Ohio State Presented With Notice of Allegations

By Luke on April 25, 2011 at 10:34a
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The Columbus Dispatch reports Ohio State President Gordon Gee was formally presented with a notice of allegations Friday concerning the actions of Coach Jim Tressel’s failure to properly notify the appropriate channels of potential player ineligibility and the ensuing playing of those individuals in the season that followed. The Buckeyes dodged a bullet as the vaunted “failure to maintain institutional control” and “failure to monitor” weren’t amongst the charges levied against the program. However, Ohio State isn’t out of the water just quite yet with an August 12th hearing in front of the NCAA to come. Ohio State’s 2010 wins (sans the season ending Sugar Bowl, of which the players in question were cleared formally by the NCAA) are all but sure to be vacated, but the chance for scholarship reductions, and a potential Big Ten Championship/Bowl ban for 2011 lingers. Stay tuned as the story continues to develop.

UPDATE: OSU has released a PDF of the NCAA's Notice of Allegations.

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

This is upsetting with how often we hear about how well and how much tOSU monitors this kind of stuff.  Would they consider how much self-reporting is done by the school before considering us a repeat offender? IMO they should.  And yes, I probably have my blinders on.

 

repeat offenders face post-season bans, the entire coaching staff could be suspended and the school could lose scholarships, according to NCAA rules.

RBuck's picture

I don't understand the possible loss of scholarships as there were no recruiting violation. Is this just thrown in for shits and giggles?

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Jason Priestas's picture

People mention the tie to recruiting violations a lot when discussing a loss of scholarships, but to my knowledge, nowhere is that spelled out by the NCAA. In short, they can dish whatever punishment they see fit.

Hoody Wayes's picture

Remember, this is business. Now, we have the governing body of that business confirming that one of its name brands did not permit “failure to maintain institutional control” and “failure to monitor.”  That means the coach and his staff are under scrutiny. The fact the coach lied and breeched his contract and the ultimate ignominy Ohio State will suffer because of it, mandates tOSU do what's best for business. 

And never forget, Ohio State is more than one coach, one player, one team. Ohio State must go forward.

Jason11's picture

How can Coach Tressel survive this?  I wouldn't be surprised to see a presser announcing his termination in the near future.  I hate to say it, but I just can't see how the University can allow him to be the head coach based on the language in the NCAA letter.

btalbert25's picture

I don't think the Buckeyes lose scholarships as a result of this.   Vacated wins? Meh, they won those games on the field, I enjoyed watching those wins on the field, I'm not going to look back and say darn, those wins weren't satisfying to watch.  Plus, the best of it all is, the BCS bowl will still count because the players were ruled to be elligible.  Coach got fined and is sitting out 5 games, if the NCAA does anything my guess if vacate the wins and suspend Tressel for a couple more games or the rest of the season. 

Bucksfan's picture

I don't understand.  The story is that Gee has now finally been presented with allegations...formally?  That's the story?  The formal presentation of allegations?  Who the fuck cares?

Maestro's picture

Hit the nail on the head here.  Just a chance for the networks to talk about his again.  It's not really anything that we didn't already know.

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BucksfanXC's picture

No, it is the official Notice of Allegations, meaning the investigation is basically over, the hearing happens now, but NOA's usually equal the final word from the NCAA. Sometimes major violations go to secondary from the report-investigation-NOA stages, but once things are in the NOA, they are pretty well set in stone.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

elaydin's picture

This seems like decent news to me.  Not even a "failure to monitor"?  Heck, Michigan even got one of those.

I say:  vacate all but the bowl game in 2010.  5 game suspension stands.  OSU on probation.

Have to be happy about how fast things are moving, as well as the fact that no new major violations were found.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

Vacating 2010 wins only sucks when it comes to conference records. Do we lose the B1G champs record?

BucksfanXC's picture

An asterik on the first ever Big Ten Championship game is going to suck. If we win our division and don't get to go because of this, that sucks.

“Any time you give a man something he doesn't earn, you cheapen him. Our kids earn what they get, and that includes respect.”  - Woody

vidstudent's picture

Good news:  the nasty labels aren't there.  We're well clear of the death penalty and they like our compliance department.

