Monday Skull Session

By Luke on December 27, 2010 at 6:00a
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Good Morning everybody, and welcome to your case of the Mondays Skull Session. I hope your Holiday break (regardless of faith, creed, background, or amount of familial interaction) was fruitful and relaxing. If you worked these last several days? Big ups to you; being away from family isn't easy, but in the long run, sometimes it can pay off.

From an Ohio State standpoint, this weekend was full of some painful, painful stupid. We'll address all that in due time, but let's quickly touch on a few of the things you missed this weekend while you were busy shooting your eye out:

 While you were playing with that new Kinnect... Episode two of Eleven Warriors' longest running solo produced and operated podcast, the Eleven Dubcast, reached episode two. Guests include 11W's own Alex, former Deadspin contributor Chris Driver, and editor of Arkansas' best sports news hub The Slophouse, Mr. Matt Jones, got on the horn with Johnny and yours truly to dish on The Sugar Bowl. Tastes just as fresh now as it did when it launched Friday. Plus with the suspensions for a few notable Buckeyes not taking effect until next season, no harm no foul on essentially 100% of the topics discussed. Go listen (or re-listen), because work let's not kid ourselves, doing work without at least a soundtrack of some type is pretty much the worst.

Our very own Kyle also had a few hundred words worth digesting on Ryan Mallett finally having his shot at the Buckeyes. While he never had a shot of his very own under center for the Maize and Blue, his window of opportunity will likely be closing with his NFL stock likely never being higher than it is right now. Here's hoping he winds up more on the 'never' than 'now' side of the ledger when everything's said and done.

 Tab. Your sources. Woof.  Now onto the DERP'dom: Something called Tab Bamford (potentially either a mild mannered alter ego of a "Kick Ass" style super hero without any actual powers or maybe the human incarnate cancer causing diet drink popular in the 70's/80's) ran with a completely unqualified "report" that per his "sources" Jim Tressel would be out as Ohio State coach following the Sugar Bowl. We won't link the original report both out of respect to your intelligence but also to deprive an attention starved turd mongerer the page views he so sorely craves to validate himself. While the story's roots were completely devoid of logic and being in touch with reality, John Taylor over at CFTalk none the less did a fine job of debunking the poop chute:

For what it’s worth, we spoke to one potential recruit and he’s heard nothing of what’s being reported, either Tressel stepping down or recruits being told that they are “allowed” to look for other options. Of course, until a Letter of Intent is signed, football players are allowed to look around regardless, so this is yet another data point that makes this “report” smell of something you pull out of a pond.

The “report” also mentions numerous violations committed during Tressel’s time in Columbus — including the most recent one in which Terrelle Pryor and four other players were suspended for the first five games of 2011 for impermissible benefits — intimating that was the impetus for his alleged decision to part ways with the school.

A source close to the football program we spoke to a couple of minutes ago called word of Tressel stepping down “complete (really bad word) (bad word)”, however. 

That's to say nothing of the report's claim that 2-15 ex-Arena Football coach Chris Spielman would inexplicably be "a leading candidate" to replace Tressel. While we love Spielman as the legend of the Shoe that he is and feel that his work as a TV analyst has improved leaps and bounds from his first year, to think that he'd have a shot at any job on any Buckeye staff outside of maybe a position coach is a bit of a stretch. Still concerned this is just some hyper elaborate smoke screen? Athletic director Smith has a few words for you:

STILL a doubting Thomas? How about the writer's Chicago Now colleague raising serious reservations about its veracity?

So for now, the rumors are inherently discredited. There could very well be a spark of fire behind the smoke somewhere. But if anything were to happen regarding this situation, it's not going to come out until after the Sugar Bowl. So take anything you hear about Tressel leaving these days with a grain of salt.

...And that just happened. When your fellow bloggers are openly debating your credibility, it's more likely than not that you have none. 

