Five Things: Toledo

By Chris Lauderback on September 11, 2011 at 2:00p
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Chris Fields recorded OSU's first punt return TD since '08 with this 69 yarder.

While "ugliest win ever" was admittedly a realtime exaggerated feeling on my part, yesterday's 27-22 tightrope-walking victory over in-state and MAC foe Toledo doesn't look and feel much better after having a night to let it marinate. 

For most, the game cast more doubts about what this year's version of the Buckeyes can accomplish, and for those crazy enough to put too much stock in last week's performance against a truly terrible opponent (see Temple 41, Akron 3) some doubts put to rest have re-emerged. 

Still, the bottom line, especially for this team, is about winning moreso than winning in style as those days look like they'll hibernate for a bit. 

A most deeper bottom line is that I'm watching the "102 Minutes That Changed America" documentary as I write - it's more than putting OSU football in proper perspective for me. 

one loss from (f)anarchy

If there's one thing that became crystal clear for me yesterday, it's that the program and fanbase are one bad loss away from sports anarchy especially if that bad loss comes as Fickell tries to win now but without any eye on the future. 

The fans in the stadium rained boos on Bauserman numerous times. I'm sure part of that was directed as Fickell and staff as it became increasingly clear that Braxton Miller would not see any time in relief of a sometimes flustered and inaccurate Baus that gave up on a couple plays far too quickly. 

I feel for Fickell in this regard because it's easy for the fans to want to see Miller develop yet Fickell has to balance in his gut what formula truly gives him the best chance to win as he feels the pressure of winning enough games to secure a multi-year contract.

Having said that, as a fan it makes sense to think Fickell is best served with getting Miller snaps in a pressure packed game because aside from what could likely be the Akron-Anomaly, Bauserman has shown a ceiling of play that doesn't seemingly translate into being good enough to lead Ohio State to a B1G divisional title (which one are we in again?). Further, though I get the QB position is a slightly different animal, it's tough to watch Miller stand on the sideline as the coaches play a signifcant number of true and redshirt freshmen at various other spots. 

If the same No-Miller strategy unfolds next week (I don't think it will) and OSU loses, Fickell and Gene Smith (how does he still have a job, btw?) better be prepared for a minority - but still sizeable - chunk of the fanbase to turn. I won't be among them, but I'll understand the angst over failing to at least keep one eye on the future as the present shows it's just not good enough. 

attrition Tremors shake foundation of the offense

Nobody wants to listen to excuses but there are some very valid ones when it comes to the shaky state of the offense. The bludgeoned topic of losing Pryor earlier than expected caused a huge gap in QB play as Bauserman saw barely any PT and Miller as a succession plan was in place for 2012, not 2011. The result is Bauserman getting 99% more snaps than any of the coaches ever envisioned once Pryor took the job early in the 2008 season and Miller apparently not being able to earn the trust of Fickell this early in the season. 

I've seen many OSU writers and 11W readers argue that both Bauserman and Miller throw a better ball than Pryor. I won't debate that. Even if they do, it's not by a pronounced enough margin for me to have that strong of any opinion. The real difference, plus or minus, with the current crop of QB's versus TP is what happens on 3rd down.

Pryor was the best down 3rd down player in the history of Ohio State football. Regardless of your feelings about him, I have to believe you agree. Meanwhile, Bauserman is apparently one of the jankiest 3rd down players in OSU history. He's not going t be the one to freelance and  make the clutch play to extend a drive. It just isn't going to happen. Miller will probably show some of that magic down the line but he's definitely not going to do it from the sideline. This difference in playmaking on 3rd down is the most pronounced difference in the 2010 offense versus 2011 and while it may improve, it'll never get to the level Pryor reached. 

On the outside, Posey was set up as the #1 pass catcher with sophs Philly and Fields set to compete with RS/true froshies Reed, Smith and Spencer for the flanker and slot spots, with Stoney as a versatile security blanket. 

Questlove's return will be huge

The unexpected loss of Posey means about 20 receptions and 325 yards must be replaced over five games by guys with little to no experience. Now, I will say I've been pleased with how the kids have stepped up, specifically Reed and Smith but it's no small feat replacing your clear cut #1 a season ahead of schedule. And now, with Philly Brown down for a little while, there will be even more pressure on these very green kids to produce. 

Finally, losing Adams meant an already thin and historically underachieving group would be further depleted, and at the most critical left tackle spot.

Norwell has performed admirably in his absence but again, a year ahead of schedule. Once Adams returns, the QB's blindside should be better protected and more holes should open up in the running game as Norwell slides over to replace Mewhort or Hall, who doesn't appear to be an effective option especially when asked to pull. 

Resetting expectations

The annual fan ritual of making predictions on which new players will make a name for themselves after watching the team and reading reports from trusted sources through the spring and fall camp was much wider in scope this year thanks to all the attrition from last year's roster. 

The personnel changes meant the team would be looking for contributors to emerge at nearly every positional grouping. With that, there's also the prognosticating as to which more familiar players will seize larger roles with aplomb. Through two games, we've seen some kids step up but other, some more seasoned players, have failed to live up to billing in what is admittedly a small sample size. 