Bad news:  They're getting pissed about these lying coaches.  I want to hear what the NCAA recommends for Bruce Pearl.  We'll get less than that, but coachwise expect it to be parallel in football terms; i.e. divide the recommended coach suspension by 2.5 and look for it to be somewhere in that range.

Ugly news:  There's a good chance that the NCAA is dropping Show Cause violations in the Tennessee case - highly likely for Lane Kiffen (to prosecute the slap in the face that was his hire at USC in the midst of the Bush investigation), and likely for Bruce Pearl (that plus a massacre at the hands of TTUN = no more job).  The equivalent sanction there is a Show Cause to Tressel, which would force the university's hand to the point where the wrist breaks.

Nicholas Eckert

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Nitz25's picture

I heard the possibility of Show Cause mentioned elsewhere.  Is there any way that if they do drop a Show Cause violation on Tressel that OSU would stand behind him and actually go in front of the NCAA and make a case for why he should keep his job?  I think based on Gene Smith and Gordon Gee's statements in the presser you would think they might... but by August who knows how this long drawn out process may have changed their resolution.

btalbert25's picture

I have no idea how the NCAA rules on these sorts of situations, but I definitely think if there is a coach who can survive this kind of stuff it'll be Tressel.  Whether you like him or not, he's been pretty much an Iconic coach for Ohio State.  His tenure has seen this program as successful as any other era.  In addition to that, you see and hear the countless examples of truly great deeds he has done for Ohio State players and fans.   Add to it, he has stayed to face the music.  He didn't turn tail and run like Carrol and others. 

I think Tressel survives it.  If the university decides they aren't going to go to bat for him and prove why he should stay, I would expect to hear they are letting him go pretty soon.  Do you really wait til August to fire your head coach 3 or 4 weeks before the season starts?  Sure, he is suspended for 5 games, but I just can't picture the university waiting til then to let everyone know they aren't going to fight to keep him on board.

JKH1232's picture

Show Cause usually comes down when the coaches themselves are involved in the dirty dealings, then lie about it and twist arms for coverups.  Such as, say, coaches paying money directly to recruits, then getting others to cover up for them.  Or repeat offenders of these sorts of violations (That's what got Kelvin Sampson show caused, for example.)  Bruce Pearl might get a show cause, not so much for recruiting violations, but for calling Aaron Craft's dad and insinuating that Craft's eligbility might be in jeopardy if he talked to NCAA investigators.  So, Show Cause seems to be a penalty for big time coverups.  I don't know if "Doing my own private investigation before figuring out if I should talk to compliance" counts as big time coverup or not, but I doubt it.  After all, the NCAA seems to be giving OSU a lot of credit for this all being a self-report and being very cooperative, hence no "Failure to monitor" and "lack of insitituitonal control" in the NOA. 

Seth9's picture

Bruce Pearl is likely to get a show-cause for lying to the NCAA and attempting a cover-up. Sampson mislead investigators after committing a major violation through impermissible recruiting practices (not that any compromised a player's amateur status) and was a repeat violator, although he did not get hit with the huge 10.1 violation (outright lying to the NCAA). Tressel is accused of having committed a major violation by deciding not to inform OSU compliance that two players had taken actions that rendered them inelligible and then committed a 10.1 violation by lying to the NCAA and stating that he had no knowledge of the situation during the investigation.

Tressel has generally been a stand-up guy and a good ambassador for both OSU and college football. However, he attempted a cover-up and lied about doing so. Considering that the NCAA is putting this entirely on Tressel (and not OSU) and based on similar cases, it is, in my opinion, likely that he will get a show cause penalty.

The_Lurker's picture

To date, only one football coach has been hit with the show cause penalty. At least, if you believe wiki.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Show-cause_penalty

Willie Anderson was personally making cash payments to players at Okla St. He had a prior run-in with the NCAA while at Clemson.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I will hold all of my comments to myself right now; i'm just numb.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

741's picture

I don't feel like there is anything "new" here relating to Tressel's actions.

