Friday Skull Session

By Jake on April 15, 2011 at 6:01a
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Time to get the Guiton-Hype train rolling.

Good morning fellow Buckeyes and welcome to your Friday Skull Session. It's the time of year for bonfires, beer, and baseball, or if you're feeling a little frisky, all three. I've already brought the old cornhole set out of dusty hiding, tossing beanbags with wittebier in hand. I obviously don't work as hard as the Buckeye football team in spring. Believe it or not, cornhole has even found its way here to the sleepy mountains of western Carolina. A Midwestern game no longer. A part of me is a little sad that such a quintissential part of the B1G football experience is not longer unique, but another part of me really likes playing cornhole; it's a conundrum.

Anyway, unlike my lazy self, the Buckeyes have little time for cornholing or wittebier-ing, as spring practice contintues at full bore. Spring games are soon to sprout like wildflowers in the morning mists, and blah blah blah. Links below!

 The Nicest D-Lineman in America. ESPN sat down with Cam Heyward to talk about his upcoming draft, his father, and his childhood. As always, Cam was gracious and classy. It's always rough growing up without a father, and he's a credit to himself and his mother. Cam Heyward also tags the movie "Heavyweights" as his favorite, a move critics may not appreciate, but what do you expect the 290lb defensive end to say?

Move Along, nothing to see here. Deadspin took a look at the history of BYU's enforcement of their honor code, finding it both inconsistent and problematic. Most interestingly, BYU has a black student body of less than 0.6% of the total student population, yet 60% of the expulsions due to honor code violations are black men. Since most of that 0.6% are student-athletes, it's unclear whether that grossly disproportionate level of expulsions is due to racial discrimination or a due to a larger microscope focusing on student athletes. 

Regardless, any time you institute a really strict code of conduct that is only intermittently enforcable, you open yourself up to either abuse of the system by the authorities or the wrong perception that the authorities are abusing the system. 

 Joe Bauserman, OSU Quarterback? Unsurprisingly, the top story around the Buckeye interwebs was the quarterback battle for backup to Pryor. Plenty of ink has been and will be spilt on the Blogosphere battlefield in the upcoming months, but I'll just throw my own hat in the ring for Kenny Guiton. He's just got a great smile. 

Real American Hero. Rob Oller over at the Dispatch writes about Bob Shaw, a little know Buckeye from the WWII generation. Recruited at 6'4" 270 lbs, Shaw wouldn't look out of place on a modern football field, but unlike most modern players, Shaw saw little fame and glory. Enlisting in the military like many his age, Shaw fought in the infantry, earning a Bronze Star, and eventually matriculated from NFL to CFL. 

The Spielmans, Hoyings, Willis', and other Buckeye greats of the past deservedly get most of the attention, but it's nice to see some of the lesser known guys get the respect they've earned as well. It's a good article about a man with a lot of heart, and it puts into perspective the way in which many of us take for granted the low-stakes nature of today's game. As messed up as the world may be, stories like Bob Shaw's help brighten the day.

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RBuck's picture

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Jake's picture

It's all coming full circle now, just as foretold by the great prophet Brewster

RoweTrain's picture

After losing last year in the 'Shoe, he saw that Minnesota misses Ohio State for the next four years and found no better time to play for his hometown team.

(Only joking, as it states it is for family reasons and I have no ill will towards him.)

Irricoir's picture

Very funny though.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Roger's picture

Heyward is definitely a fans man. He showed throughout his entire career that he was well aware of OSU tradition, was a great leader and had solid character.

I sent him a message on twitter the other day asking for football advice and received a nice response almost immediately. Very approachable.

Irricoir's picture

Jake,

    Comprising 12.4% of the general population, blacks accounted for 38.2% of the prison population in 2009.[15][26]

Hispanics comprised 20.7% of those incarcerated in 2009.[15] According to DOJ 2009 data, black non-Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 4,749 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents of the same race and gender. Whites were incarcerated at a rate of 708 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents. Hispanic males were incarcerated at the rate of 1,822 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents).[27][28]

Census data for 2000, which included a count of the number and race of all individuals incarcerated in the United States, showed for each state that the proportion of blacks in prison populations exceeded the proportion of whites among state residents in every state.[29] In twenty states, the percent of blacks incarcerated was at least five times greater than their share of resident population.[29]

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That's just a statistic I pulled. In no way am I stating  that there is no possibility that some discrimination is going on at BYU. Discrimination will likely always exist. There is no stereotype that should be applied to any race and not every member of any race will fit a particular stereotype. We have to look at the person and see his character to discern who that person is. Certain cultures idolize certain activities that don't fall within "Legal Acceptance" or some ones version of "Morally Correct". Again, this does not apply to every single person inside that culture. Regardless, whomever signs with BYU knows what they can and can't do when they sign that honor code. You were using numbers to set an examples as to how BYU could possibly be doing something wrong. I am showing numbers to demonstrate how BYU is possibly consistent with the rest of America. Don't take what I've written and attempt to turn me into a hater. I am the one who spoke up about Darrel Hazel and stated, "Praise the man for his accomplishments and merits and lets look beyond the fact that he is the first black man to be a head football coach at Kent St." I am absolutely sure he doesn't want to remembered like that and think he even stated as much. Black head football coaches are not an abnormality. We should expect great things from men of all race.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

Black head football coaches aren't an abnormality?  Don't they only make up like 3 percent of the total coaches in FBS?  I dont' know the exact number for players, but I'm quite sure the FBS is well over 50% black.  That, to me, is an abnormality.