A quick look at guys who have exceeded expectations:

  • Devin Smith: The kid is going to be special. He currently leads the team in receiving yards (119), averaging 23.8 yards a catch. He's made some important grabs and is tied with Reed for most receptions by a WR with five. 
  • Jake Stoneburner: Playing the mytical tight end position, expectations were still high for Stoney and he's been Bauserman's go to guy thus far with a team leading eight receptions and four TD. 
  • Verlon Reed: The converted QB has stood out since spring ball and is curently tied with Smith for the team lead in receptions by a WR (5) and is 2nd in WR receiving yards with 89. 
  • Carlos Hyde: He's been far from spectacular thanks largely to some questionable vision that should improve over time but he has been steady behind an o-line facing some pretty crowded defensive boxes and has shown very good hands as a receiver out of the backfield. He currently leads the team averaging 104 all purpose yards per game. With Hall channeling his inner-Pryor off the field, Berry being some mythical star with sketchy hamstrings and Smith failing to hang on the ball, Hyde's contributions have proved vital. 
  • Dominic Clarke / Bradley Roby: These two have done nice work at corner with Clarke filling in more than admirably for Howard and Roby proving steady so far at the boundary spot. Clarke has been more involved in the action breaking up three passes already. To his credit, Roby is currently 6th on the team in tackles and we haven't seen too many balls thrown in his direction, presumably due to decent coverage. 
  • Michael Bennett: The true freshman has worked himself into the DL rotation and continues to not only clog the middle but also get pressure on the quarterback. He's going to be a good one. 
  • Jonathan Hankins: Dude has been a beast. His improved conditioning has him seeing more snaps and he's currently tied for 3rd in tackles including a sack. His effectiveness is measured by more than numbers. 

A quick look at some guys who haven't met expectations:

  • Tyler Moeller: Where's he been? I know he missed major practice time this year but is it possible he'll never live up to the lofty expectations created by a small sample size? His shortcomings getting off blocks was a key factor in Toledo's success on screen plays and the stats say he's made two tackles in two games, none for a loss. And this from what we thought would be one of the designated blitzers. 
  • Braxton Miller: Also saddled with unfair expectations, the bottom line is it's very disappointing that he has seen such little playing time through two games. I still think he can be the starter by Nebraska but if he's inactive at Miami, that notion goes out the window. 
  • Joe Bauserman: Ugh. Lit up a bad defense. Struggled mightily against a better, yet unspectacular one. 
  • Storm Klein: I'm in the minority here but I thought he'd be a force when on the field. He did have a nice pick yesterday but other than that, he's done very little with three tackles in two games.

"Special" teams

Unreal. That's all I can say about the special teams unit at an elite program that has stunk for far too many years. It hasn't been all bad, but it's been far more Mr. Hyde and not enough Dr. Jekyll. 

Yesterday followed the same tired blueprint. 

JT Moore was most responsible for the punt block setting up Toledo's first touchdown as he didn't get enough shoulder into the outside rusher from his post as the left anchor of the three man back line guarding Buchanan. That just can't happen. And it definitely can't happen against Toledo. 

Buchanan, for his part, had a solid day as he pinned the Rockets inside the 20 a career high three times. He doesn't have a booming leg but he did his job yesterday. 

Chris Fields did his job as and then some taking a punt 69 yards to the house giving OSU a brief 21-15 lead. He showed that north/south mentality I love to see from a punt return man and got a good block from Ryan Shazier, though I'm not sure that block was as necessary as it was awesome to watch. 

Drew Basil and the KO coverage team continue to disappoint. Basil recorded just one touchback. On his next KO, the coverage team failed to maintain their lanes and Eric Page made them pay returning it 42 yards to the Toledo 44 yard line. From there, Fickell gave up trying to kick deep, instead opting for either a pooch or a squib. Crazy. How is it okay that OHIO STATE is forced to squib/pooch kickoffs because they can't figure out, over a period of years, how to succeed in this aspect of the game? Even trying the damage-control approach wasn't always fruitful as Page took a kick at the 23 and still returned it to the 40.

Basil's lack of leg was bad on kickoffs but it was even worse when attempting to score points. As the Buckeyes tried to answer Toledo's first score and two point conversion giving them an 8-7 lead, the offense was given 30 yards in Rocket penalties as part of a 46 yard drive but Basil didn't come close on a 47 field goal try. He's still without a made FG in his college career. What concerns me most about this is I've seen the kid in practice with my own eyes and he consistenly drilled 40+ yarders. Will he always have the yips on the big stage? 

hat tip to toledo

Well, it's more of a hat tip to Eric Page and to a lesser extent, Tim Beckman and his total squad. Clearly, they are not your dad's Toledo. As I heard Herbie mention last night, it's very possible Toledo is a better team than Miami, though having home field makes that a bit of apples/oranges for the purposes of evaluating next week.

If not for their 102 yards on 14 penalties, 3/16 on 3rd down and one turnover, they could've become the first Ohio based team since Oberlin in 1921 to beat the Buckeyes. 

The Buckeyes pretty much shut Page down back in the 2009 game (6/54 but that was not the case yesterday. The All-American got loose for 12 catches, 145 yards and 2 TD in addition to KO returns of 42 and 27 yards. 

He is flat out electric and I thought Toledo did a great job of lining him up all over the field, creating nonstop mismatches in coverage. Eventually, Heacock was forced to insert Bryant in place of a linebacker in certain situations to try and address the mismatches and missed tackles as Page altenated between crossing in front of the LB's then behind them, in front of the safeties. I would love to have that dude on our team. 

I won't watch any MAC football this year but I have a hard time thinking he won't be the league MVP. 

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Poe McKnoe's picture

My 5 cents:

  1. Is it manhandled or MAChandled? It's obviously not true that games are won in the trenches.  If they were, UT would have prevailed.  Credit OSU's defense for waking up and getting the better of the Rocket offense in the second half, but the defense's first half and the offense's lack of power/speed/emotion/interest made the Rockets look like the Big Ten team and the Buckeyes like the MAC team.  There were numerous plays throughout the game where UT's line or receivers would have been called for holding had they not been the David in Ohio State's Goliath.  But what I saw on special teams and offense was an Ohio State team that was getting MAChandled across the field.
  2. Bollmonster is alive and well.  I was expecting an NCAA violation after yesterday's game, but then realized Jim Tressel wasn't on the sideline.  Now that Jim Tressel is gone, Bollman is the defacto leader of the offense and playcaller.  Much like OU in 2008, I wonder if Bollman talked Fickell out of putting in the dynamic freshman, with 1 game under his belt.  What we've come accustomed to is OSU not being able to outcoach any team on offense.  The offense still relies on having its bodies execute better than their counterparts, with little change of pace, misdirection, or scheme.  We'll see Fickell's next move.
  3. There's a lot of talent on this team.  A lot of it was on the bench or not in the stadium, however.  There's a reason there's a lot of youth on the field during games.  They are that good.  They are the future, and the now.  Chris listed the best performers, and I'd have to agree.
  4. So what about the other 70 guys that aren't seniors or freshman?  It's good when freshman are on the 2 deep, but it also causes concern.  Where's the team speed? There's not a lot of experience on the field for OSU at any given point, so why not use all the options available?  They earn it in practice, sure, but what happens if the starts are sleepwalking through a game.
  5. About that running game.  Thunder and lightning is supposed to be just that.  Carlos Hyde is a hammer and he needs a complement.  Jaamal Berry, Jordan Hall, anyone else? Right now, the blockers can't reliably make holes, and the RBs can't find holes when they are.

Sorry if this was overly critical.  Sometimes its easier to nag the negatives than talk about how we're 2-0, there's some players on defense, and next week is Miami, FL in Miami, FL.

TLB's picture

Nail on the head.  Bollman will do more to harm this team than any NCAA sanctions.

Matt's picture

Good write-up.  No team in America, other than Michigan, wants to beat Ohio State more than U-Miami.  We beat them in the 2003 title game, which inaugurated their slide into mediocrity, and then we embarrassed them last season in the Shoe, after they were forced to way almost 8 years for a chance at revenge.  Throw in the national humiliation that is the Nevin Shapiro affair, the recent suspensions, a bye week to prepare, and the team's recent loss to a middling Maryland team, and Miami will be dialed in to come after us with their hair on fire.  If Jacory Harris is even slightly on his game, I can see the score getting out of hand very quickly -- unless the coaches insert Braxton into the game and he grows up before our eyes.  After watching our non-existent offense and our secondary get picked apart by a MAC team, I'm not looking forward to next saturday.

Colin's picture

I cannot get over our kicking situation. Drew Basil is my biggest concern even with everything that looked terrible yesterday...right now we are Michigan 2010. Can't make a field goal. How is that even possible?

Blake's picture

Agreed on just about all fronts. I think as OSU fans we need to be realistic here. This team, with all the crap flowing around it, may very well go 8-4 this year. And you know, that's not the end of the world. This team has a lot to deal with and it's impossible to not expect a drop off of some sort when this much stuff hits the fan on one team in one offseason.

You look around college football, what teams have been completely devoid of an average season in the midst of very good seasons? I can't name one. The Gators were in the outback bowl last year, the Sooners were in the sun bowl just two years ago. Even the 'horns completely bottomed out last year. Even teams like Georgia, USC, and Michigan (obviously) have hit rough patches recently. 8 wins in a very transitional year is not terrible. I don't think any of us have any doubts the talent is there to build toward dominant seasons within the next 2-3 years.

KE's picture

I for one am looking forward to next week. Miami's fanbase is signfiicantly more demoralized by their scandal than OSU's is by ours, and our fans have taken a real hit. Miami has never been a particularly good college football town, and I don't expect much from their fans next week. The only hometown advantage the Canes will have is the fact that OSU's boosters will not be there in force. Miami is not a very good team - a close call like this with Toledo may be just what the Buckeyes need.

I'm going to be there in Maimi next week. Any Buckeye fan in sunny FLA needs to be there. Next Saturday might be a make-or-break kind of day.

Menexenus's picture

I agree with this attitude.  I see next week's game as an opportunity, and I think that it's one that is well within our reach.  If we win this game on Saturday, it can be the turning point that could make for a great season. 

Enjoy the game, KE.  Wish I could be there with you.

Real fans stay for Carmen.

NW Buckeye's picture

KE, 

Wish I could be in Miami.  I have tickets in the Varsity O Section, but am not able to make the trip because of my heart surgery this summer.  Any chance you know someone who could use the tickets?  Would love to see a Buckeye fan use them.  If you have any interest, reply here, and I will give you my email addy. 

Thanks

Johnny Ginter's picture

i agree with almost all of this (except about hyde, who i'm not all that impressed by), but this is definitely an 8-4 or even 7-5 team without hall, howard, adams, posey, and herron.

i mean seriously, take any team and remove their best o-lineman, their best WR, their TWO best RBs, and their best CB and see if that team even comes close to their potential. yesterday made me mad, but it was mostly for personnel/gameplan decisions, not that the game was close and some players had bad games.

Jugdish's picture

I think Fickell led us astray when he put "or" between Baus and Miller. It should have been Baus with a slim chance of seeing Miller. The 8-4 that has been tossed around seems very likely now. I can live with that as long as we are preparing our team for later in the season. If we lose the next three, it won't hurt us as far as winning our division. That should be the goal for now and winning the Big outright. Miller definetely gives the edge with his scrambling ability expecially since the Oline is a little suspect right now. Our defense is good but I believe it will definetly improve as the season goes on. Please, Fick, make changes now. I can't stand the thought that we could lose to tsun.

Remember to get your wolverine spayed or neutered. TBDBITL

yrro's picture

I'm not sure I'm buying that the O-line is bad. Bauserman wasn't getting hurried or hit much - he just wasn't finding anybody to throw to, and then giving up on the play early. I'm not sure whether it was more his fault or the receiver's fault that he didn't find anyone on his primary reads, but in a ballgame that tight, on anything but first down you've got to show a little more of an attempt to extend the play and let people get open.

NW Buckeye's picture

I'm not so sure Fickell had anything to do with Miller not getting into the game.  He seems to have let the offensive staff determine all the moves at this point.  I suspect that will change, if not this week, perhaps before the B1G games begin. 

