Elite Eight Open Thread

By 11W Staff on March 27, 2011 at 2:00p
38 Comments

Not that today hurts any less, but open threads, like life, must go on.

In the opener, Kansas draws its draws its 3rd double-digit seed in four games (the other, was #9 Illinois), when they take on VCU with a chance to advance to the Final Four. More than a few believe the Jayhawks are the best remaining team in the tournament, but that won't be validated today with a win.

The second game features college basketball royalty with North Carolina taking on Kentucky. This one should be a war. But if you're too salty to watch, we understand.

Tip (ET) Net Site Game Favorite Announcers
2:20PM CBS San Antonio #1 Kansas vs #11 Virginia Commonwealth Kansas (-11.5) Albert/Kerr
5:05PM CBS Newark #2 North Carolina vs #4 Kentucky Kentucky (-1.5) Nantz/Kellogg

 

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KenK's picture

Let's go VCU!

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Jason Priestas's picture

Unreal, isn't it!

Buckeye Black's picture

I'll take UCONN to win it all if KU goes down.  Man, I still can't get over letting Buford take the last shot.....

KenK's picture

I don't think it was intentionally drawn up that way. So it goes.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Bucks's picture

Unbelievable and the definition of March Madness.

JakeBuckeye's picture

If Ohio State is going to lose, this is the next best thing to happen in the tournament.

cal3713's picture

At least we can take solice in the fact that the fans of every other #1 seed feel like we do.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Everyone with VCU in your final four, say "I". 

 

*Room is silent*

 

 

Bucks's picture

13,006 out of 5.9million lol.

TLB's picture

I am not watching because it still hurts, but I saw the score.

Wonder how many Kansas people looked at the bracket and bought hotels and tickets for Houston.

Bucks's picture

My guess would be ... almost all of them. Seeing that sea of pretty much ONLY Kansas fans, just amazed.

 

Will say this for VCU. They took a barrage of lumps in the beginning of the 2nd. Kansas gets to within 2? You pull it out. Wowza.

Johnny Ginter's picture

anyone not rooting for either Butler or VCU to win this thing is a communist

KenK's picture

I'm kind of tired of teams with blue uniforms, anyway.

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Jason Priestas's picture

I still hate Jorts.

BuckeyeChief's picture

And I am still angry/pissed/depressed/frustrated. I think I'll get out at my EAOS and volunteer to be Matta's adjustment coach next year.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

JakeBuckeye's picture

I just can't watch Kentucky vs. UNC. Can't do it.

BuckeyeChief's picture

I am on and off; no problem with N Carolina/Georgetown/Syracuse/St Johns.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

JakeBuckeye's picture

Oh, well I can't watch it because I picture us playing right now, on our way to a final four.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Yep.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

NoVA Buckeye's picture

if unc wins, expect multiple violations to go against the school involving jordan as a booster. he said he'll give the players FREE shoes if they win the region as long as they dont wear kobes. thats all i have to say, and it gives me a reason to root against kentucky

The offseason begins when your season ends. Even then there are no days off.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Carolina wears jordans like OSU wears lebrons. There won't be any as long as it's shoes and gear.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

BuckeyeChief's picture

So how long until the NCAA realizes that the Kentucky game refs where all on the take?

Anyway, anyone else trying the new IE 9?

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

KenK's picture

Yeah, it's OK

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

Bucks's picture

Have heard IE 9 is decent, but went to Mozilla (Firefox) a long time ago now and never looked back. Plus, I believe the new Firefox 4 mopped the floor with IE 9 on testing.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Perhaps I'll give it another try, but I kinda didn't like firefox.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Roger's picture

Chrome is very good.

nickma71's picture

To me this just shows what I think, and that is a tournament or playoff doesn't show who the best is. It shows who was hitting some shots at the time, or being allowed to pillage for the sake of getting Duke to the top. A playoff works with a 7 game series all the way through like the NHL.

BuckeyeChief's picture

REALLY hate to sound bitter, but I thought the same today.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bucksfan's picture

If you don't think this playoff shows who the best team is, then you're nothing more than a sore loser.  Butler was in the title game last year.  UConn is probably the team of the decade.  Kentucky is a top 5 program all-time.

Get over yourselves.  I'm a proud Ohio State alumnus, but the way some of you are acting is exactly why everyone hates our fans.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Its the best way to crown a champion, but not the best way to crown "the best team." There is a difference. This Ohio State team was not a champion, or at least not nationally. (They were Big Ten champions!)

And bud, maybe you haven't realized, but everyone hates everyone's fans. We just have a large fanbase, that may be second in size only to Notre Dame.

The BCS sucks ass, but its probably closer to crowning the best team in college football than college basketball's tournament is for crowning its best team. Don't get me wrong though, the NCAA Tournament is light years better than the BCS is.

ih8rolltyde's picture

Kentucky and Kansas were easily the best two teams last year, but a kid named Ali Farokmanesh, or something real close, went bananas. This is the best tournament in sports as far as drama is concerned; but rarely does the "best" team win. Duke was a much better team this year, returning smith, singler, the plumlees. Only lost the sharpshooter scheyer, or whatever, whom didn't get sniffed by the league. Nature of the beast bro. Matchups and who gets hot, and what 18-23 year old hits a shot or two. That's what wins this one.

