picture

I see your 46 and raise you about 25. I think we are definitely in the top 25 at worst.

I understand where you are coming from though. It's hard to sit back and read all the negativity.

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Squirrel Master's picture

Instead of calling out a number why don't you actually create a list of schools that you think have better fan bases!

EX:

1. Alabama

2. Oregon

3.....

 

Is Alabama really #1? Who is? Is it really possible that 45 other teams have better fans? You do know you are talking about the likes of Texas A&M and Louisville. You think we as fans are worst then them?

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Jdadams01's picture

And what determines the quality of a fan base? Is it how they travel? If so we are easily top 5. Is it how they sell out the stadium? Again, top 5. Is it how they defend the team to outsiders? I'd say top 5 again. Is it how they donate and support the university financially. Ohio State will never be short of dough, for many reasons.

Or are you just talking about how we handle the successes and failures of the team? Because if you are thinking we don't handle losses or turmoil well, then you are spot on. We handle it terribly. BUT, don't you think that one of the reasons we have the tradition and success that OSU does, is because there is always fanbase expectations and drive? Players go to Ohio State knowing about the tradition and expectations. Coaches even more so. Now, I'm not saying this means it's okay to boo or whatever, but I also think that if fans are negative on the outlook of a coach or season, there's nothing wrong with it. Afterall, what other "top 25 fanbase" would not be negative after that Miami game? Texas, Bama, Michigan, Penn State, Florida, USC, Oklahoma, LSU, etc... all of their fans would've thought and said similar things. The only fans that don't have similar reactions to our fans are the ones who don't expect much out of their team.

btalbert25's picture

All major programs think their fans are the best, and at the same time the group of fans are the reason people hate that program.  Do Ohio State fans travel a lot, donate a ton of people, sell out their stadium?  So do the fans from about 30 other football programs.  We're no different than fans from Texas, Bama, Michigan, etc.  I've seen the same thing out of UK basketball.  I know someone personally who basically donated a million dollars to the school to get seats on the floor at Rupp Arena. 

So yeah, we have a whiny, entitled portion of fans, just like everyone else does.  We have the asshole fans who will punch someone in the face because they talk bad about Ohio State.  We have arrogant fans who talk down to other people about their programs or belittle other programs too.

I guess what I'm saying is, we have great fans and terrible fans.

Squirrel Master's picture

Exactly and to blindly rank which fans are better and which are not will never work!

and to say just because we are fickle fans does not make us bad fans!

I saw a UFO once.......it told me to have a goodyear!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The 46 number was purely arbitrary. I was trying to make a point and maybe tweak a few negative nellies in the process. We have a top 10-15 fan base. 

My point was that many Buckeye fans expect perfection from the team and coaches and heaven forbid the team falls short of perfection, these particular fans will lambaste the team; however, they'd never think to apply anywhere near such high standards to themselves. Heck, even questioning the notion of "best damn fans in the land" is blasphemy.

Yet, the quality of fan support does matter. When a home team is losing momentum to a tough opponent - say, they're down 13-24 late in the 3rd Q, after leading 13-7 at the half - that is the moment when rabid fan support is most needed, yet too often in such situtations, Ohio Stadium goes quiet.

When Jake Stoneburner is bothered by the boos, that has an effect.

Many of our imperfect fans have already decided that Fickell should be sent packing and that Bollman is a bum. Okay, but why don't they ever try to improve on those things over which they have the most control?       

btalbert25's picture

I agree with what you are saying, but I also think you still have the right to believe a certain guy isn't cut out for the job or a certain QB isn't adequate enough to start at a major D 1 School.  If anyone was really honest with themselves coming into this season they would have to recognize it would be quite a feat to make it through this season with only 3 losses. 

There in may be the problem.  I came into this year thinking 4-6 losses, with the possibility of only 1-3 with the level of talent this team had.  I don't, however, think it makes you a whiny entitled fan just for pointing out that to this point the coach has appeared to be in way over his head and Bauserman is not the answer.  It's not unreasonable to make this observation at this point in the year.  We have a whole season to watch this team and to be sure the team will improve and the coach will hopefully get better as the season goes along. 

I've been critical of this team so far, but not because I expected the team to go undefeated.  I have reasonable expectations for the team, as I mentioned above.  I think it's reasonable to question the coach at this point too.  Just like I think it's possible to support the guy but also think he may not be the guy for the job. I don't want him to fail.  I want him to get better, and if that happens he should get a crack at the job. 

btalbert25's picture

Yeah I've never been around a team or program that didn't have fickle fans. We only remember the worst experiences from fans.  I personally want UK to lose every game the play because of 2 idiot fans who went apeshit on me because I had the audacity to say that I didn't like one of their former coaches.  They were about to get violent.  I have dozens of friends and family that went to UK or love UK who are great people, but despite their feelings I want that team to lose every time because of the 2 idiots who tried to get physical about a sports team.  That's the problem, people get their identity and life so wrapped up into something that should be fun and a diversion from the crappy day to day grind of work and stress. 

I get disappointed when my Reds have a bad season or the Buckeyes lay a turd like last Saturday night, but I refuse to let it dictate how I treat other people or ruin my precious 2 days off of work lol. 

Scott K's picture

The same people who boo at a sporting event are the same people who feel they must scream at a concert, especially when the band is trying to quiet things down (ala Phish going a cappella). 

There's only one word for folks like that in my book:  LAME

Go Bucks!