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I really don't understand how some fans don't/didn't expect the other shoe to drop. Obviously, none of us expected that the other shoe would drop via a scandal that would rock the football program. But, putting aside the expectations we have year in and year out, the success we've enjoyed the past few years is abnormal. There's a reason they play the games, so you never know what can happen. Hell, I hope the Bucks surprise the hell out of us. But, I would also be content with 8-4, a very strong finishing kick, and a season that provides boatloads of experience for the frosh.

slippy's picture

There's a differenc between a drop in production/results and beating a MAC team by the skin of your teeth.  OSU in it's worst year should still beat a MAC team by 14.

buckeyedude's picture

I bet many Oregon fans, being in the PAC 10, thought that the Ducks should whoop ass on Boise State(WAC), by multiple TDs back in 2008. BSU won 37-32.

Not saying Toledo is the next Boise State, but fans have lost all perspective here. Toledo deserves more respect than they are receiving here. This isn't 1973 where OSU got 100+ schollies a year, ya know?

 I do agree with Chris on on thing: It's 9/11 and just thinking about that day in 2001 makes this shit seem very trivial. But I do love the Buckeyes and discussing Buckeye football. And I wish Fickell would have played Braxton also, but I also remember thinking many of the same things about Tressel(why such conservative play, which QB, etc.).

I realize that OSU fans that pay to see a Buckeyes football game have the right to boo when they feel like it, but I just don't like it. I wonder if there was ever a study done on which fanbase boos the most/least?

 

 

741's picture

The price of admission does not include a right to behave badly. Booing your own team is always wrong.

Noble_Buck's picture

Agree!  Booing amateur atheletes -- young and unpaid.  It's completely classless.

tampa buckeye's picture

Are you f888in kidding me?  Now we can't boo?  Can we still stand when we pee?

JakeBuckeye's picture

Sure you can boo amateur athletes on your own team. Which by default means you can look like a complete asshat.

klfeck's picture

So booing the other team which is made up of amateur athletes is ok, but showing your disapporoval of your own team which you support by buying tickets, clothing, etc is forbidden? Bullshitsky.

Kevin

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Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Buckeyejason's picture

8-4 might even be on the high end. Miami won't be easy,Michigan state is tough, Illnois is always tough and have a young talented QB. I'm guessin Wisconsin and Nebraska are losses. Then we have a shitty Michigan team..that will always want to beat us, and they have the most explosive player in the country at QB. One game at a time I guess.

BUCKEYES BABY!

DarthSweaterVest's picture

I'm sorry, but I can't let this statement about Denard stand.  Yes, he can make some big runs, but watching his completely horrible floating passes consistently caught because Notre Dame's DBs can't pull their heads out of their asses did not impress me.  He has shown that he is injury-prone and ineffective against good defenses and he will continue to be so.

phxbuck's picture

How those passes were not picked off is baffling, he should of had 5 ints yesterday.

Matt's picture

Buckeyejason didn't say Denard was going to win the most-likely-to-be-Peyton-Manning or most-durable awards, but rather that Robinson is the most explosive player in college football.  Who else even comes close to him?  Taylor Martinez, maybe, but I don't buy that story.  Sometimes Denard explodes for improbable plays and huge gains for last second TDs.  Sometimes he explodes the entire Michigan offense with a stupid turnover. Either way, he's the most explosive player in the game right now.  

buckeyedude's picture

The Rockets are better than BOTH teams that played in A^2 last night, IMHO.

 

 

klfeck's picture

I am slapping myself for saying his, but I will take Denard of Baus any and every day of the week.

Kevin

OH!!!!!

Proud parent of a Senior at The Ohio State University

Rooster Buckburn's picture

I don't think we are as good as we looked v. Akron - nor do I think we're as bad as we looked yesterday.  The issue is (as pointed out) we are missing some significant talent on the field right now.  If all would have gone as planned our current QB would have not have even seen the field this year (sans mop up duty).  Bottom line - I'm happy with being 2-0 - and realistically can read the tea leaves that this team is not NC caliber - but a good 8-9 win team if all goes well (read: no more suspensions).

Buckeye06's picture

Put me in the camp that I don't think this game was close to as bad as a lot of Buckeye Nation is making it out to be.

 

Toledo had a total of 3 big plays with a run a pass and a blocked punt.  They scored 22 points on those 3 plays. 

While the offense didn't look great I don't think (or hope)anyone expected us to put up 30+ a game either without our best tackle, rb, and WR. 

Young team who likely plays up/down to their competition.  This is good for a team to see taht you can't take teams lightly in cfb anymore. 

phxbuck's picture

Tyler Moeller has been awful this year. He looked like a high school backup yesterday, it's called a screen, it's not that difficult. If I am Miami I would run a screen every 4 plays.

O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

Moeller has a little incentive to hit some people in Florida. Hope he shows up with a vengence.

Why was Ohrion Johnson not hitting anyone. He backed off of numerous tackles and made no real effort to run down that 3rd quarter screen. Weak. 

Buckeye Black's picture

My point would be, look at the passes JB completed, they were either dump offs or wide open guys.  Does anyone really think Miller couldn't do that?  Come on coach, let the kid play!  If Toledo is tough enough to stuff our I-form plays then we need to run the spread and let Miller run wild.

Buckeyejason's picture

I'm not saying Denard is a great QB, because he isn't! But you cannot deny that he isn't one of if not the most explosive player in the country.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Run_Fido_Run's picture

The little b----es are out in full force today. Look, I fall somewhere between the doom & gloomers and the overly optimistic. No question, this team has a long way to go. However, the doom & gloomers are always so tiresome and predictable that I find myself siding completely with the overly optimistic.

This team might lose 4 games or even 5 (unlikely), sure. But I'll take my chances with under-4 regular season losses with anyone who wants the action. Until we know, maybe we can keep things in perspective . . .

In 2002 (no, this team won't be that good, obviously), the defense looked absolutely pathetic against a bad Cincy team and the Buckeyes really should have lost that game.

