Your Vent Thread

By Jason Priestas on October 16, 2010 at 10:02p
336 Comments

Yes, it sucks.  It wasn't supposed to go down like this, what with the abundance of talent and kind schedule.

But, really, this was the game we had circled on the calendar as the most likely to derail Glendale hopes. In Big Ten play, especially on the road, you have to be ready to play as a team for 60 minutes. Not 30, or even 40.  And once again, we're reminded of just how tough it is to go unbeaten.

I feel for the seniors -- especially Dane for sacrificing so much of his body tonight -- because they likely won't have an opportunity to play for a national championship, but this is still a quality team that will do some damage.  And there's still a lot of football to be played, so who knows where things will end up.

At any rate, get your vent-on, but remember to keep things constructive and civil.

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poguemahone's picture

I like big butts and I cannot lie

you other brothers can't deny

Denny's picture

Both constructive, and civil. TIP OF THE CAP, SAM.

Taquitos.

Joe Beale's picture

I wonder if we'll ever teach our linemen how to block.  Wisconsin put on a clinic tonight; hopefully Adams, Shugarts, and co. were paying attention because they obviously haven't learned it yet.

AJ's picture

it felt like they ran 4 plays....including one bubble screen

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I really have no complaint overall with the OLine.  We were behind the eight ball all game BECAUSE OF OUR FUCKING KICK RETURN COVERAGE TEAM.

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southernbuckeye's picture

yes the special teams suck! think we need a coach for that?

southernbuckeye's picture

the line is awful!! we get these top notch guys, and they can't block anyone!

AJ's picture

iball...cmon dude....drink another wine cooler and calm down

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

In my mind (as small at that is), it is absolutely inexcusable that a program that recruits and plays at such a high level has such bullshit special teams, particularly kick coverage.  That set the tone for the whole night as it obviously shook the teams confidence in the first half.

Frankly, if I were the head coach, every player who blows coverage and lane discipline that results in a TD would immediately be given a free ticket to Div III football because he wouldn't have a schollie at Div 1 anymore.  Did I say inexcusable?  FRACK!

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poguemahone's picture

Sometimes

You gotta roll the hard six

iball's picture

+1

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

tampa buckeye's picture

Maybe Sabino should be playing? Just saying he would be a difference maker.  What sucks is college fuckball has no playoff system and we are out of it.  This team is better then that.

iball's picture

You all take OSU football way too seriously, step back and look at it for what it is. Are you seriously going to be satisfied with beating a crappy scUM team and a trip to the outback bowl?

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

AJ's picture

arent you calling for jimmy's head?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

IF thats all you got STFU

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Jason Priestas's picture

So much for my pleas for civility.

Jason Priestas's picture

I don't even understand what you mean.

Denny's picture

Yup. It's just sports.

Taquitos.

tampa buckeye's picture

If we win out we won't be the outback bowl.  I just can't believe we could stop the run.  That was unreal.

Blake's picture

It's games like this that true fans show their colors. This team hasn't had many losses like this, which is why it feels so foreign. It also speaks to just how dominant Tressel and Ohio State have been in the Big Ten this past decade. All users suggesting Tressel be on the hot seat, or saying TP isn't a "big-time quarterback," please get some perspective and take off your jorts. Thank you.

iball's picture

Fair weather fans are the best kind of fans. You settle for shit and you will have shit.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

tomcollins's picture

This team hasn't had many losses like this because we play so many weak opponents each year.  Against decent opponents, we DO see losses like this all the time, which is why we are pissed.  It's pretty much guaranteed that we walk into these games with mediocre gameplans, lazy players, and terrible playcalling, and lose games badly.

 

It's frustrating because it HAS happened over and over again and it shouldn't.

Another Jason's picture

Let's see...

2010 Wisconsin - good team (so far) - L

2010 Miami (FL) - good team (so far) - W

2009 Oregon - good team - W

2009 Iowa - good team - W

2009 Penn State - good team - W

2009 Purdue - terrible team - L

2009 Wisconsin - good team - W

2009 USC - mediocre team - L

 

Looks to me like our last three losses were against three different kinds of teams.  We THOUGHT USC was a good team at the time, but they proved us wrong.  Purdue? I think that's why they say Any Given Saturday...  Besides, wouldn't you think that top 10 programs would have most of their losses against other top 10 programs?  Are we supposed to mad because we're willing to play those teams in the regular season, or because there are a lot of good teams in our conference?

Meanwhile, we're 4-1 against the last 5 "good teams" we've played.  Don't immediately discount Big Ten opponents like the haters do.  This is my least favorite thing about my fellow Buckeye fans: half of the time is spent bitching because "they" don't give us any credit, and the other half is spent acting just like "them."

This a damn good program.  Tressel is a damn good coach.  This team is a damn good team.  Be a damn good fan.

BuckeyeSki's picture

+100 Best Comment yet the morning after....

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collisionbend's picture

I don't see the Bucks beating Iowa, sorry. 10-2, BCS #15 tops.

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
collisionbend's picture

Oh, YES. They aren't that good, sorry. We'll beat Michigan, but not by much.

Anonymous Corn Chip Bowl, on ESPN 15, on December 28th.

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
Another Jason's picture

Um, the Iowa that gave 28 to a mostly 'Nardless Michigan?

anchorman's picture

Whatever. Put the gun down. Step away from the ledge.

buckeyedude's picture

Put the gun down AND step away from the ledge? That's overkill, isn't it?(pun intended)

 

 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Tampa in January.  yummmm

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JakeBuckeye's picture

Ok, this is where I draw the line. Do we not say this almost every year? I'm not giving up hopes on a Rose Bowl or an at large BCS bid.

anchorman's picture

We will be playing in a BCS bowl!

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't know whom to yell at.

Tressel? The offensive line? The defense? Pryor?

I can't even see myself getting amped for any game the rest of the season. It was national championship or bust for me.

poguemahone's picture

Why is the offensive line getting so much hate? They were finally run blocking tonight and gave up sacks only when Pryor held onto the ball for eons 

JakeBuckeye's picture

I wasn't really hating on the offensive line? Just aimlessly searching for something.

Joe Beale's picture

Maybe it's because the other team's line was so much better.  It's all relative.

RBuck's picture

I would guess because Shugarts and Adams got beat like a rug.

"It's just another case of there you are". ~ Doc (1918-2012)

buckeyedude's picture

Agreed. Shugarts did his Alex Boone "turtle" imitation.

 

 

741's picture

I feel like the DEF didn't adjust really at all when it was immediately clear they were getting beat at the line of scrimmage. I feel like in the handful of games we've lost in the last five years that has been something of a recurring pattern.

A couple of random observations - and I could be completely wrong - but did we not see our biggest DT Hankins on the field like at all tonight? He's been a significant contributor so far this season - kind of surprised he was not being rotated in to add heft and fresh legs in the heat of the battle at the line of scrimmage.

Also, is Newsome really our best option as a replacement for Homan? If so, I'm not sure we are deploying our LB resources (from a position standpoint) as well as we can. I fail to see how Sabino and/or Dorian Bell cannot have a role to play in the DEF. 

Tressel needs to place the responsibility of kick and punt teams on a specific assistant coach next year or sooner - this committee approach is not working. Further, we need to recruit another kicker ASAP - Basil does not have the ability to get the job done. I'm sorry to go after a specific player, but I've got to call a spade a spade here. Maybe one KO in 15 is a touch back - not acceptable.

741's picture

Edit: I guess the question of whether Newsome is the best replacement for Homan was answered actually... i.e., "no."

Sweat moved over to replace Homan and Newsome replaced Sweat... But again, how is Sabino or Bell not a better option than Newsome? Should I be pissed at Sabino for wanting to redshirt this year (he would be an asset on the kick return team - and could be starting now, assuming Homan is dinged up for a couple weeks) or pissed at the staff for putting him in a role in which he cannot contribute this year on DEF?

Colin's picture

If Sabino didn't redshirt he would be in the same situation Sweat is in, which is only playing about 25% of the time because our defense is always in the Nickel. Waiting a year and then replacing Brian Rolle will mean 2 full years of playing time, and on the field for every snap. I'm sure he would find that a good deal.

buckeyedude's picture

I believe I saw Hankins in there a few times. Definitely saw him when Wisky got close to the goal line, but it mattered not.

 

 

Another Jason's picture

I feel like settling for the first FG was a crucial error.  It sent a message to the team.  Missing the second one wasn't a really big deal at the time, but it could have made a difference later on, assuming everything else went the same up to what would have been a 21-21 tie.

Other than that, I don't have a lot of complaints.  We were in a hole from the get-go and didn't do enough to get out.  The crowd was crazy and had lots of props.  Pretty sure we saw a dude dressed as a banana on the field at the end.

Sometimes you're the bug.

iball's picture

Maybe I should have said, you all settle too easily. But, please, just one person say they are happy we won't play for the title this year.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Jason Priestas's picture

It definitely sucks, but going undefeated is damn near impossible to do. How many undefeated seasons do we have in the last 30 years?

