Championship Saturday Open Thread

By Jason Priestas on December 4, 2010 at 3:15p
87 Comments
You're our only hope, OBC.

Confession time: I love the OBC. Even though he's been known to talk trash about the Buckeyes (see 2007), the guy is the best quote in college football, bar none.  So that's why it should be pretty easy to be a Gamecock fan this afternoon.  After all, Spurrier is our last hope to keep the Newtons out of the MNC.

TIME MATCHUP NETWORK
3:30PM ET #2 Oregon at Oregon State ABC
4:00PM ET #1 Auburn vs #19 South Carolina CBS
7:45PM ET #21 Florida State vs #15 Virginia Tech ESPN
8:00PM ET #9 Oklahoma vs #13 Nebraska ABC

Comments

KenK's picture

That is a great quote.  And the JRodgers Show is underway in Oregon!

Johnny Hooker: "He's not as tough as he thinks". Henry Gondorff: "Neither are we".

tampa buckeye's picture

what if oregon and auburn both lose?  tcu? come on no one wants that.  TCU vs Wisconsin/stanford. Herby was saying this week auburn would still get in.

Buckeye Black's picture

Well I think if either one loses TCU plays for it, the computers like TCU.

Jason Priestas's picture

Even if Auburn were to lose today?  Would think there'd be a shot we'd get TCU/Stanford or TCU/Wisco.

tomcollins's picture

If both Auburn and Oregon lost, yeah.  I can't see Stanford going ahead of Oregon even if Oregon loses.

Wisconsin is a bit a of a wildcard, but the computers hate them since they have only played 2 good teams all season (and lost to 1).

The only interesting question in my mind is if Auburn loses today, do they still get to play Oregon.  I would put them ahead of TCU, but it gets harder with TCU vs. Oregon who to put in front.  But with Auburn strongly in front, I don't think this question even comes close to happening.

Oregon could choke today, but I wouldn't count on it.  Would a 1-loss Oregon with a difficult Pac-10 season and a blowout against Stanford be worth more than TCU running the table?  I'm pretty sure it is more impressive, but not sure if the rest of the voters would. 

Jason Priestas's picture

Looks like the Beavers hired Greg Robinson as a consultant this week. Learn to tackle, gents!

JakeBuckeye's picture

Why wasn't Barner flagged for forming an "O" with his hands/gloves?

JakeBuckeye's picture

Wow, apparently Cliff Harris completely ripped off Mike Hart's "little brother" comment. Nice one.

Jason Priestas's picture

About as bad as a state with absolutely no ties to the Civil War holding one of their own.

Jason Priestas's picture

Even if Oregon State were to receive 10 points for each touchdown, I fear that this one is already over.

Meanwhile, Auburn/Mike Slive is getting it done in the SEC championship game.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Now its over. I held out hope if Oregon State had scored there.

Matt's picture

This is an awesome later-to-be-vacated SEC Championship game

Jason Priestas's picture

Yup.  Pretty sure that's why the OBC isn't sweating the two score deficit. 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Oh my God, Newton is on the verge of tears after fumbling. You hate to have schadenfreude on basically a kid, but there's no way I can help myself. I wish the worst to Newton and Auburn from here on out.

Dang... Interception...

Jason Priestas's picture

That fake punt Chip Kelly just dialed up was pretty impressive.

Jason Priestas's picture

And... the Ducks cash in. This one is over.

Jason Priestas's picture

Hey, I'd love to look stupid over that comment.

Jason Priestas's picture

That Hail Mary was unreal. Best that money can buy.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I actually hadn't seen that until now... I switched it to the Oregon game once SC had scored... And now damn, why is Riley kicking these FG's.