Irricoir's picture

I guess my point was that its been done before in both the Pro and college level. Black Football coaches have won the Superbowl. Why is the fact that a man that becomes the head coach at a division one college have to have his race mentioned to make it sound like a higher achievement? If you think mentioning his race makes the achievement that much more grand, I would state that is a form of racism because you didn't expect it. I am proud of Hazell for the man that he is, and the contributions he made to our team. That is how I remember him, not by the color of his skin. I hope you see my point.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I understand what you are saying, but it's just not the reality we have.  20 years Black QB's used to be seen as an oddity, and guys were the first black QB. Over time we've seen Heismans and BCS titles won by black QB's.  The old school notions and prejudices that kept black players from being QB's are largely gone now and you see quite an increase in numbers.  Until the numbers increase, you're always going to hear, he's the first black coach at this school.  Or no other black coach has done this.  Not saying it's right, but it's just how it is. 

buckeyedude's picture

I am the one who spoke up about Darrel Hazel... 

Big deal. I voted for Ken Blackwell for Governor of Ohio.

 

 

ih8rolltyde's picture

I hate to break any long standing Midwest-centric ideas but we have been playing cornhole down here in Alabama for over five years now. Hands down, the best game that can be played with a beer in hand. I got involved in a tournament last year with some good old fashioned rednecks. The game has gone viral and if its down here, I gotta imagine its nation wide.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

buckeyedude's picture

Cornhole is too P.C. for me, and you's guys can argue about where it all started. But, call me old fashioned, I still much prefer throwing Lawn Darts on Memorial Day after a six-pack-o'-beer and bratwurst. As Larry the Cable Guy would say, "nothin' spells fun like a lawn dart stickin' out of yer brother-in-law's head."
 

 

 

btalbert25's picture

Everyone supposedly invented the game cornhole.  I have heard it started on the West Side of Cincinnati, Some town in Indiana, and just about everywhere else.  It was funny going to a game in Iowa about 6 years ago and seeing some of the cornhole boards.  I guess the idea was pretty new at that point, and they definitely weren't playing with regulation equipment.  They also refused to call it cornhole.  It was Bag-O out there.

 

buckeyedude's picture

I had a relative that tried to explain to me what "Cornhole" was, years ago. I was afraid it was something sexual. Makes you wonder why "Bag-O" didn't catch on.

 

 

The_Lurker's picture

I just can't bring myself to call it cornhole either. It just sounds like something that's illegal in most states and like something you shouldn't enjoy doing. Besides, it was just called "bean bag toss" when I had a little toy version as a kid back in the early 70s. Got it for Christmas. A year or two later, I got a Toss Across game, which also employs bean bags, but this time with a tic tac toe type of objective instead of a hole. I don't think I've thrown a bean bag since the last time I played Toss Across.

buckeyedude's picture

Damn. You must be as old as me! I had a Toss-Across! Good times!

 

 

Maestro's picture

Totally unrelated.......what's up with Keith Wells?  Anyone know?

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iball's picture

You may already know this part, but Keith Wells left OSU last summer. He was enrolled at Cleveland State, Im assuming to get his grades up. Last I heard was that he was going to Coffeyville CC, for the season. (same school Duron Carter went too) Now, that part is purely rumor at this point and he is not currently listed on the Coffeyville roster.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Maestro's picture

Actually he went to Columbus State, but as of recently I thought he had planned to re-enroll at OSU.  Then nothing.

Thanks for responding though.

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Jason Priestas's picture

Yep, went to Columbus State. Had a meeting with the coaches in March to get back into the program, but for whatever reason, it didn't happen.

Maestro's picture

So that's that?  Bon voyage?

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Jason Priestas's picture

I'm afraid so. Keith used to give us regular updates on his progress with rejoining the team, but the last time I reached out to him, I didn't even hear back.

Maestro's picture

Bummer.  Hope he is ok and lands on his feet somewhere.  Thanks for the info.

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iball's picture

Columbus/Cleveland same difference. JK I meant Columbus, not enough sleep.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Maestro's picture

ahh, makes sense now

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MaliBuckeye's picture

Another option: Student athletes at BYU are less invested in the "mission" of the University, and as such might be more inclined to disregard the Honor Code.

Deadspin talks about this a bit, in regards to how athletes are told about the Code in ways that seem to gloss over it.

While not automatically a race issue, race does play an issue in this to some degree.

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KenK's picture

Based on the history of the Mormon Church, I find it hard not to believe that race plays into it; and not in a good way.