If there is anything surprising it is the student athelete samed in section 1. g. (the name is redacted but I assume it is Boom) sold more stuff than we may have heard about previously, and the exchanges continued longer than the other players (until May 2010), and that there was a discounted purchase of a used car from Rife that I had not heard about until today. That said, I believe the NCAA investigation and punishment for the players themselves is a closed book, so I don't think there is more downside for the players involved.

If anything, the fact that the NCAA is apparently not alleging lack of institutional control or failure to monitor should probably be considered a pretty big "win" for us today.

Maestro's picture

I agree, but that's not what is going to be screamed from the hilltops.  ESPN states "Ohio State could possibly be hit with MOST SEVERE NCAA punishment"???????

Really?

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The_Lurker's picture

Player G is not a current player. The Dispatch story mentioned 7 current "and former" players. The first six are alphabetical: Adams, Herron, Posey, Pryor, Thomas and Whiting - all current. The mystery 7th must be the former player that the Dispatch cited, but that identity has not come out yet.

741's picture

Thank you. I would edit my comments above but for some reason there's no "edit" link available. -741

JKH1232's picture

I'm pretty sure it's Ray Small- I thought that was known, but I guess I could be wrong on either of those clauses.

btalbert25's picture

Ray Small? I'm shocked to hear he may have done something that was detrimental to the program.  What a waste of a space he was for 4 years.

btalbert25's picture

What is new, is that we now know exactly what Ohio State's offcial wrong doing is.  Dodged a bullet with not having the Failure to Monitor or Lack of institutional control charges.  I do fear the other label though, Repeat Offender.  So, while no new information has come out, it is significant to know exactly what the NCAA's view of this situation is. 

I have to believe that perhaps the sale of awards, trophies, and trinkets predates the Tat 5 though.  Especially, after seeing gold pants on Pawn Stars.  Maybe this particular dude wasn't buying them, but I have to think this kind of transaction has been going on for quite some time.  I'm just looking forward to Tennessee, Oregon, Auburn, and the other schools getting nailed so that attention goes elsewhere for a while. 

wiz khalifa's picture

so, is it safe to say the vest is gone?

Jason Priestas's picture

Not at all. It's still too early to tell, but my hunch is that he hangs on. I imagine Smith will have a sense of how things are going prior to the 8/12 meeting. If he's still the coach then, expect him to survive this.

Hoody Wayes's picture

If Tressel survives, is that the best thing? They're not gonna renew his contract. With his contract up in 2015 and the likelihood the football program is damaged, is the man who did the damage, the one to restore it?

btalbert25's picture

If they don't lose scholarships or have a post season ban, how damaged are they really going to be? USC proved that kids don't care if a team has sanctions or not.  Look at the recruiting hall they had this year.  If nothing really changes other than a few wins are vacated, is there really any damage done.  If recruits keep rolling in and they end up winning and a lot, I personally think it's for the best you keep the man in place who seems to have the formula for success.  A great class just came in, we have the beginnings of an incredible class coming in next year, if nothing other than probation and the suspension are what follows I absolutely think it's in the best interest of the football program to keep him at the helm until his contract is up.

Hoody Wayes's picture

No disrespect intended...but your reply is full of "ifs." So, you're more hopeful, than certain. "Ohio State University Football, Inc." - that aspect of the team I loved long before I matriculated at tOSU - does not appreciate this type of, "if." 

btalbert25's picture

At this point everything is an "IF" scenario.  If they do lose scholarships and have a post season ban, then yes he's damaged the program.  Those are also IFs though.  Recruits are still going to come, look at other schools who have been in trouble in the not so distant past.   So, the severity of what will happen next depends on a lot of ifs.  Vacated wins and probation really won't hurt anything. 

wiz khalifa's picture

aight good, i really, really want him to stay, i just dont know what to feel right now, should i feel diffrent about this crap from what i did yesterday? i just dont think i grasp the full meaning of what happend today.

btalbert25's picture

In my opinion, what came out today was more good news than bad.  Ohio State didn't get slapped with Failure to Monitor or Lack of Institutional control which is very good.  The NCAA's investigation is basically over and no new bombshells or bad news have resulted.  The only thing that stinks is, we have no real idea what kind of punishment the NCAA will dole out. 