And that's to say nothing of 'Bamford' 's Michigan fandom, his affiliation with the least credible, hackiest sports organization in the universe, or the Occam's razor of it all: the matter of fact that a Chicago based Joe sportsfan with no remotely formal ties to Ohio State leadership or the football program would inexplicably out scoop the entire Ohio State beat, every pay site, every traditional media outlet in the state (we're talking print, television, and radio), blogs, and all national writers far more connected than he is would be anything but the simplest explanation.

Jim Tressel isn't going anywhere, folks. He'll coach out the remaining seasons on his contract and fade out gracefully. Move along. And next time let Shelly Poe and co. enjoy their Christmas in peace for a change.

 Hey look! Something shiny! While it was such a slow news weekend (for obvious reasons) that pure dung like the aforementioned was all the rage, some folks out there were still doing the lord's work and encouraging us to focus on, you know, tangible sports'ish things:

Arkansas’ offense, which got off to a slow start, has put together an impressive run in 2010. Bobby Petrino’s attack stands as one of the best in the nation — and among the best in school history — averaging 37.3 points and 489.3 yards a game.

But its production will be put to one more tantalizing test when the Razorbacks (10-2) meet Ohio State (11-1) in the Sugar Bowl. The Arkansas-Ohio State matchup has been regarded as one of the most intriguing games in this bowl season and the reason is simple: the Razorbacks’ top-flight attack will go head-to-head with one of the nation’s best defenses.

Arkansas is eager for the test. It’s one the Hogs are confident they’ll pass, too, after what they’ve accomplished.

“We’ve played a lot of top-ranked defenses,” offensive tackle DeMarcus Love said. “We look forward to it. We’re not going to back down from a challenge. Not with the way we’re rolling right now. Not with a guy like Knile Davis. Not with the receivers and the offensive line we’ve got. We’re up for it.”

Ohio State has been tough to crack this season, slowing opponents with a group ranked in the top five in the nation in every major statistical category on defense. The Buckeyes are ranked third in scoring (13.3 points) and second in total defense (250.6 yards). They are fourth in the nation against both the run (94.3) and the pass (156.2). 

While Arkansas' been cooking with gas all season, the fact of the matter remains that at least statistically, this should be the highest caliber defense the Razorbacks have seen all season. As we've touched on a few times in a few different in a few different mediums, Ryan Mallett hasn't exactly been at his best against the highest caliber D's on Arky's slate having racked up massive amounts of yards but thrown just 7 TDs to a somewhat damning 5 INTs. Hopefully Chekwa, Torrence, Howard, et al. can join that list of benefactors.

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craigfling's picture

Why is there talk of Tressel leaving after his current contract expires? He won't go to the NFL right? So why wouldn't he just keep re-signing, assuming the offers come?

oribiasi's picture

Tressel would be so dumb to leave.  He is god-on-earth in CBus, even with these recent allegations.

craigfling's picture

He's not that old though neither, right?

tomcollins's picture

He's 59 now.  Not everyone wants to coach until death like Paterno.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Retirement. You know, not everyone loves being an old (and useless as far as coaching is concerned) figurehead. Tress will be heading into his 60's when this contract expires. He's had a great coaching career and 60-ish is a great place to end it.

RBuck's picture

First time I heard this..seniors discussed whether the Tat5 should play. From Lesmarises:

 http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2010/12/post_34.html

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

iball's picture

"the fact of the matter remains that at least statistically, this should be the highest caliber defense the Razorbacks have seen all season."

..and this will be BY FAR the best offense the Buckeyes have faced all season.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

buckeye33's picture

A little cold down in Delray !!!

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

I'm in Boynton Beach... and it's too damn cold for me!!  If this continues I am changing my name to Equador Buckeye.

iball's picture

25 in Dayton, screw you guys.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Chris Lauderback's picture

LOL. Exactly! It's 22 in the capital city right about now. At least it's not snowing. Still, gonna be a cold walk from the lot to the Schott tonight for the hoops game.

iball's picture

"Oh, its 49 degrees here in FLORIDA!!! Time to break out the long sleeve tee shirt!"