Another factor (guessing!) is age/maturity(?) of students. I was fairly 'Honor Code'ish) as a frosh, progressively less so as I got older.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Roger's picture

I don't understand the need that our society has to ignore differences in various cultures, as if noting differences is racism. In the same way that attending an historically black university such as Wilberforce would be uncomfortable for many white people, BYU just doesn't attract very many black students.

You'll see from BYU's own demographics information that minorities in general are slightly underrepresented in general, especially black students. How much of this is affected by the demographics of Mormonism in general?

http://yfacts.byu.edu/viewarticle.aspx?id=135

Irricoir's picture

It is a religious school. Black folk don't represent a large % of the numbers of the Mormon following, just like whites don't represent a large following in regards to the muslin beliefs. I think the debate is why are the highest percentages of honor code violations occurring in the minority? Some claim the all to often cited term racism. For anyone to refute or affirm the cause as racism, they would have to have intimate knowledge of every single documented expulsion. I think you have to look at it on an individual basis. You can't sit back and say this many black men were kicked out and this many white men were not. The importance is in the details. None of us posting have those.

My earlier post was solely for the purpose of demonstrating how numbers and percentages can be used to support either case.  

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

btalbert25's picture

I think much of BYU's honor code is BS anyway.  I refuse to believe that all of their student athletes don't cuss, drink Caffeine have sex, smoke or drink.  I would be even more inclined to think that coaches and university officials probably get information about parties that occurred, and other info.  I think, as much as it had to do with race, it has to do with weeding out non-mormons.  You may let the Jimmer say fuck and have sex because he's a great PR tool, but perhaps the black guy who isn't Mormon, you make an example out of so devout, loyal Mormons feel secure in sending their kids to BYU. 

I guess it really doesn't matter, they can kick whoever they want out for whatever they want, but I would be shocked if rumors were out that Jimmer knocked up a girl and BYU kicked him out.  Just my opinion.

Roger's picture

I went to school with a large number of LDS students at Arizona State. I can tell that, at least in my experience, they do fit the stereotype.

btalbert25's picture

It may be that way, I don't know, I just think if you are going to throw thousands of people between 18-24 into one place, that despite what religion they are you are going to have some sex, drinking, Drug use etc.  I'm just not sure that BYU is as willing to kick out their own.(other mormons)

buckeyedude's picture

Maybe Jimmer knocked up a black BYU girl, and the school didn't want to get sued?

 

 

btalbert25's picture

I dont' think pointing out differences in culture is  racism.  It's when you say ALL black people are this, or those Mexicans are all....  That's where the problem is.  I'm white, but I live in Northern Kentucky in a nice suburb.  My wife teaches in  a neighborhood in Cincinnati that is split or maybe a little more white than black.  It's a really rough area.  Based on other schools and neighborhoods she taught in throughout CPS , the white people in that neighborhood are certainly much more similar to black people in the West End or Over the Rhine, than they are like me. 

How do you define a certain culture based on race? I think income and education level are more relevant when comparing certain cultures, as you can point to very specific areas on the map, that are drastically different racially, but share many of the same social traits.  You can point to an inner city neighborhood, a community in Eastern KY, and an Indian reservation in South Dakota and find VERY simmilar issues.  Racially they are very different, but socially the are pretty similar. 

Irricoir's picture

I don't know about the literal definition of culture but I think of the term culture or to cultivate. And that means to gather many things of commonality. So when I use the term, maybe incorrectly, I don't define culture necessarily by race. I define a culture more so based on a group of people with common interests.

Stereotypes are a bad thing but profiling is very useful. Ask the FBI. You can't expect every single person of any race to be exactly the same but a large percentage will be similar in different categories. This is very usefull for finding suspects commiting criminal acts.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Roger's picture

Right, I tell people this all the time. People can be stereotyped much more accurately by social class than they can be by race. It just so happens that some social classes are populated heavily with specific races.

Even within social classes, there will always be a lot of behavioral outliers. The subtlety is lost on most, I suppose.

Bucknut-in-the-South's picture

So, Jake, this actually has nothing to do with today's skull session, though I have to admit that I read it every day.  I, too, am a Buckeye living in the mountains of western North Carolina, having moved here right out of college, in those benighted times before there was an internet.  I was wondering if there was a place, perhaps in Asheville, where the few Buckeye faithful here in Tarheel/Blue Devil/Wolfpack/Volunteer country gather together to watch football, or just drink beer and make fools of themselves, something I have perfected over the years?  Just curious.

btalbert25's picture

My uncle bought a cabin in the moutains of Western North Carolina.  My wife and I took a trip down there a few weeks ago.  It's beautiful country down there.  His place was off of exit 15 I think it was called Fine's Creek. 

Jake's picture

Asheville is a beautiful town, but I've only visited. I don't really know much about the area. I'm up in the Boone area, a couple hours away. There are a ton of buckeye fans around here, but not any place they gather. I know the Beef O'Brady's has the Big Ten Network, so that's a pretty popular place for Boone Buckeyes to watch. 

Bucknut-in-the-South's picture

I live in Sylva, which is, alas, a three-hour drive from Boone.  If I am ever in that area on game day, I will surely stop in and enjoy the Buckeye karma.