Denny's picture

ABOUT 29 TOO FEW, BRAH.

/Derp

Taquitos.

thePhilipJFry's picture

your plea for sanity will win you no friends tonight.  I want blood.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

What idiot will be happy we arent in the BCS Championship game?

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JakeBuckeye's picture

What's better? Getting exposed now or an the NC game? Yeah, that's what I thought.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I'd rather replay 2006 every year and get a shot at 2002 than replay 2008-9

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collisionbend's picture

Oh, goody! We get to play in the Anonymous Corn Chip Bowl this year! Whoopee! </sarcasm>

"There's a fine line between perception and reality." -- Luke Fickell

 
Another Jason's picture

Are you seriously asking if anyone is happy BECAUSE we won't play for the title?  Or you just too drunk to properly form a question?  No fan of any team doesn't want to play for the title.  But weren't we happy last year when we won the Rose Bowl?  I will be happy if this team wins out and wins their bowl game.  Not as happy as I would've been in the alternate world where we're undefeated national champs, but that's not happening, so it's time to move on.

Natty Light's picture

dont knowwhat our d line wasdoing the 1st half...was dex in or hankins?

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Larimore

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AJ's picture

dex was getting rolled like a school boy b****

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

iball's picture

oh wait, you agree with me on that. I was calling Dex out since the 1st quarter! look it up.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

AJ's picture

then i guess we can settle on something because dex looked like he didnt belong out there

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Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

Highlights of Boise State make me puke. While OSU and Nebraska are busting their asses to get/stay number 1, they get a Pass Go/Collect 200 BCS votes here

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You're probably too young to remember the tiome the Weasels rolled over in the Holiday to allow BYU to win a National Championship.

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Joe Beale's picture

I remember that.  At 6-6, they were probably the worst Michigan team that Bo ever coached.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Well our Big Ten reign is over, and with this team, it's inexcusable. We ain't going to the Rose Bowl either. This was worse than Purdue. This team has no balls, sorry. WTF is up with Pryor?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Pryor, as many studs do when they don't get alot of help try to do too much.  He was over striding on his passes and trying to do things out of what my coach called the fundamental zone.  He tried to do too much.  This game wasn't on him.

 

DLine and Special teams.

 

Oh yeah and recruiting Coordinator....COULD WE FIND A REAL FUCKING KICKER instead of a MLS reject?  EVen Zook has one for Chrissakes.

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anchorman's picture

Seriously?! STF up!

iball's picture

so far, Im the only one being told to shut up. Even by 11W writers. I've been a major commenter for 3 years now. I'll stand by the S&G til I die, but this isn't getting it done.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

AJ's picture

isnt jim part of the S&G?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Jason Priestas's picture

If it's any consolation, my wife is up in Madison watching the game with a friend that is a UW grad.  She sent me a text saying she told her friend (and other Badgers nearby) that OSU doesn't rush the field for any old win.

iball's picture

And why is that Jason? Because the B10 title and beating Michigan IS NOT good enough. This is a championship caliber program. We are not Wisconsin, or Iowa, or Penn st.  Wisky just won there national title. Its good enough for them. I dont want to be a fan of that kind of program. Higher standards at OSU. Period.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Jason Priestas's picture

I think the standards are already high enough for the Buckeyes. You just can't win every game you play, that's all.

AJ's picture

for the life of me i cant figure you out iball...

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iball's picture

Why because I stand behind my team, but Im not afraid to call them out?

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

AJ's picture

....hmmm no thats not it....because im pretty sure thats what everyone on this site is doing....try again

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Roger's picture

Congrats to Wisconsin for being our Purdue this year.

There's only one explanation for why the better team loses in football: because it's football, and that's part of what makes the game great.

EJ's picture

Wisconsin sure as shit looked like the better team saturday night.  We couldn't stop their run game all night and gillreath looked FAST on that return. 

BuckeyeChief's picture

And yes, just venting but crap this sucks.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Denny's picture

Pretty much what I've gleaned from a lot of the derp-tastic overreactions: a 2-loss team should pretty much go full-blown seppuku mode. Absurd.

Taquitos.

poguemahone's picture

Last year totally SUCKED, right?

Denny's picture

I'm getting flashbacks just thinking about it. H8 u, 2k9.

Taquitos.

BuckNut's picture

I think big blame to D line...got destroyed, played soft. Pryor didn't make many big plays but wasn't his fault. D maybe a little overrated? Win out Rose Bowl, that's the goal now I guess?

Orlando Buckeye's picture

I wish my yard was this emo, so it would cut itself tomorrow.

Johnny Ginter's picture

i am way, way more mad about the defense playing poorly than the loss.

also this is in NO WAY worse than purdue. holy shit. not even close.

Denny's picture

Yea the defense looked silly, save for the third quarter. The offense was pretty schizo.

Taquitos.

Jason Priestas's picture

Mark May has an autoerotic asphyxiation session lined up for later tonight.

Poe McKnoe's picture

I told everyone i was watching the game with i thought he was working one off to the score at half. at least he waited till after.

Kurt's picture

TRESS! HIRE A GODDAMN OFFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!!

Johnny Ginter's picture

the playcalling was fine, TPs execution was poor in general for a lot of the game.

the d-line just got completely woked. we probably win this game if we don't consistently give up 6-7 yards on 1st down. the d-line concerns me the most out of everything in this game, but honestly even that can be chalked up to a total inexperience this year playing a team like the badgers.

dunno. bucky is better right now. hopefully the team can get it together for next week.

RoweTrain's picture

And that's what the problem was.  When they kept getting second and short it was the worst thing that could happen.  The O didnt do shit in the first half but when you get down by three in the second half then that's when the D needs to show up and they didnt.  It's not like the D held for a half while the O figured shit out.  They got worked in the first half and needed to step up the ENTIRE second half but didnt.  Plain and simple.

Kurt's picture

Johnny, with all due respect, there is no way in hell this can be pinned on the defense!  You can't possibly expect to hold every team to 10 points.  We held USC to 18 last year and still managed to lose bc this offense could only put up 15. 

We're not utilizing talent on the offensive side of the ball.  Terrelle never has or ever will be a Manning - much less a Troy Smith - no matter how desperately he wants to be!  He is not a pocket passer.  He is a runner first, passer second.  Thus we are wasting his talents.  He is also to blame bc he's insists on becoming something he isn't. 

I'm not saying fire Tressel.  Absolutely not.  I'm saying, he's being ridiculously stubborn in not giving up play-calling and hiring a real offensive coordinator (Bollman doesn't count).  The special teams are probably also suffering as a result bc he's become so thinly spread.  It's insane.

Colin's picture

Kurt with all do respect how can you not blame a lot of it on the defense. They were flat out embarrassed out there. Our Offense was rolling and got us to within 3, but our defense was still unable to stop them.

Kurt's picture

Colin, again, look at USC last year, we gave up 18 points and LOST.  At some point, the offense has to get their shit together and score some points to win a goddamn game!!!  At OSU we're spoiled with incredible defense year in and year out (or a shitty Big Ten schedule - see 2006) and when they give up 20 we suddenly blame them for the loss.  It's goddamn ridiculous.  Who's in charge of the offense?!  Tressel and Bollman.  Bumbling fools.  Tressel is a GREAT head coach, underrated recuiter, great special teams coach among many other things, but for god sakes the college game has moved beyond his vision of how to run an offense.

JT's picture

Frankly, he should first hire a Special Teams Coordinator

iball's picture

What ticks me off the most is we knew what wisky wanted to do offensively. No secret there. And we couldnt stop it.

In Tressels defense, Johnathan Newsome is solidifying his reasons for sticking with experienced players.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Jason Priestas's picture

Yeah, between the opening kickoff setting the tone and their offensive line coming out and punching us in the mouth, that was the ballgame, pretty much.

CDbucks's picture

Well, what do you all expect? It's Jim Tressel. You take his positives with his negatives if you want him to be your coach. That's just the way things roll. Yearly 10+ win seasons, consistent domination over inferior foes, never an App. State-style upset. All well and good. But also an atrocious record against top ranked teams in big time games. It is what it is. If people are happy with this (and judging by the amount of defensive comments in his support, lots of you are) then you just have to selectively forget nights like tonight. Or the 41-14 game. Or the 35-3 game. Or losing to a 5 loss USC team last year. Etc, Etc. 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You sir, are an idiot.

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CDbucks's picture

What did I say to make you unhappy? The uncomfortable truth? 

Look, there's nothing wrong in an of itself with being the most consistent BCS program of this decade. Look at what happened to UM after they offed Carr. With Tress we know we'll never sink to those lows. 

But on the flip side, JT's record against highly ranked opponents (looking @ end of season rankings, not the rankings of teams @ the time), in big time games, speaks for itself. All I'm doing is not being in denial. It's a cost-benefit analysis tradeoff; we'll more likely than not lose the closely matched games against other elite programs, but we'll also always remain an elite program. 

If people are okay with this, then you just gotta accept nights like tonight.