Johnny Ginter's picture

oregon infuriates me because i truly think they are overrated as an offense. it is no coincidence that teams have started to play them tougher and tougher as the year goes on: they've got an offensive scheme that works less and less the more tape you have on em, and once teams know what they're going to do they really don't have the ability to make significant changes during games.

admittedly it is a great scheme but i really don't think the Buckeyes shutting them down in the rose bowl was some crazy fluke. a team with a really good defense could easily give them a run for their money but hey guess what we won't see that unless USC can pull off the upset

Jason Priestas's picture

Yep.  And their lack of a kicking game will come back to haunt them like it did in the Rose Bowl.

Kurt's picture

You're right, they're not that good, not MNC good anyway TALENT-WISE. And there you have the brilliance of the scheme: 1st year starting qb, and not a ton of talent on the team but yet they ran the table.

Johnny Ginter's picture

right, but my point was that it makes me mad that there's another team that also ran the table that could quite possibly do the same thing to the ducks that we did, but because of the BCS they wont get a chance to

poguemahone's picture

I'll second you on this one, Johnny. I think Auburn and Oregon's success have a lot to do with the fact that there aren't many elite defenses in college football last year, and it irritates me further that none of them reside within the confines on the Pac-10 for Oregon. Auburn gets some credit for shredding teams with elite talent (if not elite production) like LSU and 'Bama at least. But I'm not impressed by Oregon putting up big numbers on weak defenses like Stanford and Arizona State.

The most infuriating thing for me is that Oregon isn't going to face an elite defense in Auburn either. So unless Nick Fairley and company go ape, we're going to be hearing a lot more about ZOMG CONDITIONING AND SPEED AND UP-TEMPO for quite a while.

Kurt's picture

Right, the BCS is bs and who knows what would happen in a playoff. I don't entirely recall shutting Oregon down last year.
I think this is a down year in all facets. There are no great teams, but there are a few coaches out there doing a hell of a lot with what they have. The up-tempo zone-read/power spread offenses are not passing fads though. You're going to be hearing about it for a reason: it utilizes talent, scores points and wins games.
Auburn and Malzahn's offense faced an incredible match with Saban/Smart, but yet they adjusted and came back. I agree that Oregon has not even come close to facing that sort of challenge, and they won't aganst Auburn either, but that's the way it goes.
Ultimately I'm not pissed at Oregon or Auburn, rather I'm frustrated we're wasting our riches of talent.

poguemahone's picture

The up-tempo zone-read/power spread offenses are not passing fads though. You're going to be hearing about it for a reason: it utilizes talent, scores points and wins games.

Actually, we'll hear quite a bit about any offense that scores points because they put the proverbial butts in the seats and generates more ratings than defense, special teams and Tresseball. That it's the zone read, up-tempo offense this time around isn't what's frustrating; it's people pretending that Oregon is somehow better conditioned than every other elite team out here, or that this new offense has OMG REVOLUTIONIZED COLLEGE FOOTBALL that grates. It's just the standard ESPN hype claptrap; it's a great offense, but it's not the end of defense as we know it.

Ultimately I'm not pissed at Oregon or Auburn, rather I'm frustrated we're wasting our riches of talent.

Bah, humbug. Oregon lost 38-8 to BYU in their bowl game a couple years back, and got clobbered by Boise both times they played them. Auburn went 5-7 in 2008 and fired their coach. I'll take the last five years of our program over theirs. Every Buckeye fan wants Ohio State to hop on the latest supernova in college football; two years ago everyone wanted Pryor to be Tim Tebow to Todd Boeckman's Chris Leak, then we wanted him to be Vince Young, now we want an up-tempo spread, no-huddle offense akin to Michigan and Oregon's. I'm rarely completely happy with our offensive results, but I can't deny that 9 times out of 10 (or, more appropriately, 10-11 times out of 12) it gets the job done. If Jim Tressel changed his offense as often as fans want him to change it, we'd be latter Tubberville-era Auburn: 5-7 and dead last in the conference in total offense.

Kurt's picture

No, the up-tempo zone-read/power spread is revolutionizing college football.  If you don't think it is then you're just fooling yourself.  Even the stodgy, head-stuck-up-their-asses NFL teams are dabbling in the wildcat and zone-read looks. 