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

BuckeyeSki's picture

Come on over to NY buddy....we only got a foot and a half of snow and its currently 8 degrees...stop crying LOL

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

Ski - I was up in 'Cuse a few weeks back and I've never seen snow like that before.  I had to turn on the hazards and idle back to the hotel.  What part of NY are you in?

BuckeyeSki's picture

Albany...its just as bad here bro

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BuckeyeSki's picture

I was playing BlackOps instead of watching the snow fall, but yeah, that about sums it up

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KCAlum's picture

It would be an easy decision to bench the Tat 5 if we had a competent backup QB, but Bauserrman blows goats, and it would be an automatic loss playing the worst OSU QB since Jim Pacenta in the game.

gwalther's picture

Co-sign.

Class of 2008

M Man's picture

What do we have to do to disown "fan" Tab Bamford?  We can't exactly choose which out-of-state residents, who never went to school anywhere near Ann Arbor, who (presumably) just like the look of the maize-and-blue helmets and such and et cetera, et cetera, and who might want to list "Michigan fan" on their bio-pages.

The guy was ridiculed and savaged at MGoBlog, very nearly as effectively as he was on these webpages.

I think this is what happens to people who are second- and third-generation Chicago Cubs fans.  It is like the slow buildup of mercury in exposed families, passing the placental barrier and leading to complete, stark, raving, madness in later generations.

Buckinnc's picture

I can't find the second dubcast on iTunes. Any info?

Johnny Ginter's picture

not sure why it isnt on there yet, but we're working on it

btalbert25's picture

Way off topic, but I'm surprised no one has mentioned Troy Smith's sideline tirade yesterday.  It's usually customary to attack a QB for being upset on the sideline around here. 

btalbert25's picture

Here's a link if you didn't see it.  Looks like Ginn tried to be peacemaker with little success. 

http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/12/27/singletary-exits-but-leaves-lasting-images/

PALM BEACH BUCKEYE's picture

Singletary seemed to piss everyone off...  Notice Teddy Ginn giving it back to Singletary also....  never a good sign.  He lost that team awhile ago.  Troy and Teddy will soon be coached by a former Michigan QB (Harbaugh).

Is it Saturday Yet's picture

It looked like Singletary said something to Troy that pissed Teddy off while Teddy was trying to cool Smith down.  Not sure how rubbing a sweaty towel in anyone's face would cool them down......

gwalther's picture

Singletary is an idiot, regularly savaged by Niners fans this season. That's different than a player going after, say, Jim Tressel on the sideline.

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

I find it funny that you are willing to crucify Pryor because of his sideline fire, but regarding Troy "its ok." Face it, in the game of football, this happens to even the great ones.

gwalther's picture

Jake, I'm not sure you're ever going to agree with an opinion of mine. I hope you got a chance to read my reply to your post about me in a previous thread.

Class of 2008

JakeBuckeye's picture

Just read it. The problem is your agenda against Pryor. Its been there before this latest suspension and I can assume longer before that. The agenda is clearly evident in the way you responded to Troy's sideline "blowup." If that were Terrelle, which it was at one point (except not really at the coach like that), you'd go for his head. In fact, you've brought Terrelle's sideline fire up while criticizing him.

Look, you clearly like (or love) Smith. I do too. Let's remember that Troy disgraced the program more than Pryor did by taking money from a booster. I've got to say, taking money from an actual booster of the university is worse than selling YOUR OWN PROPERTY. Pryor made these mistakes as a freshman. I'm completely safe in assuming he's grown up a bit. I'm also willing to forgive him. From the way you have responded (arrogantly and smug) you're not. That's a shame and inconsistent on your part.

AJ's picture

wasnt his property...otherwise he'd have been fine...right?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

It was his property. Given to him. DeVier's mom breaks it down for you:

"There's no crime here. None. They're not involved with agents. They didn't steal anything. They didn't borrow anything from anybody. It was theirs. Nobody told them it 'almost belongs to you.' It belonged to them."