Or are you just gonna flame me so more and say I'm not a "true fan"?

Johnny Ginter's picture

last year OSU beat 5 teams with 10 wins at the end of the year, something that's never been done in the history of college football. youre mad and being pissy and also being wrong

CDbucks's picture

I never said he NEVER wins big games, clearly he wins some of them, just like any other big time D-1 coach. It's just that he's also lost more than his share. 

jesus people what do you want me to say? JIM TRESSEL- GREATEST COACH KNOWN TO MAN KIND. NEVER LOSES BIG GAME. EVER. 2002, 2006 AND 2007 NAT'L CHAMPIONS. DESTROYED FLORIDA IN 06 41-14. DESTROYED THE MAD HATTER in 2007. STEAM ROLLED USC TWO YEARS IN A ROW. 

damn, gain some perspective. you can support your team without being COMPLETELY DEVOTED to a coach and blind to his faults. Every coach has his faults and strengths. Not recognizing them is like stuffing your head in the sand. I outlined JT's strengths clearly above as well, and expressed my thanks that we'll never go the way of That Team up north, but at the same time, you people need to be able to think more objectively about Tressel. 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Saying he has an atrocious record in big games IS your exact words.  OR are you retracting them?

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CDbucks's picture

he does have an atrocious record. he lost 2 nat'l title games in a row for starters. he lost to USC twice, during the weakest era of USC this decade. Lost to texas in the fiesta, lost to an insane coach who doesn't properly understand the idea of "timeouts".

but he also wins some. like the big10 games last year. like the oregon game. but how many of the big games in the past 3 years before last have we won versus lost?

 

All I'm saying is have to damn perspective. 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Perspective?  So, what, you're going to draw the line at three years?  So 2002 doesn't count.  Winning a NC with a gamer of a QB and a stud DT that swallowed running backs like John Clay whole and a stud MLB that might be the most consistent killer htter at tOSU since Jack Tatum?  Or beating the biggest offensive genius of our generation doesn't count? (OK last one is lame).

Tressel has won games that he shouldn't and lost games that he shouldn't.

So did Woody.  I know.  I was in Ann Arbor in 1969.  It was my first road trip.  I watched the 1976 Rose Bowl.  I was in East Lansing in 1974.  You need to accept that no one is perfect.  OSU has had 8 undefeated seasons in 120 years. 

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Blake's picture

I mean, no one is disputing Tressel hasn't lost some big games. I just don't get what that argument has to do with anything tonight. Wisconsin wasn't even that highly ranked...

 

Considering how much Tressel has owned this conference, I think it's not a huge offense that he drops a game here or there against big ten teams every now and then. Do I like it? No. I want to win every game like everyone else. But we honestly probably shouldn't have even beat Wisky in 2008 either...we pulled that one out of our asses. Same with Michigan in 2005 quite frankly. For every bad loss in-conference Tress has, we have a ton of gutted out and big wins to follow suit.

CDbucks's picture

what it has to do with tonight is that we always seem to somehow just fall short of expectations year in and year out. and then its "next year". or wait till so and so develops. it would just be nice to know we'll win the entire damn thing every once in a while. 

but maybe my expectations are too high. judging by the comments around here. it's "unrealistic" to expect perfection every year. maybe so. but tell me that its not unrealistic to at least expect perfection each coming year, and for at least some of those years, to have the expectations be met. 

Just another "spoiled" fan who always EXPECTS greatness, I guess. Wonder what Woody would have to say about the program's current state. 

Blake's picture

Good lord man. How many big games in the BigTen has Tressel won? Sure, the games we've lost (UF, LSU, USC+2) have totally sucked, but I at least remember the big time wins before that. You're pretty much bitching about losing to a teen-ranked Wisky team on the road. It happens. It happened to 'Bama last week in conference. Ohio State has owned the big ten enough that I don't think this loss tonight counts against Tressel's ledger of winning over highly ranked teams...If your expectations are to continually go undefeated every year and beat every elite team we face, you will never be satisfied.

CDbucks's picture

If only winning Big Ten games is enough for you, then yea, he's won a lot. I ACKNOWLEDGED AS MUCH above. "inferior" teams? Wisky, PSU, nowadays UM, etc are all "inferior teams". Clearly we recruit enough talent to be a NCG contender year in and year out. AS I SAID BEFORE, thats a CREDIT to TRESSEL. But with that level of talent and "being" ohio state, and not some middling 2nd tier school like Sparty, comes the HIGHER LEVEL OF EXPECTATIONS. 

If we lose a CLOSELY CONTESTED game against a team thats just as good as us, then why would anyone bitch? The problem with the losses is that, if it's against an out of conference team, we usually just get spanked (you can lose to florida but you cant lose by that much, you can lose to an sec team but not to the freaking mad hatter, you can lose to usc, just not during the weakest year of carrol's reign, etc etc), and if its a big ten team, we're clearly BETTER than they are and shouldn't lose. ANd yes, to his CREDIT we rarely lose them. BUT when we do, like tonight, it sucks and you people shouldn't be AFRAID to hold him accountable for it. FYI thats DIFFERENT than saying "off with his head!!!"

But hey, what do I know, clearly i am not drinking enough of this Jimmy Tee Kool aid. 

Blake's picture

Like I said...I don't really understand what losing these big nonconference games has to do with tonight. Why is that even a discussion point? It's not even relevant. The 2006-2008 seasons are over with and we're trying to move on here. We just pounded Miami a month ago. It's not our fault Miami might just be a solid football team, and not a great one. It was a BIG nonconf at the time it was played and Ohio State dominated. And did you not watch the Rose Bowl by chance...

CDbucks's picture

"but he also wins some. like the big10 games last year. like the oregon game. but how many of the big games in the past 3 years before last have we won versus lost?"

 

 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Why are you drawing the line at 3 years?

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CDbucks's picture

it was just a hypothetical.

 

but if you wanna go down this route, b/c college football is a what have you done for me lately business. thats just the nature of it. if you dont appreciate this fact you get left behind and become a FSU or Nebraska or other once mighty program. 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Or you can fire your coach and hire the next Dick Rod and totally destroy the program that the previous three coaches built.

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CDbucks's picture

B/c thats the ONLY outcome that EVER happens when you fire a coach and hire a new one. No other possible alternatives, ever. 0% chance of improvement

 

Clap-clap-clap. 

buckeyedude's picture

I'll tell you this CD, I live in Toledo, and as you may know, there are waaaaaay too many Misheegoon fans here, and life has been a lot more pleasant around those dipshits since Tressel went to C-bus.

Was at a bar last night where there were a couple of scUM fans and they were being their usual obnoxious selves. I had a few "friendly words" with one of them, and he followed up by saying, "we know our team(scUM) sux, so all we have left is to root against OSU."

I don't like to knock Cooper, because he seems like a nice man, but damn CD, don't you remember the 90s?

 

 

CDbucks's picture

I do. Nebraska and Florida State were dominant powers. 

Where did they go this decade? TO MEDIOCRITYVILLE. 

Have fun over there, complacent fans scared of shaking things up even just a bit (Could we just hire a real OC? PLZ? Tress can keep his million dollar salary and all the cronines he wants... just pleaseee hire an OC for the love of christ)

 

Denny's picture

Kudos, and thanks for letting us know what happens when people freebase cynicism and entitlement. 

CLEARLY TRESSEL IS A PIECE OF SHIT.

Taquitos.

Buckeye_in_ATL's picture

Vent? Wisconsin's girls are ugly. And their band is full oof sexual deviants. Let's not forget about this gem from last year.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/65089-this-one-time-at-banned-camp-wi...

Denny's picture

Sexual deviants sound pretty chill.

Taquitos.

Joe Beale's picture

Final yardage totals:

Wisc. - 336

OSU - 311

Pretty close there.  Turnovers were even, so why the 13 point deficit?  Obviously the kick return was part of that.  But then you get to the red zone failures in the first half where we could have scored 14 points but got only 3.  The Badgers on the other hand scored TD's on all three trips to the red zone.  There's your game fellas.  One team can blow you off the ball and the other...well they're still learning how to block.  I wonder if Zach Boren will be our lineman of the week again.  

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

+100,000,000

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thePhilipJFry's picture

I would like to be president of the zach boren fan club  he blows shit up

buckeyedude's picture

Damn,  I guessed 320, and thought I might be too low.

Excellent point Joe. As usual, O-line unerperformed, but surprisingly, so did the D-line. Shugurts looked bad yesterday, and gave me flashbacks to Alex Boone in the NC game vs. Florida a few years ago. He looked like his feet were stuck in cement.

The down side, IMO, of being more of a finesse, spread type offense is, OSU can't pound the ball in the end zone when the field is short.

 

 

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Here's something we can all agree on...I vow to punch in the teeth and accept my 30 days in jail, anytime an SEC fan tells me to my face that the B10 sucks.  Its damn tough to win every game in this conference.

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Jason Priestas's picture

Pretty sure we can all pitch in on your bail.

AJ's picture

im actually trying to save money...so..