****igan smells like old water that hot dogs were boiled in.  FACT

Bucksfan's picture

Kansas almost always chokes.  I can't tell you how many of my brackets got hosed by Kansas over the last 10 years.  Kansas is perennially overrated.

BuckeyeChief's picture

The way we're acting by banging pots in the street as we burn Wildcat flags or by complaining on a BUCKEYE FORUM amOngst fellow fans?
Also, whatever is going on towards Buford needs to stop. He sucked, we're allpissed, but no need for personal twitter attacks.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bucksfan's picture

Oh it's certainly not just here on a buckeye forum, I've seen it all over my facebook, too, and I can guarantee that many are saying it aloud in their workplaces, especially if they're attacking the players they worshiped all year.

I still don't understand what you guys are using for your criteria of what the "best team" actually is.  Is it a team that blows through a weak ass conference only to get shut down by a team that plays defense in the tournament?  Are you basing it on seeding?  The seeding was awful this year.  Michigan State?  Illinois?  They shouldn't have even been in the dance.  For the 2nd straight year, the Big East showed that they don't really have 10+ teams that should be in.

Yes, tournaments allow upsets.  They always allow upsets.  But the tournament gives teams the opportunity to play games against the tops of other conferences at the end of the year to see who the best really is.  If you can't win those games, then you're not the best.  Ohio State lost to the repeat SEC champion.  If the regular season was any indication, OSU should have waxed them.  But that's not what a tournament is all about.  Everyone starts off 0-0 in a tournament and gets the chance to go up against conference champions, co-champions and other teams with very good records.  Ohio State had a #1 seed based on that regular season, but all that does is give them a better chance of getting through the round of 32.  It is NOT a punched ticket to the Final Four.

Buford wasn't the only one who sucked.  It takes the whole team to shoot 32%.  They all shot like shit, and Matta doesn't know what he's doing when the score is close at the end of the game.

The_Lurker's picture

They all didn't shoot poorly. Take away Buford, Craft and Thomas (combined 2-22) and the Buckeyes were a respectable 47% from the field. Diebler and Sullinger were right at 50%, with Sully operating with. Lighty was at 42%. And Kentucky does play good defense. Where the entire team failed was on the 10 missed layups. 

I doubt anyone thinks the Buckeyes had an automatic ticket punched for the Final Four. Where people may be assuming Ohio State was the "better" team than Kentucky was likely based on the stomping of SEC East winner Florida on the Gators' home floor. Florida finished ahead of Kentucky in the regular season, which would lead one to believe that the Gators were better than Kentucky. So the math would be: if OSU > Florida and if Florida > Kentucky, then OSU > Kentucky.

Bucksfan's picture

47% is respectable only if it's the entire team shooting it.  And even then, it's not a great number.  You're saying 42% from your 5th-year senior is respectable?  In big games, you'll see 60% from great teams.

Umm...newsflash, that win over Florida happened in November.  The football season wasn't even over yet.  The transitive property of team quality is completely unfounded, you know it and i know it.  And if that's your only defense of Ohio State fans' mentality in losing to Kentucky then I pray to God that my degree isn't that worthless.

The_Lurker's picture

First of all, there's no need to be snarky (i.e. "newsflash"...did you really think I didn't watch the game or at least be able to read a schedule?). Can't we have a discussion without that kind of thing?

Second, Lighty's 42%, given who the opponent was and who was guarding him? Yes, I'd call it respectable. Not great, not awful. You can disagree with it and I'll respect your opposing opinion, but I know Kentucky's defensive FG% and I'll stand by my opinion on it. Lighty shot 47% this season, so to knock off 5% against an opponent that plays great D is not a stretch to call it respectable, in my opinion. YMMV. 

"In big games, you'll see 60% from great teams." Not likely. From great players, perhaps, but it's uncommon for any team to shoot better than 50% against a team that defends very well. Kentucky isn't great, by those standards. Terrence Jones and Brandon Knight are great players and they both went 3-of-10 on Friday. Harrellson and Liggins were the only Wildcats to top 40%.

On your last point, I don't understand what you think I'm "defending." You asked a question about where people get ther "best team" criteria. I offered you what I believe to be a major reason why people thought Ohio State was better than Kentucky, and some believed significantly better. I never even said I subscribe to that line of reasoning, though I can understand why some would.  Poo-poo it if you like, but I guarantee that's how a lot of people arrived at that conclusion. Was Florida a better team in March than November? Sure, but we'll never know how much better because we didn't get to play them at that time. All we know is that we went into their house and beat them like they were Tennessee-Martin. And then they went out and finished above Kentucky in their division.

My own mentality on why we lost to Kentucky is three fold:

1) OSU missed 10 layups in the game.
2) We failed to read the pick and roll all night, so Harrellson went off.
3) Buford went 2-of-16. Even a horrible 25% shooting night from The WB would have been enough but he managed something even more unspeakable.