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Scott K's picture

They're also the same idiots who paint their faces/bodies, dress up in ridiculous costumes, and make the rest of our fan base look bad.

I'm talking directly to you Mr Buckeye/Bucknut...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Buckeyejason's picture

Buckeye Nation..that's all I have to say.

What other program besides Notre Dame can have an influence across the country..hell even across the world.

Questioning the fans is about as dumb as it gets. Who fills the stadiums with hard earned money? Who buys the merchandise and goes on the blogs to show how much of a fanatic they are? The fans.

No fans= no one in the stands, which = no money to fund a football program.

BUCKEYES BABY!

OSUNeedles's picture

With the inexperience of both the staff & players this year (esp the 1st 5 games), there are obviously going to be growing pains. OSU has had a decade of dominance that has caused us all to behave, just a wee bit, like spoiled little brats... I hate losing, & I hate seeing players & coaches look unprepared, but I would also hate to think of what it would feel like to have people booing me at a new job when I asked where they kept the extra staples... Hopefully the youth of this team now provides greatness in the future, & hopefully Braxton will get us heading in the right direction.

razrback16's picture

Here is my take on the booing.

If the coaches were honest with outsiders with regard to the depth chart, they would take away the fans' right to boo. But when they are listing Miller OR Bauserman on there, people come and they expect to at least see Miller a decent amount in games. When they get stuck watching the worst QB (by far) on the roster for most of the game (especially when he's obviously inept), it pi$$es them off and rightfully so. Tickets are not cheap. The booing is 100% on the coaching staff. Make good decisions and you won't run into it.

A co-worker came up to me yesterday and gave me the business card of someone they use to get tickets for various sporting events and asked me if I'd be interested in buying tickets. My response was that it's possible I will look into buying some later in the season, but as long as there is even a remote chance of these coaches being ridiculously blind enough to continue starting Bauserman (or even playing him for more than just garbage time), I will not be purchasing tickets. If someone gave me free tickets I still wouldn't go because I won't pay the price of parking to watch this guy play. So what the coaches need to do is list Bauserman as the starter and Miller as the #2 if they are indeed going to continue this madness. If they did this, then hopefully people who don't want to see Bauserman wouldn't go to the games, and you wouldn't see the booing (or at least not as much) occur.

Matt's picture

I really don't think we should cheer this decision by the coaches.  If we cheer the decision to start Brax, then it might make Baus feel bad, and it also might hurt the feelings of the coaching staff by indicating that we are happy with the decision, and imply that we were unhappy with the previous decisions to start Baus.  So, no cheering this decision.  Also, no booing.  Just do nothing.  In other words:  act just like a Michigan fan in the Big House.

German Buckeye's picture

LOL - you know this is ALL the result of decades of programming our children to not be competitive - EVERYONE WINS!  There are no losers!  That way we don't hurt the feelings of kids everywhere and damage their psychological health as adults!  Everyone line up and get their trophy please.....

Scott K's picture

People who boo college athletes are losers.  Period.  You're not a fan if you boo the team you root for. You can be upset if they don't perform to the level THEY expect from themselves, but don't ever think that it's YOUR team.  Unless you play on the team, it's not YOUR team.  Even if you went to school there it's still not YOUR team.  It's your school's team, which is of course supported by fans.  However, being a fan doesn't give one carte blanche to do whatever you want, especially when it means booing an 18-23 (or 45 for Baus) kid.  If you do, you're a loser.  Period.  End of discussion.

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

BED's picture

I remember a game a few years ago, where we were up big, and they yanked TP and put in Boeckman.  People in the stands were booing.  I stood up, alone in the student section and cheered, clapped, and yelled for Todd.  The students around me laughed, but then joined in after a minute.

The Ohio State University, College of Arts & Sciences, Class of 2006
The Ohio State University Moritz College of Law, Class of 2009

btalbert25's picture

I guess I can understand booing at the pro level.  Especially for a team like the Bengals.  People shell out a ton of money to an owner who rips them off, treats them like idiots, and cares not 1 bit about winning.  Then you have a long history of players who can't keep themselves out of trouble, as the news this morning showed, as well as great players like Carson Palmer who just give up because well being associated with the team is futile.  I suppose if I cared enough to be a fan, and spend my money with that organization, I'd be standing a booing too. 

I'll save my complaints about this teams coaching staff or displeasure with a bad play for this website and others where it belongs. 

Scott's picture

"The Best Fans in the Land." We should do everything in our ability to live up to this mantra every day. Lead with integrity, embody class, show respect, and always remain loyal.

 

There is no place within this creed for booing the young men who defend Ohio State every Saturday.

Class of 2008

Sgt. Elias's picture

" Ohio State had created its game-plan for Miami with the expectation that Braxton Miller would be the starting QB in Coral Gables. For whatever reason, when the kick got closer, Luke Fickell changed his mind and decided it was better to stick with the senior. I know that sounds far-fetched, but if you are like and re-watch every game as sobriety sets in, then you can see a number of early circumstances where plays seemed to be run with the "wrong" QB"

 

^^speechless

"Okay -- I've got an El Camino full of rampage here." 

razrback16's picture

Actually you may not be too far off the mark -- Ross Fulton broke the film down a day or two ago and it sounded as if his impression was the same as yours -- seemed like Bauserman was out there running plays that were designed for Braxton. Just bad coaching and personnel choices....glad Braxton is starting this Saturday. Just hope they let him play and stop wasting reps on Bauserman.

Buckeyejason's picture

Once again that proves Bolman needs to go.

BUCKEYES BABY!