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

leave me your cell phone number.  I'll call you with my one phone call to arrange bail.  Plus find the best damn defense attorney the Ohio State Law school porduced,  I'm sure he'll handle it pro=bono

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buckeyedude's picture

Just call buckeyedude the bailbondsman. I got your back Todd.

And this conference is only going to get tougher next year with NU. They disappointed yesterday too, though.

 

 

JakeBuckeye's picture

Fried chicken, rolls, The King of Queens, and my pug are all trying their absolute best to cheer my up. Not sure its cutting it.

buckeyedude's picture

Jesus! If fried chicken rolls can't cheer you up, nothing will!

 

 

BuckNut's picture

Here's what ill say, I thought the first FG sucked because the playcalling was horrible on the goal line, but what do you Tress haters want him to do? His D sucked and played soft and they got beat up, his fault?

iball's picture

Now what happens when Wisky turns around and loses to Northewestern or somebody. Is this loss so OKAY then? Dont think so.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Only if you understand so little about football that you believe in the transitive rule of scores.

If A Beats B and B beats C and C beats D then D is better than A.  Is that what you beleve?  If so, leave now and go post with all the other mentally challenged on MGOBLOG.

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Tim's picture

I'm taking EDU PAES 620.04 taught by Tressel this quarter and was going to watch practice this Tuesday, but now I might wait until Penn State or Iowa week.  Anyone have any questions for me to ask Tressel on Monday lol?

Jason Priestas's picture

I'm sure you'll have plenty to choose from. When done, if you want to write up a blog post on your session, you'll earn five 11W points.

Tim's picture

Oh boy, 5 points!  Yeah, I'll let you know when I go to one and take a lot of notes while I'm there.  We can only go on a Tuesday or Wednesday, and not Michigan week.  It has to be a Tuesday with the way my schedule is, but apparently they do more on Tuesday than Wednesday anyway. 

 

Interesting sidebar from that class so far-- both times Cooper has come in, he has repeatedly told us "do not make the other team better than they are, don't give them too much credit!"  when scouting them.  Seems like a good way to go 2-10-1 against a certain team, in my opinion.

Kurt's picture

Ask him why he won't hire an offensive coordinator.  Seriously.

Johnny Ginter's picture

part of me is kind of hoping for a 9-3 season so the complete children who cannot handle a loss to a ranked team jump off the ship and never swim back

Joe Beale's picture

If it's any consolation, Florida lost again, 10-7 to the Bulldogs of Miss. St.  Urban has now lost back-to-back home games and 3 straight overall, something that hasn't been done since the days of Spurrier.  I wonder if he wishes he had followed through on that faux resignation in January.

Johnny Ginter's picture

pft urban sucks, he's just one godly QB from being fired right now duh, he's really no better than ron zook

Tim's picture

One godly quarterback accompanied by a very good defense.

RoweTrain's picture

Why not?  Because we lost tonight? Because we lose players?  I thougt we reload not rebuild.

AJ's picture

i didnt relieze that was ours?  sounds nice

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Michael's picture

That's really positive thinking, but we're going to get gutted next year by all the seniors leaving.

Saine, Dane, Boren, Homan, Rolle, Checkwa, Hines and Torrence are all senior starters. If Posey leaves early, the only two WRs we'd have would be Fields and Brown; plus possibly Duron if/when he comes back.

Matt's picture

i cannot BELIEVE this we LOOSE all the BIG GAMES

 

ARE YOU JOKING ME?!

BOLLMAN NEEDS TO BE FIRED FICKELLE NEEDS TO BE FIRED MARK SNYDER YOU ARE FIRED TOO BOLLMANS DAUGHTER YOU GET TO STAY WIHT ME IN MY BED BECAUSE YOU ARE PRETTY

 

I LOOSE MY MIND WHEN WE LOOSE THESE GAMES

 

BCS TITLE GAME?  LUKCY TO GET IN MEINKE CAR BOWL GAME

 

FIRE EARLE BRUCE.

Matt's picture

<------------------- This week in Schaudenfraude eat your heart out

Ian_InsideTheShoe's picture

HA! +1000 internet points to you, for using my favorite thing ON the internet!

poguemahone's picture

Uh, does anyone else realize this post is tongue and cheek?

Denny's picture

I did, I just wanted to post that video because it's so best.

Taquitos.

Colin's picture

I think Dane Sanzenbacher is the MVP of this team. He showed more effort and courage than anyone on the field tonight. Bashed around, flung in the air, but still always came down with the ball.

Boom played his heart out too, even with the loss......it wasn't all bad. Now we are certain who our RB is for future games.

I don't blame Pryor for this one, this was a total team loss. After the worst first half in recent memory, when the offense was putting us in a position to make a comeback, the defense couldn't match.

gringoaymara's picture

Ok,

 

2nd half started and I was super psyched.  Power run game, selective passes.  Boom ran it right down their throat.  We had talked all year that our special teams would come back to bite us in the ass and this game proved it.  Pryor looked spooked all game long, not sure if that was his fault or the o-line's fault.  Thought that our D-line would cause all kinds of problems but their o-line was humbling.  How could that be given that our D-line faced the same o-line last year???   So much of this game left me scratching my head.  Not sure what to think about our offense or our defense.  Losing Homan definitely hurt, but I felt that our safety play was absolutely atrocious, we really missed Barnett out there tonight.

Colin's picture

Different D-line for us. They have the same O line = more time to gel and get better, they put on even more weight. I expected us to have trouble but I didn't think they would get that manhandled.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Just stop. Please.

I understand what you're saying/doing right now, but just... No... This is not the time. This team won a Rose Bowl next year and the next step was a BCS National Championship Game. Their is going to be warranted disappointment, maybe overboard by some, but warranted none-the-less.

buckeyedude's picture

Just glad you didn't say, "it's only a game," like my ex-wife used to after a loss to TTUN back in the 90s. I'd be pissed off for weeks and have to face a-hole scUM fans at work.

It hurts, but hell, there are much worse things for sure. I think people get what you're saying AngelHeart, but many aren't ready to get over it, yet.

 

 

billjones's picture

i am surprisingly philosophical about all this.  I don't think there's any real shame tonight.  The Bucks didn't execute on D...  Terrelle reverted to old ways...Not totally surprising, I guess.  Let me be the voice of reason here for a moment.  We may not be as good as we expected.  Nevertheless, we're still pretty baddass.  We took Wisky's best shot & came up short...wasn't meant to be.  Simple as that.  Wisconsin CLEARLY wanted this (I am pretty sure Bielema had a testicle riding on the outcome).  We still have TONS to play for.  How  'bout we not get caught up in a Big Ten loss and just assume that Wisky was a pretty good team tonight?  Who among us would not still be thrilled to put a beatdown on a good SEC team in a Bowl?  

Okay, sky-is-falling-people, plenty to be disheartened by...nevertheless, it seemed to me that the problems I observed can be addressed. 

Colin's picture

apart from that kickoff, they weren't faster...they were stronger

AJ's picture

hahahaha

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Colin's picture

at least we can find something to laugh about in all this

buckeyedude's picture

that's funny right there!

 

 

Michael's picture

I think the only real positives from this game come from Boom and Dane. Our DL was awful, our LBs weren't great and the secondary generally looked disinterested in covering anyone tightly.

You can't blame the loss solely on Pryor, but you can't say he played well. He was 14/28 and looked jittery and uncomfortable all game.

I thought when we converted the 2-point conversion, we were going to get the ball back with the chance of, at least, tying the game. Then our defense comes out and gets pushed around like a JV team.

I'd have really liked for us to go with a hurry-up offense earler in the game. Our second TD drive took 9:56, which left little room for a defensive mistake... which is exactly what happened.

I'm really sad about not keeping the #1 ranking longer though. We were now at 94 weeks of having the #1 ranking, one more week and we tie ND for second most weeks, three or four and we tie the leader, Oklahoma.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

If you want to blame one player...it ain't TP that cost us the game.  If Chekwa doesn't get owned on that third and long in the 4th quarter, we get the ball back with a chance to take the lead.

Mind you, I'm not blaming him.  But THAT play had a bigger impact on losing the game than anything TP did

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AJ's picture

not even the high toss on the option?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Colin's picture

How about that 20-30 yard pass right down the middle when it looked like they were just going to run out the clock.... no defenders in sight. That put em in field goal range to seal the win.

buckeyedude's picture

How about the kickoff return for 6 to start the game, Todd. Just what the Wisconsin fans needed.

 

 

Denny's picture

Team's built to sustain a lead, not to come back from 21 points. Even if they'd have gotten a FG or TD with 6:30 to go, I was doubtful that they could 1) get the ball back and 2) have enough time to score.

Taquitos.

Joe Beale's picture

Pryor sometimes looked good throwing the ball, but late in the game seemed to be aiming the ball.  OSU fans these days are really spoiled after 3 years of Troy Smith.  TP wasn't great tonight, but he wasn't terrible either.  He got into a good rhythm in the 2nd half, but it all came apart after Wisky scored that last TD.  The Heisman campaign is over, but I think he will still have a very good season.

iball's picture

You want big picture? Here it is.