It's not standard ESPN hype, most of the announcers don't even know what they're talking about when it comes to these offenses, they're just thrilled to see their faces on those play-calling boards.  The offenses are getting hype bc they win.  And I see these offenses proliferating bc you can simply plug different QB's in from year-to-year.  You can't do that in traditional pro-style offenses bc they're too complicated.  That's why these offenses work, they're really really simple.

Johnny Ginter's picture

which offenses are you talking about? auburn and oregon run two different systems entirely, and TCU another still. hell, if you look at the top 10 teams right now you might find maybe 3 with roughly the same offensive scheme.

i think it's weird that you write "zone read/power spread" like they're essentially the same thing; darron thomas can certainly get yards with his feet but cam newton has literally 160+ more rushing attempts than he does. oregon relies on a lot of misdirection and tempo, but they are nothing like auburn in terms of scheme.

also it's kind of funny that you say this in a year when the ultimate throwback power team in the country, wisconsin, is just mowing down everyone in front of them.

teams are going to do what their coaches want them to do based on either the coaches' personal philosophy or the talents of the players. jim harbaugh isnt going to install the zone read, tressel isn't going to go up tempo, and dantonio isn't going to do some mike leach funslingin.

in a broader sense i agree with you somewhat; the success of multi threat QBs like vince young and dennis dixon have led to some changes in how some teams do things in a general sense. but do teams look at oregon and go "oh we gotta do that?" no.

poguemahone's picture

Whenever there is a successful offense other than Ohio State in college football, Ohio State fans clamor for the Buckeyes to adopt that offense. It's ridiculous.

btalbert25's picture

I agree totally, people are pissed about an 11-1 season, that's really wasting talent. 

poguemahone's picture

The Wildcat is the definition of a gimmick offense. That's why NFL teams use it 1-3 times at most per game. The zone read has been around for a decade, and nearly every offense incorporates it into their gameplan and have done so for about five years, ever since Vince Young ran it to perfection. That's a very slow, plodding revolution. 

The offenses are getting hype bc they win.  And I see these offenses proliferating bc you can simply plug different QB's in from year-to-year.  You can't do that in traditional pro-style offenses bc they're too complicated.  That's why these offenses work, they're really really simple.

Really? How did Oregon do when Dennis Dixon went down? How good was Auburn without Cam Newton?  How was Michigan when it had Steven Threet and Nick Sheridan under center? 

I think it's a gross misstatement (and counter-intuitive to your point) to say these offenses work because they're "simple". If they were simple, they'd be easier to defend. No offense is "simple"; each has its own complex array of formations, routes, and assignments, even if it may not look like it in on the field. I doubt Oregon's offense is any easier to run than, say, Wisconsin's.

Kurt's picture

I think the wildcat can be brilliant.  I don't watch much NFL at all, but from what I've seen it's only used as a gimmick there, not as part of an offensive identity of even philosophy and that's their problem.  The way Nebraska began to use Burkhead was very interesting to me when the flirted with throwing the ball.  That's when the wildcat goes from gimmick, to defensive nightmare.  Think, if you could have multiple athletes on your sideline that could run and throw fairly well (I don't always mean run like TP or Cam, and I don't mean always throw like Peyton or Brady), your team no longer has to hinge on the abilities of one stud qb (or in the case of the NFL, a multi-million dollar money pit). 

That's what I see in Oregon from last year to this year.  Everyone was OMG Masoli at this point last year.  He's only an adequate passer and runner, but put in a system like that where he doesn't need to be great at either suddenly he performs very well straight away.  He goes away and the plug Thomas in there.  Again, probably only an average passer and runner, but the system is pretty simple for him to step into right away.  I don't mean simple for a defense to defend.  Yea, there are many different formations etc, but the way it operates is quite simple, whether its Malzahn or Kelly (who are both different).  Each are run-based offenses, that's pretty conservative when you think about it, but I think it also means that the stress on the qb is much less.