In 2003, half the games were like Toledo 2011.

The 2004 team was flat mediocre until the last few games of the season.

The 2005 team was talented but would have gone down as one of the most underachieving Buckeye teams ever if not for the final T. Smith drive against TTUN. 

In 2009, after Purdue Harbor, they were 5-2 and seemed to be a very mediocre team. Not only did they win out, but they ran for 200+ yds in all three big games down the stretch, v. PSU, Iowa, Michigan. In other words, their "underperforming" Jim Bollman OL eventually got it together.     

Johnny Ginter's picture

a couple of things to keep in mind:

- once the suspended players come back, this will be a completely different team, mainly on offense. the real worry is if they end up dropping two of their next three (which could easily happen).

- bollman sucks for a lot of reasons, but chief among those is that he really has no idea of how to adjust his gameplan to a changing situation. he's trying to "out execute" other teams, which only really works if you've got superior and experienced players at key positions. which OSU really doesn't right now.

the biggest problem is there doesn't seem to be any scheme or offensive identity at all. it's just "whatever" and if something that was working stops working, it isn't revisited again. i don't know why stoneburner literally disappeared from the field for two quarters. if they're double covering him, keep him on and use him as a decoy ffs

tampa buckeye's picture

Dropping two of the next three hahahahhah.  Are you out of your mind.  Miami is not that good.  The focus will be back.  Michigan St sucks and so do the buffs'.  If we drop two of the next three I'll literally eat shit.  No seriously I'll eat shit.

Johnny Ginter's picture

vegas has us as 1 point dogs to miami right now, so i think it's at least a possiblity without hall, brown, or howard back. and i guess you can just handwave MSU away by saying they suck if you want but they really don't.

JakeBuckeye's picture

My God, such blind homerism is so annoying. No, I don't think we will lose two out of the next three, but its a LEGIT and serious possibility/concern of mine.

tampa buckeye's picture

Ok when Ohio State doesn't drop two of the next three you both can come back here and kiss my ass, both cheeks.

JakeBuckeye's picture

No, I don't think we will lose two out of the next three, but its a LEGIT and serious possibility/concern of mine.

Learn to read. And quit going about things so obnoxiously.

tampa buckeye's picture

It may have been the words you typed before that quote.  Who's being obnoxious?  I believe in my team.  Is that being obnoxious?  

JakeBuckeye's picture

Yes it is obnoxious when you act like complete asshole to others whom rightfully have doubts (even though I stated I don't think we'll drop two of the next three.) You can believe that Ohio State will go 14-0 and win the National Championship every year. That's great for you and quite honestly I envy that ability of yours.

Note: You're avatar fits you nicely. Unfortunately your schtick isn't quite as comedic.

buckeyedude's picture

Unfortunately, I don't think we learned much about the team last saturday, and partially because Braxton didn't get to play, injuries, absences, etc. We could have lost that game. Thank God we didn't.

I think this saturday will tell us a lot about how good or bad this team is.

 

 

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Is there anyone in the know (Brutus, 11W staff) who can cut through the BS and give us a somewhat accurate description of where we stand with the Charity 3? Is their return for Miami unlikely?

Matt's picture

I thought I had read some reporter having Fickell or Gene Smith on record as saying that it was unlikely that the $200 handshake 3 will be back in time for Miami, but I can't recall where I saw that (I believe it was the twitter feed of an OSU beat reporter).

O-H Kee Pa's picture

I'm aware of that report, but it's hard (unfortunately) to cut through Smith's BS these days.

Brutus's picture

I'm not the least bit in the know. If anything, I may have been spreading bad info. A few weeks ago, I was told that OSU compliance wasn't investigating anything new. A couple weeks later, we suddenly find out about a new investigation and new suspensions. Granted, according to the reports, the new violations weren't discovered until Aug. 31, but like you, I think Smith is completely full of shit and cannot be trusted. I probably won't have any visibility with this new stuff, which is both good and bad. Good because it means that the violations aren't big enough to warrant outside counsel. But bad because I'm damn curious.

I was also told that OSU felt pretty good about the self-imposed sanctions sticking, but like many, I'm seriously doubtful about that now. Sorry if I spoke too soon with the good news.

tampa buckeye's picture

Beanie doing work in the first half 71 yards and a TD

NolanFickas01's picture

Although, I love the Buckeye's and our traditions, I think we embrace it too much sometimes. It's time to get rid of Bollman and our offensive identity. If Ohio State wants to continue to be in a BCS's bowl every year and be national title contenders, we need to run an offense that showcases our talent. Just listening to an offensive minded guy like Urban Meyer,( BTW whose dream job is Ohio Sate) makes me wonder what he could bring to the table. Why not hire him? Is it a swift kick in the nuts of Woody Hayes if we abandon our roots and run Meyer's spread? Our O-line has been the worst aspect of our Offense as of recently and we continue to run a Bollman/Tresselish Pro-Style offense. The only reason we have been successful is because of our recent mobile QB's (Troy Smith, TP). Yet, again we have another highly touted mobile QB but he takes a seat to an out of shape, 28 year-old baseball player. 

Why continue to accept offensive mediocrity? I'm sick and tired of watching a conservative, unnattractive, underutilized offense! I understand that type of mindset if our defense was atrotious and our achilles heal......but it's not. Our defense is what keeps us in games. How many low-scoring nail biters and disappointing offensive performances in big games do we have to go through before we demand change! Playing a cupcake non-conference and continuing to win a WEAK (let's be honest, I'm done defending the big ten) big ten, while losing one or two games may seem fine to you. BUT the only reason we are in those BCS games is because of our fanbase! We got blown out of two Nation Title games.....against 2 SEC teams. 

I feel as though we are in a tough situation as Buckeye fans. I want to see our Buckeye's win and I hate losing, but if we continue to go down this path and accept mediocrity, I wouldn't mind seeing Fickell lose, in order to get a change of regime. 