I like Tressel a lot, I really really hope he comes out of this and is still the coach until his contract runs out and he retires.  He's stayed to face the music when he could've high tailed it out of here like so many coaches do when the shit hits the fan.

Maestro's picture

Unless the answers that OSU has to provide to the NCAA about Cicero and Sarniak lead to something new.

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Scott K's picture

I'm gonna go out on a limb with this, but here's what I think happens:

NCAA points out in August that OSU compliance does their job well, and thanks them for it.

Admonishes Tressel for lying and fielding players he knew would/could be ineligible;

OSU vacates wins from 2010 season, including B1G Championship AND Sugar Bowl (even though players were ruled eligible, they conclude not with "new" info of 10.1 violation)

Tressel is forced to sit for either 1 extra game (making 1/2 the season) or the rest of the season (I can't decide)

And that's it. And why just this? For the simple reason that Tressel is Tressel:

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2011/04/former_ncaa_official_says...

Character matters.  Track record matters.  Who you are matters.  This will cause ESPN, SI, Yahoo, and every other bs talking head in america to cry bloody murder, but they can all suck it.  This is a good man, who made a really bad mistake. But Bruce Pearl he ain't.  Sampson he ain't.  Willie Anderson he ain't. And this certainly is NOT USC.  He's a good man who made a terrible error in judgement, regardless of his actual intentions (to look out for his kids). I find it disgusting some of the crap I read on message boards calling him a con artist, sleazy, etc.  This is one of the real downsides of the internet: any yahoo, including me, can post whatever they want for the whole world to read.  And most of what gets posted by the masses is complete and utter garbage.  (stepping down off my soapbox now..)

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

SouthPlainfieldNut's picture

The Sugar Bowl part makes no sense to me there. I mean, the NCAA had the appropriate information to make a decision on those players. The only new knowledge is that Tressel knew, which really makes no difference as far as the NCAA was concerned with suspending the players in question, because everyone knew at that point and they still pardoned the players. If they went back and then just suddenly revoked that game and victory, it would be absolute garbage. They have no problem getting the Sugar Bowl its money, but to then dish out a kind of fake justice by revoking the win later on? It's hypocritical on many levels.

William's picture

They can't touch the Sugar Bowl victory, they ruled that the players were eligible to play in it. They can't go back and change that ruling afterwards.

anchorman's picture

Yeah if they went back and vacated the Sugar Bowl victory, OH MAN, WOULD THEY GET CRUCIFIED! That leads me to believe they might not touch the 2010 wins. My guess is, they raise the fine, accept the suspension-maybe add on to it. And maybe they ban JT from recruiting off campus. Media and people in general are overanalyzing this. JT survives!

Scott K's picture

sure, i agree they would look hypocritical if they took away the sugar bowl, but that hasn't stopped them before from being hypocritical...

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Hoody Wayes's picture

Or...your capacity for self-deception is very high.

JakeBuckeye's picture

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6426819&categoryid=2564308

Fuck Herbstreit. Again.

This just shows how mature Herbie really is. He still needs to get shots in on Terrelle Pryor. I also noticed when mentioning Ohio State and our fans he used "their" and third person terms. I'm glad that at least he doesn't include himself in the Ohio State family any more.

741's picture

Somebody on the OSU staff needs to go all Mike Gundy on Herbstreit over these personal attacks on Pryor.

William's picture

I say give Pryor and Herbstreit some gloves and put them in the Octagon. We'll see who the real man is after that.

Type G's picture

Herbie has reached troll status. Best to just not listen to anything that fool says.

"No time for love, Doctah Jones!"