Ohio State football rakes in millions, MNC or not. The dollar is the bottom line. Cooper was too brash and too close to getting our program in trouble, which would have cost the university millions. So, posing as the win it all or nothing school that most fans want, OSU fired Cooper with his record vs. Michigan being the reason.

In steps Tressel. Perfect face for the school. Not too cocky, but wins enough to keep OSU in the title hunt. Which equals big dollars for the school. All the OSU bashing doesn't just make money for the media, it keeps OSU in the conversation too.

So 10+ wins a season, coupled with a BCS appearance 3 out of 4 years = $$$$

The dollar my friend, all that really matters to the people who really make the decisions.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

BuckeyeChief's picture

Alright so me complaining about a loss?

Yeah I am dissapointed. I am completely mystified by this team. We win games we ain't supposed to, (03 Miami, 04 scUM) and lose games like this and Purdue, USC last year. Losing sucks. I am trying to be a "grown up" about it.

Not calling for Tressel's head. I still remember the "Cooper" years.

This team. this program bewilders me.

In 2007 I made Chief, which is the greatest thing ever to happen to me in the Navy. The Giants won the Super Bowl...know what I remember most?

I still get grief for leaving my daughter's Birthday party early, weeks after coming back from a deployment, to watch the 2006 scUM game.

Wife's friend calling, family members calling, etc like a FUCKING joke to see if I am alive?

I don't like wearing NAVY PT gear because it's too close to scUM colors, and I wear Buckeye socks to offset it when I have to.

Like I posted before, this month alone, termites, $1100 for my car to pass inspection, then my sewage pipe backed up destroying my flooring, then my fuel pump went. But I had the Buckeyes to look forward to...

So, yes this loss hurts more than Purdue...BECAUSE we where a veteran laden team, who was SUPPOSED to contend. Tressel led teams confuse the shit out of me. It seems like every year is next year, but it ain't ever coming.

So should we accept confusion?

How many of ya'll know that the Gophers where a f'in power-house back in the day? Apathy set into their fan base.

And believe you me, I have grown up and taken emotion out of it. I ain't going ape shit crazy, blah blah blah, but I am numb.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

As long as TRessel is the coach we are in no danger of going to way of Minnyhaha.  That's the road the weasels are on.

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BuckeyeChief's picture

I know that, just saying we don't need to storm the castle gates with pitchforks and all, but we also shouldn't be smiling.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

iball's picture

Minny hasn't gone down any road. What they wont obtain there goal of 8 wins and a Taco Bell bowl appearance. Bad comparison dude.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

You obviously know nothing of College Football history.  Of course, I'm not surprised.

at one time, Minnesota was a bigger power than Ohio State.  When they went to the Rose Bowl in 1960, I'll bet not one of their fans expected them to never ever be back.

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CDbucks's picture

My sentiments exactly. 

 

You get to the point where you just kind of expect one of these losses sometime each year. Sure it's only 1 loss and a 1 loss team is a team worth having hopes for. But at the same time, ... always being the bridesmaid does really, really suck. 

 

Would I trade the past few years of consistency and just-falling-short for say USC's glorious (and eventually sanctioned, lol) run of dominance and sudden implosion this decade? 

That's the million dollar question. 

Another Jason's picture

How many BCS titles did USC win (pre-sanctions) in their "dominant" run?  That would be one.  Just like us.  To me, that question is beyond simple.

Those are the two most consistent teams of the last decade or so, and they each have just one title.  If that doesn't tell you how damn hard it is to win one (especially when you're not the darlings of a corrupt system) then nothing will.

The real question is this: Do you believe the BCS is a proper and fair way to award a national championship?  If not, why is winning it such an important goal?  

I just want to be proud of Ohio State at the end of the season, and since Tressel has been here, I am proud more often than not.  I can cheer for Tressel.  Could I cheer for Urban Meyer?  Nick Saban?  Lane Kiffin?  Rich Rodriguez?  I don't think so.

Last night's loss sucked.  It was not fun.  But I'd rather lose like that to a good Wisconsin team than win shoot-outs with Indiana.

tomcollins's picture

So we should hire the nicest coach in the world and not care if we go 0-12?  Absolutely ridiculous.  "Well, there are teams with more annoying coaches than ours, therefore we should accept mediocrity."

How many quality teams that USC beat during that run?  More than the 1 we have in the last 5.

If you think losing by getting absolutely dominated is better than winning against anyone in any way, I'm not sure what I could say.  How can we just accept being losers?  And not only that but losers against mediocre teams like Wisconsin.

Another Jason's picture

Are we going 0-12?  Are we wallowing in mediocrity?  I would rather win 10 games a year with a coach I can be proud of than win 10 games a year (or far less) with a sleazebag.

USC plays in the Pac-10.  Was that league overflowing with quality teams the last 10 years?  Their bowl was virtually always the Rose, often against the Big Ten's second-best while we were off playing for national titles.  Please find me all these quality teams they beat.

1 out of the last 5?  Please define "quality" team for me then.  Were 2009's Wisconsin, Iowa and Penn State not quality teams?  Do quality teams only come from outside the Big Ten?

Do you really want to be Michigan right now?  We are not losers, we lost.

CDbucks's picture

Yes, the "do you want to be MICHIGAN?!" defense. 

 

Well of course not. It's just baffling that all the chicken littles around here think that the moment we look outside of Tressel, the ONLY POSSIBLE LOGICAL RESULT is some sort of Rich Rod-ian Meltdown Central. Please. Plenty of teams have fired and hired a coach with great results. It's not a lock either way, but we should at least allow ourselves that opportunity.

Hell, Tressel himself is such an example. But the time comes for any coach to go, if he seems to have lost his touch for the game. But we keep on clinging to some misbegotten sense of security that he gives us. 

Whatever suits you. 

Another Jason's picture

It's not the only possible result, but where is the evidence that anyone else would do any better?  Bret Bielema just beat us, maybe we should hire him!  Is that what you want?  Again, do you want Saban?  He is obviously a terrible coach, based on his recent losses to Florida, Utah, and South Carolina.  How about Urban Meyer?  Pete Carroll?  Those guys never lost games, right?

Seriously, tell me who would be better and WHY?

We got rid of Cooper because he couldn't beat Michigan, couldn't win the Big Ten, and couldn't win bowl games.  It's BECAUSE OF TRESSEL that so many do not see meeting those goals as a successful season anymore.  So now we punish him because of that success?  Why don't we at least wait until he gives us two consecutive seasons of fewer than 10 wins?

gringoaymara's picture

pryor was 4/11 for 25 yards after the 1st half.  Tell me if that was due to TP, or WR's, or our O-line?  Seriously, I didn't see enough plays to be able to make a decision.  In my mind this game was not due to offensive deficiency, it was due to our defense allowing Wisconsin to have their way with us.  What about our stout rushing D???? What about our suffocating pass defense??  I'm a casual fan and it looked like wisconsin did whatever they wanted to do in the first half.  We came out and shoved it down their throat in the 2nd half, but than aftewards we allowed them to put together another long drive to put us behind the 8 ball.  How did our defense suck that badly???  I didn't notice any special calls by the Wisconsin offense, just that we consistently gave up 6-7 rushing yards on first down.  Felt like we got pounded into submission.  Don't ever want to feel like that again.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

In my mind, calling for people's heads is ridiculous. Wisconsin had a great team and plated very well. If we're going to lose, wouldn't you rather have it against a quality B10 opponent at this point in the season where we can still learn from it, rather than against an SEC team in the post season? This was not Purdue harbor, nor was it Florida 07, or even USC 08. This team will regroup. We will get better. At least the running game looked better, right? And Andrew Sweat was very impressive. 

buckeyedude's picture

This is a good point you make Buckeye in Athens. As Robert Kiyosaki(Rich Dad/Poor Dad author) says, "a mistake is only a failure, if you fail to learn from it."  Not sure if he was the originator of that cliche/quote.

It's very hard to go undefeated in the BigTen or SEC.

 

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

Hats off to Wisky though.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AJ's picture

isnt it back to the drawing boards for us?...because we lost...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

BuckeyeChief's picture

I would say so.

TP- What the hell bro? Staring down recievers again? "Come on kid, your better than that"

Posey- way to forget how to catch the ball.

Dayne- "You have my undying loyalty"

The entire D-line?- Jesus H. Christ. The supposed strength of our team is suprisingly mediocre this year. At some point you gotta get sacks, put pressure etc. Our run D has been good until tonight, but our pass D while statistically good hasn't passed the eye ball test.