 

jenks's picture

At least we were in 2 National championship games, and won another one. Thats 3 national championship games in 5/6 years. THREE! And how many big ten titles and BCS games/wins in the last decade? You really think that's "continuing to go down a path and accepting mediocrity"? Really?? You're going to sit there and tell me with a straight face that continuing with that formula is mediocrity?

And the problem with Urban Meyer is that I wouldn't trust him to stick around for more than 2 or 3 years. Where does that put us then? The answer is the same place as Michigan. I'll stick with a guy who doesn't have a history of quitting on his teams.

NolanFickas01's picture

"Atleast we were in 2 national championship games, and won another."

 

my point exactly! We are settling for this!!! HOW IDIOTIC CAN YOU BE! That is why no one likes us! We gripe every during the regular season when we barely win games we should, or lose big games every year, then we are given a gift in a BCS bowl game or a national title bid and are happy with it even if we lose! BUT hey, atleast we atleast we made it right! I'm tired of getting handed a BCS game because we win a WEAK big ten conference! You can't even call the big ten the big ten( though, there is 12 teams) it should really be the Big 3 conference(OSU, Wisky and now Nebraska.) Im no longer sticking up for the Big Ten just because OSU is in it. Half the teams are pathetic and you guys know it. 

So back to my point, we play a cupcake non conference schedule that leads us into a mediocre, I will say it again for you, mediocre conference schedule. When we do play a tough non league team, We LOSE!(Texas, USC x2) Im no SEC homer, but my god, if we played in the SEC we wouldn't stand a chance the past couple years! Not because we don't have the talent, but because we stick too our ineffective, old school ways! Cus it's tradition and atleast we are get to BCS games!!! 

My whole point is, it's time for OSU to change, the game of football has changed and Ohio State, along with many other Big Ten schools have failed to change with it! While the SEC is winning National Title after title, we sit back and wonder why can't we do that? It's obvious!! Our style of football is out-dated! It may have worked in the 60's thru 90's! But it's a whole new game that's being played. If we want to be the best team in the Nation we have to put our teams in the best possible situation for that. The only thing that helps us from the past is our prestige that lands top recruits from our state! We need to get with current trend and get an offensive minded coach who knows how to use our talent and score points. Imagine TP with a cam newton type offense? with our OSU defense? Hmmm...I guess we can only imagine because our fans are too arrogant and blind to see what's best for the team. 

ps. I am not a hater, I love the Buckeyes and I hope you can tell from my fire and passion!

yrro's picture

Our "old school ways" produced one of the best offenses in the country last season.

No team is amazing at offense and defense every year. We have been top 5 in defense every...single...year. And when we have the right combination of talent and experience, we have a really good offense.

It has nothing to do with what style of offense it is. People are catching on to the spread. It's who you have running things. Urban lost 5 games after he lost touchdown Jesus. Wisconsin kicks *ass* with an even more old school game plan than we do, because it's where their talent and focus in coaching lies. Alabama does the same thing, except for they get to recruit an extra class worth of o-line talent.

Do I think we could be more consistently good on offense? Yes. Do I expect it to have anything to do with what system we run, versus how well we run it? No. Would I give up having the best defense in the country, year in and year out, to do it? No way in hell.

Run_Fido_Run's picture

Spot on! I agree, completely. Most offenses now at least mix in some spread and other wrinkles, but many of the top programs tend to be balanced.  

Wisconsin had a top 3 offense last year and it doesn't appear to have dropped off this year - heck, it might be better.

Saban runs an "old school" pro offense at Bama. LSU has been up and down on offense the last few years, but they run similar.

To land supreme talent at positions like LT, RT, TE, (power) RB, (pocket-friendly) QB, (outside) WR, FB/HB, an offensive system isn't going to be a heavy spread "system."      

jenks's picture

You're the one complaining and wanting more. You're exactly the type of person you describe as the reason why everyone hates us. Even if we are getting handed BCS games, we win more than we lose, and we win more than any other team in the country. You buy into all this media bullshit just like everyone else. We lose a couple of games and you think we've lost every BCS game we've every been in, when we have more wins than anyone else. Ohio State is arguably the most successful BCS team of the BCS era. Say what you want about the Big Ten (despite that all being ridiculously ass well) but OSU still has huge wins against other BCS teams in those bowl games.

And what weak nonconference schedule are you talking about? Ohio State arguably has one of the best out of conference schedules (who else routinely schedules home and homes with top BCS schools?). I'm not sure what more you can ask for. Did you literally vacate that win against Arkansas from your memory?

If we played in the SEC, we would have different recruiting rules. Or, probably the better scenario, how would SEC teams fare if they played in the B1G with the B1G recruiting rules? Anyway, I guess you should just go buy the SEC network if you like it so much.

klfeck's picture

I see your point but I think UM tried to do what you are recommending with the whole RichRod era.

Kevin

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smith5568's picture

I don't really know where to begin with this comment. Winning football games and national titles is not about flashy offenses that can put up a lot of points, see ARKANSAS and OREGON. We beat them in BCS bowls. Didn't they both have these "new" offenses you are clamoring for? Do you know why elite talent comes to OSU (offensive and defensive)? Because we run a PRO STYLE OFFENSE. It has nothing to do with being "old school" or outdated. 

To you big ten sucks argument. This is hardly the case. Up until the conference shit the bed we actually were .500 against the SEC in bowl games. Wait let me repeat that, the BIG was .500 against the SEC in bowl games going into last bowl season. The only humiliating loss to an SEC team was Mich. St. vs. Ala. Ohio State has also been to the most BCS bowl games (8) and is tied for most wins (5). Additionally, we were manhandled by Florida, however, we were not manhandled by LSU. One play changed that entire game and cost us a national title, Robiskie's TD drop in the back of the endzone, forced FG, FG blocked = momentum swing. Otherwise, we go up 17-0 and win the title. 