Brutus's picture

I've never said a bad word about Herbie.  I haven't been a Herbie apologist, but I haven't bashed him. He's a huge success in the broadcasting world and if separating himself from Ohio State was something he had to do to reach that level, then so be it.  His public spat with Pryor was embarrassing and misguided, but not something I will think about after Pryor is gone.  Him dropping the Buckeyes in his final poll seemed ridiculous and malicious, but it was the final poll and we weren't at the top so who cares.  I was very sorry to see him leave Columbus, especially because a few of the more obnoxious fan base made it too difficult for him.  Watching him do interviews with the Columbus skyline in the background always used to be a source of pride for me.  In my eyes, Herbie left town a jilted lover, but still a Buckeye.  However after listening to his latest ESPN interview, all the goodwill I had for him is gone.  Herbie has made this a personal issue with Ohio State.  Perhaps he's still very much a homer and is just hurt/worried that his alma mater and favorite team is in so much trouble right now.  But that doesn't excuse attacking Pryor and the entire Ohio State fan base.  He continues to publicly bash a 20 year old kid who has no means of recourse besides Twitter.  If Pryor were already a pro then he could just go to the media and defend himself (or maybe even pull a Jim Everret and bitch slap Herbie on his own show).  But he continues badmouthing Pryor, who for all his faults and shortcomings, is not solely responsible for this mess right now.  Why not bash Boom who actually seems to have profited more from selling his own gear?  Or why not point out all the other MoC's and Pryor's who screw up and bring shame to their teams.  Never heard him say a bad word about LaMichael James or Cam Newton, who's criminal records alone trump any misdeeds Pryor has committed.  James is a wife-beater, Newton is a thief (or at least buys stolen goods) and cheats in school.  On what planet is what Pryor did worse than that?

I think what burns me more about this latest interview is that he said the Ohio State fan base is blindly loyal to JT.  That's complete bullshit.  I'd say at best, the fan base is about 60-40 in favor of JT.  These boards are constantly debating what the appropriate punishment should be or if JT should keep his job.  The fan base has never been more divided and Herbie clearly is completely out of touch with what's going on at OSU otherwise he wouldn't be "reporting" this crap.    He has lost all objectivity because apparently a bunch of idiots constantly harrass him on Twitter so he casts us all in the same lot.  Contrast Herbie's interview with those of May and Spielman.  Those guys are much much closer to this story, yet somehow remained objective.  Pryor said it best.  Herbie is a fake Buckeye.  Fake as hell.

Sorry for the rant. 

Scott K's picture

just watched it...the interviewer actually cuts Turdstreit off on his rant before asking his opinion on what he would do...wtf?  Is he actually for real?  Why say those things, especially the recruiting dig at the end?  He must not be THAT stupid to think he wouldn't get backlash for comments like these....

Hey, I'm a big time fan, OSU legacy & alumnus, and even a little bit of an OSU homer, but come on...I think him bringing up Cooper sheds some serious light on his real feelings for Tressel.

When Mark May spouts garbage it's one thing, but to have Turdstreit, a former captain of the team say things like this, it's really unbelieveable and it has nothing to do with blind love for Tressel.  He's hurting his own program.  Take a lesson from Speilman on how to be and stay classy and objective Turdstreit (I know I'm not being classy calling him that, but it feels good)

"There's a fine line between stupid, and....clever.  David St. Hubbins/Nigel Tufnel

Nitz25's picture

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=6425980&categoryid=2564308

Spielman demonstrates how a former buckeye can deliver respectful and thoughtful unbiased analysis on the issue.  Herby should take notes.
 

Maestro's picture

Really like what they both had to say.  May did a great job of pointing out that nothing new really came from the notice of allegations.

The thing I don't get is what Spielman talks about at the end.  He is concerned about Tressel being accountable for his mistake.  Yes, I totally agree, but what about a 5 game suspension and a 250K fine is not being accountable?  Why does the punishment need to be greater than that?  Like May said, it is basically unprecedented to have a head coach suspended for 5 games.  Why isn't that enough?

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Hoody Wayes's picture

Because only one out of thirteen coaches - who have faced this level of NCAA-reprimand - wasn't dismissed.

Maestro's picture

Being dismissed is one thing.  If that happens it will suck in the short term, but it won't destroy the program.  What Spielman seems to intimate is that he thinks the NCAA is going to do something "very bad" to the program.  I don't really see how that is going to happen with all of the blame being laid on Tressel by the NCAA.  The athletic dept as a whole is not going to be gutted for Tressel's mistake.  I think Spielman is just very concerned, but I think he portrays something in the interview that doesn't seem to equate with what the notice of allegations stated.

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The_Lurker's picture

I may be wrong, but didn't all of them face more violations than JUST the 10.1 violation?