Special Teams- You are fired.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AJ's picture

well said...they had the momentum from kickoff

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

BuckeyeChief's picture

Not sure where we go from here or where we end up.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AJ's picture

i dunno...maybe the couch with another beer?...still kinda early to go to bed i think...but ya i think ill end up in bed...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

BuckeyeChief's picture

+1... I'm on a bit of a diet...could really go for fried chicken right now. Or a Carne Asada burrito from Adalberto's in San Diego.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

AJ's picture

stationed in cali?....rough man...almost as rough as being stationed in washington

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

buckeyedude's picture

I don't like to complain about the officiating, because we got beat, fair and square, but I saw a lot of grabbing of the OSU jerseys by the Wisconsin O-line throughout the game. How many holding calls were they penalized for?  I can only remember one being called, but I was 1/2 drunk and am 46 years old, so I don't remember shit.

 

 

AJ's picture

what made us lose?...what?...we lost because they outplayed us...they ran 4 plays and we didnt adjust...the screen killed us...we couldnt stop them from running for 6 or more yards on 1st down and the Dline is suppose to be the rock of the D...we need to find our drawing board...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

haha a spoiled fan?  right...well with that said...a great team with a great gameplan would have won this game....

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

but apperently they can earn it with one right?...and what about our gameplan was great?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

you are blowing my mind right now...one play isnt a gameplan and not being able to contain anyone on a kickoff is not the sign of a great team...we have great players and we are one of the best programs ever...but why is it so hard for you to say we are not a top team this year?  The greatness of teams of the past doesnt hold water with the team that took the field tonight...they need to earn it...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

Every great teams have problems. Great teams work those problems out to some extent by the time conference play starts up. This team has not shown the ability to do that, i.e. Gilreath housing it on a kickoff return today.

AJ's picture

excately...wait so you are agreeing with me?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

well of course youre not...its a sin to point out flaws in this team...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

excately...if you want to be great you need to play great and find and fix the flaws...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Another Jason's picture

Even great teams have flaws.  Oregon is probably the new #1.  Their defense isn't even in the top 40.  Boise?  TCU?  Are those teams great?  Is Oklahoma great?  Michigan State?  Auburn or LSU? Are Oklahoma State, Missouri, or Utah great?

Denny's picture

Narrow response column.

Taquitos.

AJ's picture

well im not sure i have to considering they will be releasing the BCS standings tomorrow...and trust me...i watched the game im well aware they scored more than one touchdown...almost certain because they had more points than us they won...and if you are ok with a 25% kickoff for touchdowns than ya you are right, this is a top 10 team and everyone else is being dramatic as well...no one is jumping ship here or calling for heads...but there is nothing wrong with saying that this team isnt where it should be...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

luckly i have been saying im not sold on this team being able to win from behind...im not sold on TP being a drop back passer...either way in the end im just a dude in the army and a life long buckeye fan...not part of the staff and i have no meaning postion in the school...based on that my credibility is compareable to yours...which is nil...but listen to me when i say the lost hurts but in no way is my sky falling...the difference between me and you is i think the only way to fix a problem is to acknowledge there is...and lady there is a problem

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

I don't understand your rant. You seem like you're aiming that at someone who is dissatisfied with Coach Tressel and his staff. I'm not, but he's not going to have GREAT teams every year. GOOD teams? Yes, but not always great.

JakeBuckeye's picture

NO ONE IS SAYING THAT THE PROGRAM ISN'T GREAT. This team is the one that isn't great, not the program.

 

Good God.

poguemahone's picture

MY BOX IS THINNER THAN YOUR BOX

AJ's picture

thank you jake!

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

are you kidding me?!!?!? thats what you are taking from what i am saying?...i have stated several times i like Jimmy T...you take his good with his bad...what im saying is that we cant expect to win the big games with the gameplan and special teams tonight...this was suppose to be one of the most talented teams under Tress...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

how is he a pocket passer throwing the rock against an indiana defense?...TP wont play QB in the NFL...my reaction isnt knee jerk...im not sold on being able to win from behind because the record shows we cant win from behind...its nothing to be ashamed of...its just how this team is built...take it or leave it...but no seriously continue with your oh so insightful views...clearly we arent gonna agree...and after its all said it done we lost tonight...and something in the gameplan needs to change...hard to argue with that fact

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

You need to see a doctor. Because I say we lack greatness as a team this year I'm "doom and gloom"? We're a good team, and depending on how Sparty ends up we will be in the Big Ten race to the end. But to say this team, a team that had proven pretty much nothing up to tonight and then got thumped by Wisky, is a great team is ridiculous at this point.

Logic fails you.

AJ's picture

i was trying not to be rude jake but i think i like your approach

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

are you kidding?...i was in iraq last season but trust me they were the same as these ones...BETTER GAMEPLAN!!!! i was not sold on pryor being a pocket passer...work a gameplan around his strengths!...im not in a gloom in doom place...so you contiune to live in candyland...would love to see your comments from the florida game...only one loss right?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

buckeyedude's picture

I think Bama fell to #8 after losing to SC, didn't they? Ohio State is still easily a top ten team, and if the voters don't think so, F-'em, because we will be by the end of the season.

I can't stand the fans that are ready to call for a mutiny and jump ship, after a loss. Suck it up man!

 

 

AJ's picture

no one is jumping ship?  Clearly thats why we are so upset, because we hate to lose.  You play this game to win, not to lose and say "oh well we drop one thats ok."  Pryor wants to play as a QB in the NFL thats why he decided to play at tOSU.  He still has a long way to go if he wants to get there.  Stop reading in to that, im not saying to bench him or that he doesnt deserve to be the stater.  Only that he needs to improve, and stop saying im on a bandwagon i was never sold on pryor being more dangerous with his arm than his legs.  BTW you dont go into every game with the same gameplan.  You have to play different teams a certain way and we just werent ready for this one.  Just seemed like we couldnt match there intensity. If you want proof on paper look on paper...im not gonna die around for stats to prove you wrong. You either agree with me or dont.  Pretty simple

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

BuckeyeChief's picture

Shout out to all you guys at the Susan G. Komen today in VA Beach, there where a shit ton of fellow Buckeye fans out there!

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Colin's picture

where do you guys think we will drop from here...9th? 10th? this loss wasn't any worse than alabama's so I don't think we should be placed any lower.

AJ's picture

but we probably will

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Colin's picture

that would be lame, but also the odds predicted a closer game so we had a greater chance of losing compared to that game last week

Colin's picture

that would be lame, but also the odds predicted a closer game so we had a greater chance of losing compared to that game last week

BuckeyeChief's picture

Was Bama down 21-0? I don't recall, but they have a better national rep, so I think we will fall to 11 or so.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Frankly, if we aint #1 it really doesn't matter.  just win the next one.

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

BuckeyeChief's picture

"If you ain't first you're last"  Unless you just won your bowl game.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

iball's picture

I do appreciate the level of consistency that Tressel has helped OSU achieve in football. At least we don't have a 4 loss season every other year.

“There’s one thing I have learned through all my adventures and conquests - it’s that some people are just wired for success. I had no choice when it came to being great - I just am great.” – Kenny Powers

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Bottom line.

Jim Tressel is who he is.  The whole package.  Consistent?  Conservative?  Maddingly so.  But he is who he is.  So either accept it and understand what we have. (I do and as a 33 year season ticket holder I'm dman appreciative) Or fire him and then get down on your knees and pray that the next coach has a good a record. 

Do you realize how l=ucky we are at tOSU?  since 1951 EVERY COACH here has been a hall of famer.  Some were run out of town.  Some retired.  But all were hall of fame coaches.  How many programs can say that?

Oklahoma?  Nope.  Michigan?  Nope.  Alabama?  Nope.  Texas?  Nope.  Penn State and us.  Thats it.  Some of you need to lose your unrealistic expectations before you slay the golden goose.

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poguemahone's picture

... most were run out of town

 

Blake's picture

Thank you for your perspective, it is appreciated. Like everyone else, I'm major pissed about the loss, but not totally shocked. My biggest gripe is that I'm not sure OSU will get a loaded roster like this in a while. Stud QB, senior-laden, very highly ranked. It's hard enough to win national titles, you just point to years like these when you've got the combination of experience and talent to finally put it all together. Next year is TP's last, and we'll be filling a ton of holes. I'm starting to wonder if maybe we will finally get over that national title hump in a year that maybe we don't expect. Like 2002, or even that we had the chance to play for it in a "rebuilding" 2007 season...

buckeyedude's picture

Todd! Common man! What about Ohio State's offense this year has been "conservative?!" Are we watching the same team? Because I'm seeing TP in the shotgun 90% of the time on first down.

 

 

BuckeyeChief's picture

WHERE DO YOU ALL THINK WE GO FROM HERE?
Thoughts?

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

Columbus next week to watch the Buckeyes play Purdue.  Where else?

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BuckeyeChief's picture

HAHAHA I am starving and in a room full of comedians. I guess the NCAA 2011 simulator that had us beating Bama was for the Cap One Bowl not the MNC!

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I wasn't joking.  I'll be in 14C row 5 next week like every home game cheering on the boys and TBDBITL.  It doesnt get any better than that. 

On the wall guarding the North Coast from all Weasel invasions.

741's picture

Regroup, win the rest of our conference games, and maybe luck out and get to the Rose again... Possibility exists that a Capital One Bowl against an SEC team is in our future... The Rose would be awesome, Capital One would be a pretty big disappointment for everyone.