I have saved my first post for an appropriate time. I felt this was it. 

kevinfrenchfry's picture

we did get blown out in the national championships but lets not forget the chaos in the last two weeks of the 07 season when pretty much every team in the top ten lost and put ohio state magically back in the national championship game, i would've been much happier with a rose bowl appearance that season

Baroclinicity's picture

I think we would have been eaten by USC, too...

When you're holding a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

J.Mo's picture

Toledo has Boise St at the Glassbowl this Friday. If Toledo takes out Boise, does it make our ugly win any nicer?

RedQueenRace's picture

I would be very impressed if Toledo takes down Boise.  But I don't see it happening.

buckeyedude's picture

I know it was 8 years ago, but this from September 21, 2003 in the Glass Bowl:

Toledo(unranked)  35

#9 Pitt                 31

Final

 

 

Tommy's picture

Equally perplexing to me as Braxton's lack of PT is Berry's.  I feel like I must be missing something that he is ok enough to return kicks but can't see a single carry.  The offense sure could use the home run threat that he brings.

jenks's picture

I suspect that had to do with some of the uncertainty surrounding Hall's eligibility this week. Hopefully it won't be a problem for Miami.

Matt's picture

Theory:  Bollman knows that this is likely his final season at Ohio State, even if Fickell stays (who will want to make his own mark and hire his own OC), and certainly if Fickell gets fired (which is likely in the event of 5 losses, 50/50 in the event of 4 losses).  Bollman is also pissed off that his longtime buddy/sugar daddy Jim Tressel was sent packing by OSU.  Ergo, the entire season of Buckeye play calling/QB substitution is going to be one gigantic farewell middle finger from Jim Bollman to the OSU fanbase.  

Poe McKnoe's picture

If Saturday was his middle finger, we've seen it for 10 years.

sharkvsghost's picture

+1

swing hard in case you hit it.

labuck's picture

I agree with this post almost wholeheartedly. 

Hyde has no vision for a cut back and he can't run anyone over.  Hall is certainly missed here.  If Smith could hold onto the ball he would fill admirably.

Storm Klein looks slow on the field and Sabino in my opinion definitely outplayed him when on the field yesterday.

Moeller continually allowed the screen game to kill the defense.

I am hoping the coaches see the same thing and look to get a few different guys on the field.

 

They have already wasted Braxton's redshirt so they might as well utilize him in some way whether it is in special packages or in certain locations on the field.  But it makes absolutely no sense to keep him on the sidelines and waste a freshman year on a guy like Bauserman.

 

Lets see what happens in Miami

BED's picture

I also want to point out that the CB play for Toledo was tremendous yesterday.  There were at least a few plays that would've been sure TDs if they weren't broken up by stellar play at the CB position.

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andyr78's picture

Good article.  It's obvious to me on offense that we do not have a deep threat with Posey suspended.  As much as I like what I see in Reed, he doesn't appear to be able to get separation.  It was also apparent that we were down 2 starters on Defense agains. Toledo.

tampa buckeye's picture

two td on returns

 

Buckeye Black's picture

Maybe someone has thought of this, maybe not, but what if Urban Meyer was offered the Offensive Coordinator job and Fickell was left as Head Coach.  I realize there is a less than 1% chance of that happening, but it would serve Urban's health issues and allow him to be in coaching.  I really think Fickell has what it takes to be a great head coach, as long as he has a competent OC.  It would appear it is time for a different offensive philosophy.

TLB's picture

Give that man a Houndie

JakeBuckeye's picture

As Teddy walked in on that second TD return I heard a faint Keith Jackson murmor "Heeelllllloooo Houndie."

Buckeyejason's picture

Off topic but Teddy Ball game just returned a 103 yd kick return and a punt return for td's within about a minute and a half.

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tampa buckeye's picture

I miss guys like Ted and Beanie.  Beanie had 90 yards and a td today.

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Troy,Teddy, Gonzo, Robo, Hall, Holmes etc....man we were loaded. Were they all on the same squad at one time? Seems like it. Hartline. Almost forget about him.

tampa buckeye's picture

you forgot beanie...

Scam Newton had a big day over 400 yards passing in a loss.

BuddhaBuck's picture

Ugh. More passing yards in his first game than Jamarcus Russell had in his entire rookie season.

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Buckeyejason's picture

And the Houndie goes to...Tedd Ginn jr.

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BuddhaBuck's picture

The good old days...

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Buckeyejason's picture

"Can findley get an angle"

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tampa buckeye's picture

This ball game is over...

kevinfrenchfry's picture

the quote is "this baby's over, this race"

BuddhaBuck's picture

Shazier reminds me of Donte Whitner.... He's a PTP-er baby!

p.s. - it's been real dusty everywhere today.. my eyes keep watering. #USA-USA-USA #neverforget

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BuddhaBuck's picture

Serious questions for all:

Without Nathan Williams, is there anyone on the roster who can be considered a rush-end? Why can't our front-four create any pressure (against Toledo)?

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tampa buckeye's picture

toledo got the ball out quick, and when they didn't it was a screen.  The way to stop the spread is bump and run or play off and give up field goals all day long. 

Buckeyejason's picture

Well for one, we put 330 pound Hankins out wide as an end, wtf? Simon is a good rusher. But all he has is the bull rush.

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helloheisman's picture

I wanna see Tampa Buckeye eat shit!!!!!!! Cause the way the "O" looked u may wanna use a napkin

tampa buckeye's picture

This site has really gone down hill.  Ever since Helloheisman starting posting it just hasn't been the same.

kevinfrenchfry's picture

stfu your the one blinded by the shroud of buckeye superiority all day everyday when the fact is we could easily drop 2 of the next three, given i think people are looking into this game too much as toledo could be a very good team this year, but still thats a legit possibility, and let me be specific, don't get your panties in a bunch because i don't think it will, im just saying its possible.  And a small part of me will be happy if it does because i think you should upload a video of you eating shit so we can all see it or your membership will be revoked, won't be too much of a blow to you anyway since you said the site is going downhill

buckeyedude's picture

I'm definitely concerned about the lack of offense, but am not going to give up on these Buckeyes that easily. I'm with TAMPA on this one. If he's a "homer," than the rest of you are "bandwagon" fans.