One with common sense would think it would be fine, but think again because we are dealing with the NCAA here people! Meanwhile, Cameron Newton steals a laptop, cheats multiple times on major assignments/papers, and you know the rest all without punishment. Funny, huh?

blazers34's picture

lol, no doubt. i think the towel rub pissed him off more than anything.

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

I don't see us winning with all this BS going on. And I didn't reallly think wed'd beat them before this all went down. 0-10 anyone?

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Is it Saturday Yet's picture

I was pretty confident we would win before this and it depends on who plays for how I feel about it now.  This tatgate thing is having a negative effect on my interest in the game itself.

iball's picture

I can definitely agree with distractions being a major concern, but I just can't chalk it up a week early.

Lots of folks have benn hating on Pryor, trust me, he plays better pissed off.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

btalbert25's picture

He's going to be in beastmode unless he gets benched.  I can definitely see him playing a great game in his last audition for the NFL.  It would be stupid for any of these guys to come back.  Getting in there game 6 next year it's going to take them at least 2 or 3 games to get into game shape/and knock the rust off.  You don't want to be in first week for halfway through the season.  None may  have great draft stock but it certainly will drop next year. 

That's why I have no problem with any of them playing the bowl game.  They'll all be out to prove something, couuld play their best game ever.  The NCAA has essentially forced them to leave early with the 5 game next season suspension.

RBuck's picture

Agree. Gene Smith basically said the punishment was more than enough in a Dispatch article this morning. This 5 game suspension totally effed up these guy's draft potential. They're screwed if they go early, or sit out almost half a season. The one with the hardest choice is TP. 

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

Bucksfan's picture

From what I understand, the NFL may have a very meager draft next year due to the labor concerns.  If that's the case, and if a lot of the talent comes back to college hoping for more money the following year, then it might work out in these OSU kids' favor just to get drafted at all.  I don't see Herron as a solid draft pick, and Posey needed another year to bust into the 1st round anyway.  Pryor was going to need a different sort of season in 2011 to bust into the top-3 QB's available in a deeper year.  Had he done the same old-same old he did this year, he might be no higher than a 3rd-rounder at best.

So, that's fine.  If they want to head off and do what's best for their families, then so be it, even if it's for league-minimum.  That's what got them into this mess in the first place anyway.  Hopefully it doesn't backfire for them.  They're still Buckeyes to me.  I wish they hadn't done something boneheaded, but that's life, and I'm over it.

One of these days it'll all come together again.  Maybe it'll be the Miller, Hall/Smith, Brown squad that takes us there?

btalbert25's picture

yeah, I honestly can't see them improving their draft stock in essentially 1/2 a season.  Seems to me it can only be hurt by coming back.  I just hope it doesn't cause Brewster to jump early also.  That would be a devastating loss in my opinion, especially since we're probably looking at Adams taking off.  Virtually the whole line will have to be replaced.

yrro's picture

I honestly think that for at least Pryor, Posey, and Adams, this mess probably cost them a couple million dollars.

If Pryor continues his rate of improvement through next year, he's one of the top 5 QB's taken. Adams was on track to be a high draft choice just by playing as well as he did this year again, and Posey has always had first round athleticism, if he fixes his case of the dropsies. If they leave early they're lucky to go higher than the 5th.

Chris Lauderback's picture

Apparently, I'm a very stupid lone wolf. Go figure. I keep trying to make sense of this in my mind but I still think at least 3 of the 4 come back. I just don't think you compound one mistake by making another. I see Boom or Posey possibly turning pro but not both and for whatever reason I do think TP and Adams come back.

I'm thinking the suspensions might at least get reduced to 4 games which puts these guys in control of their Big Ten destiny and while they sold their swag, I can't help but think that does matter to them on some level. Also, while these guys were incredibly stupid, I do believe they care a little about their personal legacy (ie: pryor and his constant records chatter) and if they don't come back and try to right a wrong, they know they won't really ever be that welcome here. Time will tell, but I don't think them leaving is the done deal that many are suggesting.