We got beat by a good team tonight.

Last week Alabama got beat by what appeared to be a very good team, but today that team got beat by a not so good team...

It's still a golden age of Ohio State Football people. Lots of schools are never ranked #1 and don't play in national championship games... We've played in three and won one of them recently for chrissakes!

RoweTrain's picture

Seriously guys, WE LOST.  Cry me a river, build a bridge and get the fuck over it.  None of us were part of that game besides rooting our fucking asses off but apparently no one realizes that.  We (they) got beat and now we (they) have to figure out where to go from here.  Just win.

lonedogger's picture

Joe (at 10:06PM) is right on.  For the last decade we haven't taught our lineman how to block!  (pretty amazing when you think about that being a key responsibility)  We have survived on pure talent and a weak big ten.  These kids have come from all over the country as stud blue chips and don't get any better at blocking the guy in front of them.  We were exposed tonight.  Also exposed, TP's embarrassing mechanics.  If this kid was six foot and 180, he would be playing second string at Minnesota.  Thinking back to my HS days, I  remember this kid in gym class that threw a ball like TP.  I saw him a few years back at Wendy's, he was on the frosty's....pretty mean frosty actually...but no Heisman's to my knowledge.  

I don't know enough about special teams b/c I'm not a football coach and don't spend my time studying something we have dominated for the last 95 games.  That said, what is happening at practice?  I'm just confused about this phenomenon.  

groundhog day, please. 

lonedogger's picture

sorry, please assume we is (they).  I didn't realize we were literal.  

Keith's picture

If we can get out of these season with 2 losses and a bowl win, I'll be pleased.

There just seems to be pieces missing to the puzzle.   Losing CJ was really a big loss.   Moeller, too.  TP being less than 100% is felt as well.

Our defensive line is good but not great - not as good as last year and two notches below 2002, 2005.

We have average speed at WR.  Good route runners, average speed.  Where we do have speed, we have youth (Philly Brown).   

OL is inconsisent on the edges.

Coverage units are horrific and punting is poor.

I'm making it sound like we are terrible but these problems are small when taken one by one.  But collectively, they amount to a deficiencies that opposing teams can gameplan against.  

Right now, I'll take a wins everywhere but Iowa, including the bowl.  

Blake's picture

I agree with most of this. I think after this loss, the Iowa win is a definite must-win. We lose that game and we might be staring down the barrel of a capital one bowl. Obviously....if Michigan State runs the table who knows if they'll make the title game or the rose bowl. Either way, Rose Bowl or at-large is what I'm hoping for at this point. I think it's obtainable.

Todd-Not Boeckmann's picture

I still see no reason why tOSU can't go 11-1.  IF WE CAN COVER A FUCKING KICKOFF

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lonedogger's picture

I think you just described Indiana.  I agree about Moeller, that is a huge blow to the D.  

Gotta go watch New Mexico St now, see if I can find a few O-linemen to scout and convince to sit a year...those guys are coming around.  We could use the help. 

Poe McKnoe's picture

How terrible is OJ?

buckeyejonross's picture

this is absolutely worse than purdue. purdue was a wake-up call, this was a memo to the team that we dont really have "it" this year. ohhh if we could trade d-lines with '09. and have kurt coleman. can't win 'em all i guess.

"You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war. War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." -William T., Battle of Atlanta, B1G.

Keith's picture

Yep, Coleman was a hoss.  CJ was going to be great this year after seeing the kind of start he had.   OJ just isn't good right now.

KCAlum's picture

Purdue was a comedy of errors. This was just flat out getting beat.  That's why it sucks more

flipbuckeye's picture

I am not in the right state of mind to be making any opinion on this game but...

Man, did our shitty offensive playcalling pick a good time to rear its ugly head...

Pryor, let's face it, for the rest of his college career will more often than not piss his pants and make AWFUL decisions in big games, though he was the shining light in our offense.  Our OL was extremely porous, credit the Wisconsin D, but man that was pathetic....

Special teams, though they weren't technically the difference in the game, finally came back to haunt us...

And seriously, what happened to our defense?

The worst part is that the haters will say I told you so.  I want to say I feel we are better than what we showed tonight but I'd be lying through my teeth.  I really have no words.  There is no logical explanation I can come up with for this loss.  For the most part, this was a rematch of last year, depth chart wise, yet we couldn't stop them like we did last year.  Minnesota, YES, THAT MINNESOTA, managed to score more against the Badgers than we did.  Actually, the worst part is Bielema getting his win over us.  Fuck him and his buzz cut.

EDIT: OK I'm done ranting... credit to Wisconsin.  They were ALL OVER us on defense, and their defense was a problem on pretty much every play.  But still, fuck Bret Bielema.

JakeBuckeye's picture

Pryor seems real affected by this loss. Here's what his twitter says after the loss: "yessir!" 7 minutes ago in response to Davonte Shannon's tweet to Pryor which said "@TPeezy2..lets get this money today"

EFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF.

AJ's picture

is that a joke?

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

im gonna assume that someone broke into his twitter account...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

He'll put on a show to the media about how bas this loss feels and how upset he is, but quite honestly I don't think he cares anymore.

buckeyejonross's picture

wow.

"You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war. War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." -William T., Battle of Atlanta, B1G.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Don't know where ya'll read that, but it isn't on there now...

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

RedQueenRace's picture

So, anyone excited about the upcoming hoops season?

matti's picture

few things..

any scholarship for a kicker on campus male or female who can reach the endzone on a fricken kickoff that was like a standing 8 count buckeyes woke up they were down 21-0.

a special teams coordinator is a must in the off season.

remember when the buckeyes used to fire off the ball aka 2002 running game not overthink and try crappy zone blocking all the time saw a little bit of that in the game

i know the season isn't over by along shot and am now rooting for total anarchy. gonna be hard to make it to rose bowl this year with all the zero to one loss teams left and with the we havent been there in a while clause

when we share this thing i dont want to play va tech or whoever in the orange ...

dan herron proved he wanted to actually play today...

john clay is fat !!!!!!

buckeyejonross's picture

what are the odds we make it to the title game anyway this year?

 

i mean really, honestly. if us, oregon, bama, lsu, auburn, nebraska, oklahoma, sparty etc. all have one loss who goes and plays bosie (this is just another example that bsu is a joke, but whatevs)? it's not that far fetched to see that as a distinct possiblilty. not that we would win the game but i can totally see us being in it at least.

/shudders at kick coverage

"You might as well appeal against a thunderstorm as against these terrible hardships of war. War is cruelty, there is no use trying to reform it; the crueler it is, the sooner it will be over." -William T., Battle of Atlanta, B1G.

matti's picture

when you look at it i honestly said this to my friends while watching the game " i do not want boise vs tcu for the national championship"

Another Jason's picture

I made a similar comment.

flipbuckeye's picture

Kneejerk, whatever... good god this team is bad.  What were we thinking?  The holes in defense and special teams... the lack of a true test for the offense... at least we fall now rather than in the NCG.

Poe McKnoe's picture

lets throw offensive execution in there while we are at it.

matti's picture

also in lookingat next week schedule for big ten u have to root for children of the corn vs wisky which probably will happen see them still drunk in celebrating beating tOSU and root wait for it the nerds to beat sparty. etc. etc.

741's picture

Most of all I hate it when the doubters are right.

AJ's picture

yes...they did actually...just like we are...they questioned the gameplan and the execution etc...theres nothing wrong in doing that

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

AJ's picture

no not even close...it is possible to have a conversation with other teams fans...but you are living in a world all by yourself

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

JakeBuckeye's picture

No one is saying this team is awful. Once again, GOOD GOD.

flipbuckeye's picture

It wasn't just ONE game.  It was THE one relevant game of the season, at least up to this point.  This was the game that would help us gauge the rest of the season.  I think at this point we know the Miami team we faced really wasn't as good as we thought or hoped, and neither was Illinois.  This was the game would let us know how good we really were, and well, it did just that.

matti's picture

yah they lost and it sucks ass but they will get revenge against purdont next week and we will see how the rest of the season plays out. 

tampa buckeye's picture

Kickoff for a td.

 

4-3 d wasn't good enough.  Where was Hankins?

for that matter where was Heyward?  Where was a holding call? Where was the blitz? etc.

Bottom line is the kick return for a TD killed us.  We needed to be no huddle in the 3rd quarter and wasted alot of the clock.  

We are better then this.  Playoffs?!  Playoffs?!  I just hope we win another god damn game!

tampa buckeye's picture

BBall will win the title. that is all. fuck my life. barffffff

JakeBuckeye's picture

I'll follow suit after this Oregon State game. As tough a loss as today was, I'll still be behind this team through whatever. I hope anger is taken out on Purdue next week, who we happen to owe a few "favors" to.

Bucksfan's picture

This is the end of the BCS hopes for Ohio State...that includes the conference title and the Rose Bowl.  MSU already has a tie-breaker with Wisconsin should they lose a game, Wisconsin has a tie-breaker with us now, in case we both win out.  So, this was not the game you wanted to lose if you had a choice.