Yea, there are cases where teams have still completely collapsed, Oregon in 07.  I'm not sure but I think Rich Rod is just much less flexible within his offensive approach than Kelly or Malzahn which is why that first year with Sheridan/Threet they sucked so bad.   I watched Malzahn incorporate Chris Todd (and unathletic qb) into his system last year.  But this is also where I think the study of these coaches and philosophies are very young and so interesting.  Yea, it's only been around a decade, I'm fascinated to see what happens in coming years.

Also, Wisconsin isn't quite as uninnovative as you might think.  They're also utilizing a fairly recent innovation:  the fly sweep.  They're using speed to create mis-direction and thus it accentuates they're power runners.  If they were just pounding up the middle without any mis-direction/constraint they'd suck like Pitt.

btalbert25's picture

I always laugh when I read that we are wasting our riches of talent.  What other team in America has sustained the success the Buckeyes have over the last 9 years?  Oregon has had 2 or 3 really good seasons.   Maybe USC, and they didn't run a zone read offense.  So arguably the 2 most successful teams, with the most NFL players drafted had the most success in the BCS era. 

Florida and LSU had a couple of titles, 1 more than Ohio State, but they've also had more bad teams over that stretch.  Oklahoma and Texas have had good teams, but again, not the sustained success the Buckeyes have had.  This notion that Ohio State just wastes talent is unfounded.  This year, despite what some may think, was as success.  1 team, the number 5 team in America who no one wants to play right now, was the only team to beat us this year.  If the way this program has played the last 9 years can't make you happy then damn, nothing ever will.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

Lucky sons of a preacher man bastards.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Barner put up the O again, flag 'em!

Game's over now.

Johnny Ginter's picture

welp game over, time to hope the OBC can distract cam by making it rain on some naked ladies on the sidelines long enough for garcia to score some TDs

JakeBuckeye's picture

I was really counting on a shake up this weekend too...

Johnny Ginter's picture

yeah me too. i really, really would love to see TCU in the NC game because A) i think they deserve it and B) whenever either auburn or oregon has had to play a defense with a pulse, they've looked straight up bad at times. i want to see one of these teams play TCU, because frankly i think they could beat both of those teams head to head. maybe even comfortably.

JakeBuckeye's picture

This SC game isn't over. Decent reciever = Uhoh for Auburn's defense

JakeBuckeye's picture

And my heart dies a little inside. This year blows.

Buckinnc's picture

For a qb guy, obc cannot coach one to save his life

BuckeyeChief's picture

I am going to go on the record and say this season, overall but not including the Buckeyes, sucked. No final week dramas, 2 teams I hate playing for it all (at least inyears past I could pull for Bama, Texas, Oklahoma, FSU, etc). Not going to be an enjoyable bowl season for me.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bucksfan's picture

I don't get you people.  Two teams that have never played for a BCS national title are going to Glendale.  Florida and Texas fell flat on their faces, losing to their rivals as a kicker.  We had Notre Dame finally break its streak against USC.  USC...another program to fall flat on its face.  Three teams tied for the Big Ten championship at 11-1 in the last year a shared title will ever occur in that conference again.

This was a fine year in college football.  There is no real controversy with who's going to the national title, the other BCS games should be entertaining, Ohio State gets its shot against an SEC team in a bowl most likely.

The only thing that really sucked was Ohio State's schedule, and the fact that they got their doors blown off by the only team to finish in the top-25. But, there's still a Sugar Bowl to win.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Huh? That comment is ironic, because this year is probably one of the most controversial years regarding who is going to the title game. Auburn is going to the BCS National Championship game. If you haven't been under a rock this week, you'll understand why that is a disappointment. Not to mention that the best team in college football (in my opinion) will be sitting at home for the game. Two teams with little-to-no defense will be playing in the title game, which has a great chance of not even existing a few years from now. How can I possibly be generally statisfied with this year when the NCAA is trying to skew the champion? Also, I hate Oregon. They're in my top three hated programs in college football right now (1. Michigan, 2. Whatever SEC team is on my mind, 3. Oregon).