 

 

klfeck's picture

My .02

 

1. I have a really hard time understanding why Miller didn't see any time in the 4th quarter. It would have been hard to throw worse than Baus unless he actually did complete a pass into the stands.

2. That was an ugly game and except for the 1st drive wasn't any fun to watch. The O line stunk up the place and the D line looked like they belonged in the MAC.

3. I was damn glad to escape the shoe and not see an in state rival beat OSU for the first time since 1921. I thought for sure I would be there to experience it for my own eyes.

4. The Akron game is was an anomaly and Baus is as bad as we all remember.

5. If this was an example of things to come we are in big big trouble this year.  Had this been Wisky, Mich State, we would have been humiliated Saturday.

 

 

Kevin

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btalbert25's picture

I undestand a bit of the criticism of Hyde, but isn't he averaging around 5 yards per carry?  He had a pretty damn good first half, then it seemed like Smith was in there in the 2nd half and did absolutely nothing but try to fumble the game away.  I continue to be confused by those who want Smith carrying the ball more than Hyde.  Smith has done nothing to prove he is a better RB through two games.  What he has done, is fumble a ball near the goal line and fumbe a ball away to give Toledo a shot to win the game.  I don't want to see Smith touch the ball again in a game that is decided by less than 30 points.  If that means get Berry in there running then so be it, but Smith is not the answer at all at this point in his career.

klfeck's picture

Agreed, the jokers behind me in the stands were calling for Smith the whole game until he fumbled AGAIN.

Kevin

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O-H-I-Owe-U's picture

I remember Eddie giving up a couple costly fumbles early in his career. Don't give up on him, he'll learn.

 

btalbert25's picture

I'm not giving up on him at all, I'm saying Hyde is so much better at this point.  I get that Hyde misses some cut backs, but overall the dude has been very good, and Smith just hasn't.  I was so pissed that he was getting so many carries in the 2nd half when Hyde had over 70 yards in the first half.  Smith almost blew the game.  Until he can learn to hold onto the ball, he shouldn't be getting carries unless it's garbage time.  We've got some tough games coming up and don't need a guy who is great at dropping the ball.  Plus, he hasn't been as good as Hyde running the ball.  Maybe he sees the holes or cuts back better, but he still doesn't get the YPC that Hyde does.

Maestro's picture

He definitely shouldn't be playing this weekend IMHO. Hyde and Berry for my money thank you.

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Buckeyejason's picture

Enough with the Eddie comparisons already, geez! He's not Eddie George and won't be like him. I don't care if they have the same build,run similar and both fumbled as freshman.

Eddie G was a heisman winner and a guy that could get you 300 yards in a game.

Comparisons are stupid and hardly ever pan out. Pryor wasn't Vince Young and James Louis didn't turn out to be Santonio Holmes.

Just please, no more "Well Eddie fumbled early on in his career to" comments anymore!!

BUCKEYES BABY!

Buckeyejason's picture

And yes, Hyde is A LOT better at this point than Roderick Smith is. Both backs lack vision but Hyde seems to get the yardage and secure the ball the way you're supposed to.

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btalbert25's picture

I'm glad to see someone shares the same opinion.  I honestly don't even feel like it's close at this point.

Buckeyejason's picture

If you wanna compare anyone to Smith, I'd say that guy Darron Thomas from Kansas state last year.

BUCKEYES BABY!

Maestro's picture

Daniel Thomas?

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kc286496's picture

"Booing amateur atheletes -- young and unpaid.  It's completely classless."

I guess by "unpaid", you are not counting the four (or more) years of college tuition and room & board or the $775,000 salary that the head coach makes as a public employee.  Booing at a high school game is unacceptable.  Booing at a big time, major college football game is perfectly okay in my book. 

Hyde is mediocre.  I've said this in other posts.  He doesn't shake a lot of tackles.  I really thought Smith would emerge as the best back in the whole stable (including Boom).  But we may not find out this year if he can't shake his case of fumble-itis.

Bauserman looked great against Akron.  But just a hint of pressure and he started to look like the Bauserman we've seen snippets of over the past couple years.  He stood like a statue in the pocket and throws a miserable deep ball. 

The defense looked reactive instead of proactive.  I don't ever recall seeing our linebackers get beaten to the edge so consistently.

I don't want to rank on Basil.  But that first missed FG was 20 yards wide left!  Wasn't Ben Buchanan the top high school placekicker in the country? 

Buckeyejason's picture

" But we may not find out this year if he can't shake his case of fumble-itis"

Wev've already found out this year. Smith couldn't hold Herron's jock strap, its not even close who's the best back on the roster. Herron is by miles!

What made you think Smith was going to be the best back on the roster? Because he was a 4 star recruit and people said he looked "good in bowl practice"?.

We haven't seen him do anything in a game that would make you think that he is the top back on the roster.

Its pretty sad how people underestimate Boom's ability and value to this team.

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kc286496's picture

I didn't mean any disrespect to Boom by that comment.  I thought coming into this season that, with five games sans Boom, Smith would steal the show from Hyde, Hall, and Berry.  And it has nothing to do with the number of stars that were assigned to him by Rivals.  It's because he is 6'3, 230 lbs and runs much more elusively than Hyde (who I still contend is just Lydell Ross reincarnated--big body, runs small).  I was definitely reaching with that comment, and obviously I am being proven wrong.  We are missing Boom and Posey more than I thought we would.