Bucksfan's picture

Jake, you can hate these teams all you want for whatever reason you want.  That's your problem.  Point is, they're undefeated and unless you were living under a rock all year you'd understand that they both deserve to go to the national championship.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Not our fault Miami and Iowa sucked; USC Notre Dame was skewed due to NCAA violations; VA Tech and Nebraska where dissapointments; Texas' QB regressed; Miami was so bad they fired their coach; the Cam Newton situation; TCU looking legit then Utah losing to Notre Dame; Bama losing three games; Navy and Ricky Dobbs dissappointing; the Big East;

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

BuckeyeChief's picture

The North Carolina agent scandal; AJ Green; Oklahoma barely beating Cinci and Air Force; Virginia still looking dead; Iowa underwhelming; Indiana post Terry Hepner;
Sorry man it's been a shitty weekend... Bummed out.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

Bucksfan's picture

Miami got injured.  If we lost Pryor, we'd have lost 3 games this year at least.  We played them when they were at full strength and beat them down.

"It's not our fault Miami and Iowa sucked"...irrelevant to the discussion.  Ohio State won those games.  The point I'm making about OSU is that they should not have gotten bitchsmacked by anyone.  Oregon was in a similar situation against Stanford, down big early, and what did Oregon do?   They iced Stanford for the rest of the game and blew them off the field.  I'm more pissed that this season was ripe for Ohio State's taking, and the Buckeyes choked it by taking a week off.  It's the same sort of pissed off that I still am for Ohio State losing to a USC team last year that ended up losing 4 games.

There are disappointments every year, there is scandal every year, there are down conferences every year, there are dynasties that fall off every year.  This year is no different than any other year, except that we will have the only 2 deserving teams playing for the national title (usually there is marked controversy).

Cam Newton didn't take any money.  Period.  You can whine and dine all you want about it, but the fact is that his dad solicited money, yet no money ever changed hands...and it didn't involve Auburn University when it occurred.  Punishing Auburn for Cam Newton's dad asking Mississippi State to pay their son would be unfair.  If this had to do with OSU, and we had Pryor's dad making the same dumb decision, say, asking PSU to pay Pryor to get him to sign, we would be IRATE if the NCAA came down on Ohio State in any way.

JakeBuckeye's picture

 Musberger changed his mind about 12 times there between Helu scoring or not scoring.

"HE'S GONNA GO! FOOT RACE! HE'S FREE! ONE MAN TO BEAT! TOUCHDOWN!"

Irricoir's picture

Broyle after dropping the punt return lay under the pile wrestling for the ball. He then reached over to the Nebraska player under the pile and gouged his eyes through the facemask. I hope someone from the NCAA saw that. I have it paused on my DVR now.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

Buckinnc's picture

Braxton miller looking good in the state championship game

Buckinnc's picture

Spoke too soon. Just threw a pick

Colin's picture

He played really well despite that pick, he accounted for all 4 touchdowns. He was throwing really well. The early penalties and the D's inability to stop St. Ed's offense in the second half killed them.

Buckinnc's picture

Wayne's D did him no favors. He played great though

TLB's picture

Could Martinez be the best QB in the Big10 next year?

Buckeye Black's picture

Doubt it.  Not with Pryor and Denarded being there.  He is good, but he will see top defenses game after game next year.

JakeBuckeye's picture

How am I supposed to believe that your opinion has nothing to do with race? I mean, it sounds kind of douchy of me to accuse if an outsider sees it, but you and I know the discussions we've had regarding QB's. Have you seen how Martinez has played in the second half of the year? Have you seen how he has thrown tonight? Did you see that goal line interception?

Buckeye Black's picture

It has nothing to do with race.  Martinez will be a second year starter facing teams he's never seen, going against what will be a 4 year starter (Pryor) and pretty much a 2 1/2 year starter in Robinson.  Pryor is top 5 in efficiency, I'm not saying Martinez will be bad, he just won't be the best QB.

Buckeye Black's picture

Also, Cousins and Persa will be back.  The Big Ten is loaded at QB next year.

JakeBuckeye's picture

My comment was directed towards TLB, not you. Me and him oft have arguments about Pryor and other African American scrambling quarterbacks. Hearing him say that about Martinez (who is also a scrambling quarteback) naturally makes me believe that race highly influences his opinion.

TLB's picture

Was just a question.  No need to get all worked up.

I actually think that with Miller as a possible backup next year, Tress may let Pryor do a little more with his legs.

JakeBuckeye's picture

It wasn't the question, although that adds to it. It was the "c'mon" response.

Irricoir's picture

Not knowing your history with this fella, it appears that you overreacted or was reaching but if you have insight to this blogger I can understand. I did'nt see anything wrong with his response or question but you apparently know more about him than I do.

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I once suggested that race may be a factor a while back when he was talking down Pryor maybe a month ago or so. At that time, it was an overreaction on my part and I highly regretted posting it until now. Now that I saw this though, I find it hard to regret my original suggestion. This guy talks down Pryor a ridiculous amount. He constantly leaves snide remarks about us having a defensive end playing quarterback during game threads on this site, knocking Pryor's ability to throw. And the way he said "c'mon" to a person who said Robinson or Pryor may be better than Martinez next year like it was silly of them to say, even though Martinez has really struggled throwing the football throughout the second half of the year.

TLB's picture

You dont know me so your race comment doesn't bother me.  Tells me about you though.

 And I did see the INT in the end zone.  Reminded me of someone but I can't think of who.

iball's picture

Dont forget about Cousins

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

iball's picture

Addding the Big 12 champion can't hurt the B10. Wonder how Texas bounces back? I though Mack was Redneck Tressel and won 10 every year, wow.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Johnny Ginter's picture

he's too old to rock, no more rockin for him.

seriously though texas has a horrible offensive coordinator and they somehow completely screwed up their talent evaluation on defense. that team is still a huge mess and will probably not be that good even through next year

TLB's picture

Can I rescind my original question?

Irricoir's picture

Wonder if Hicks wants to return to Ohio State?

I don't always take names when I kick ass but when I do, they most often belong to a Wolverine.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Don't forget about Marve.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

JakeBuckeye's picture

Jesse Palmer makes a general statement that its tough to root against Auburn and Newton right now. I that kind of ironic being that everybody outside of that part of Alabama is finding it very easy right now.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Mrs BuckeyeChief said Palmer was scary looking.
Hard as hell to root for Auburn, but objectively looking at it, I think they will kick in Oregon's teeth; Oregon is about to get the big game choke artist rep...
Any notice Lou Holtz repping for us? He even called out Oregon as being flukey and us exposing them.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

JakeBuckeye's picture

Really? Damn, I hate missing those types of things. I too agree, Oregon is the same overhyped story as last year.

BuckeyeChief's picture

It was on ESPN pre-ACC; basically said Oregon started off hot last year and slowed down towards the end and was beat soundly by the Buckeyes, and he saw the same slow down this year.

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

blazers34's picture

hopefully this hasnt been talked about already, but does anyone know if huber heights wayne won tonight?

Troy0782's picture

They lost actually: 35-28

It was not for a lack of a monster night from Miller though: 15-24, 207 yds, 2 TD's & 75 yds, 2 TD's rushing

BuckeyeChief's picture

Herbie will jump on the nuts of any guy not wearing a Buckeye jersey; seriously, thedude from Nebraska is his favorite ever?

 

"Damn I miss El Guapo"

KCAlum's picture

The "N" stands for nowledge!

TLB's picture

Nebraska o-line is not real good