Sucks, but that's the situation.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

1. Wisconsin loses next week at Iowa.
2. MSU loses at Iowa.
3. We win out. At large bid.

Calm down.

mcrbuckeye's picture

An even better possibility is that if we end up tied with Michigan State for 1st, the team with the higher BCS ranking would go to the Rose Bowl.  Since Michigan State's loss would occur later in the year, it's likely that we would be ranked higher in the BCS at the end of the year.  Just sayin...but the key is to regain momentum over the next three games and we'll see what happens in Iowa.

nickma71's picture

I watched MSU dismantle Wisconsin for 4 quarters like OSU did for oh, 1 1/2 quarters. And I am telling you, they blew their wad for this one game. I can't see them having a chance if Iowa actualy shows up.

tampa buckeye's picture

iowa will run it down our throat.  That was a joke.  Zero toughness on the dline.  We should have been no huddle 3rd quarter and in the end that returned kicked buried us. FUCK.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

And we were supposed to lose another game or two after Purdue Harbor. It's always the shit on the blogs after a loss. Just see how it all plays out. Wisconsin and MSU aren't juggernauts, and we know that this team is NOT that bad.

nickma71's picture

Wisconsin blew their wad. Bret has had this game circled for 2 years. This game went down almost just like Alabama and South Carolina, who came up high and dry when it mattered against Kentucky. I was actually suprsied at the offensive line performance. And suprsied that Pryor just stood there many times with no open recievers. This was the best they were for the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th quarter. And the boneheads on ESPN are getting out of hand. Complaining about "so called experts in Vegas" over Michigan-Michigan State, this game and others. Well, Einstein, the spread is not a prediction of outcome. I was suprised that the defensive line was ineffective for as much as they were. Those horses are always tough to deal with, but not the whole game against stand outs like Heward, Simon, Williams and  even Big Hank. Worse units have done better. Eh, it is hard to go undefeated. Just ask 3 loss Florida.

tomcollins's picture

3 loss Florida plays in the SEC.  The Big 10 blows.  That's what has kept us propped up and isolated us from this kind of stuff more often.

tomcollins's picture

I have to start with the positive first.

Big props out to Herron and Sanzenbacher.  Herron played with real heart last night and tried to put the team on his back.  Sanzo, oh my, anyone who watched the game knows what he did.  He took terrible Pryor throws and turned them into big gains.  The guy is an animal.

But like most games, it comes down to the trenches.  Wisconsin absolutely owned us, just like Florida, USC, and LSU did. Bollman has no clue how to coach the offensive line while the defensive line was just physically manhandled.

Until Bollman and Heacock are gone, we will not win another national championship.  Plain and simple.  And due to Tressel's loyalty to these guys who the rest of the world,Then there's special teams.  How this happened on a Tressel team amazes me.  This has to be the worst Ohio State special teams units that I've seen.

Then there's the in game decisions.  Tressel was just awful.  I thought he learned and opened things up a bit.  But it was the same predictable stuff that lost us games against teams we should have beaten in the past. Playing for a field goal when down 21.  Not even bothering to score before halftime.  And then punting with 5 minutes to go down 10.  You have to give your team a chance to win.

Lastly, once Pryor gets rattled, he's done.  The guy has no mental toughness at all.  If he's having a good day, he is as good as anyone.  But once something goes wrong, his accuracy goes to hell and his decision making is terrible.

I've reduced my future goals for the team to beating Michigan, winning a Big 10 title, and winning a bowl game.  Hopelessly thinking that this staff is capable of winning a championship against the Sabans and Meyers of the coaching world who understand the game at such a level beyond our pitiful coaching staff is just setting up for major disappointment.  Let's crush Michigan again and be done with the season.

Kurt's picture

I agree with the coordinators.  Fickell needs to be made DC.  But the offense is still largely Tressel's, so even if Bollman were gone, I think we'd be in about the same position.  We need Tress to bring in a new OC with fresh ideas and also give that person play-calling rights...

Last week people on here were making fun of Rich Rod for punting late in the 4th down by double digits...I was also flabergasted when Tressel made that call.

buckeyedude's picture

The OSU offensive line was owned, but more surprisingly, so was the OSU defensive line. Too bad OHIO STATE can't have a whole team of Dane Sanzenbachers, and that play with his kind of heart.

I didn't quit on the Bucks, but kind of knew the game was lost at the opening kickoff return for 6 points.

 

 

Poe McKnoe's picture

Too bad OHIO STATE can't have a whole team of Dane Sanzenbachers, and that play with his kind of heart.

This.

Buckeye in Athens's picture

Agreed. I nominate Dane for 11W Official Favorite Current Buckeye. 

AJ's picture

if only buckeyedude...if only...

"Without winners, there wouldn't even be civilization." -----------Woody Hayes

Buckeye Black's picture

It was just bad. The offensive and defensive tackles didn't show up, WRs dropped balls, Pryor was shaky, and Homan being out hurt.

EJ's picture

I guess I'm confused.  What do you expect, undefeated and a national championship every year?  It's really hard to go undefeated only a couple teams do it every year.   You shouldn't act like the sky is falling if your team gets 1 or 2 losses a year- that is a fairweather fan.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

+1. We have three cupcakes coming up to right the ship. Then, like last season at PSU, we have a chance to assert ourselves at Iowa. Wisconsin will be knocked out of the Big Ten race next week.

tomcollins's picture

What if you noticed these flaws when we beat up on the cupcakes?  Are you fairweathered then?  Yes, it's hard to run the table.  Yes, I conceded we were <50% to run the table going into this week.  However, I do not expect us to get outplayed, outscehemed, and outcoached by Bilema with a very mediocre Wisconsin team. There are glaring problems that have existed since 2006, and they still exist every year.  We can coast through it with 1 or 2 losses each year due to the horribly weak Big 10 without being exposed.  But once it comes time to play against the big boys (besides Oregon last year), it's time to get exposed. Going undefeated with a great team is hard, but usually its due to a series of bad luck or just lolrunbad.  Not by being completely worked by a team like Wisconsin.  If Wisconsin were a top 10 team, I could buy it, but they aren't.  They are a 2nd tier Big Ten team.

Fairweathered has nothing to do with sky is falling.  Fairweathered has to do with not following/not caring about the team when they are down (see Cincinnati).

I'm much more concerned about HOW they lost, not THAT they lost.  Special Teams has been an obvious problem every week.  And it bit us in the ass again.  Getting owned in the trenches has been a problem since 2007.  Surprise, it costs us another game.  We had lack of penetration against inferior teams all season, even with our big wins.  No surprise they get exposed against a good line in Wisconsin.

This season is gone.  We need to shape up, or even Michigan could give us a run.  A conservative Tressel gameplan with this type of effort would give us a loss against scUM far more often than it ever should given our talent.  But if you want to lower expectations to the Capital One Bowl with a team filled with more talent than just about every other team out there, go for it.  I won't be one of them.  I can accept a loss.  I can't accept being completely outplayed by a non top tier team.  I can't accept it constantly happening year after year.  We only have a handful of games against real opponents, and how many have we actually won in the last 5 years?  Oregon?  Every other "good" team we beat has been exposed as a dud.

buckeyedude's picture

"The season is gone." WTF?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Perspective. Perspective.

Yes Tom, if you believe that, and it is right there in black and white, and you typed it dude, then you my friend, are the epitomy of a "fair-weathered/bandwagon fan." Take a hike and go watch the Browns.

You are probably the same fan that leaves at halftime when OSU is up on Eastern Michigan by 35 points.

 

 

tomcollins's picture

Goals for the Season:

1) National Championship

2) Big Ten Championship

3) Beat Michigan

1 was a stretch, and I obviously knew that.  2 should be expectations, and that is now hurt tremendously.  3 is now really my only goal.  Beating up on a likely 6-6 Michigan team.  Dream Big.

Maybe switch 2 and 3, but whatever.  Our best hope is some longshot at sharing the title with Sparty or completely luckboxing for it.  So yeah, there is some outside shot, but only by other teams falling flat on their face and handing it to us. Not something I'd be that proud of. 

And no, I was at a wedding for the EMU game, recorded it, knew the result, and watched every play immediately when I got home.

It's frustrating as hell watching the same things happen over and over again and nothing changing.  I'll still follow the team and root for them, but it's just another kick in the nuts that shouldn't have happened.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

Yes, we do need help and have to think about scenarios. But, how is Wisconsin losing completely out of the realm of possibility? Is MSU so much of a juggernaut that Iowa is no match for them? Come on. By the Iowa game, a BCS bid will be on the line. Not the Cap One Bowl.

O-H Kee Pa's picture

(meant for Tom Collins, not you Buckeye Dude) Not even going to gratify this shit with a response. I'm trying to keep my perspective. If I had said "FIRE TRESSEL!", would that have worked better for you?

tomcollins's picture

Tressel is fine.  He has his problems, but it's worth putting up with them for all the good he does.  However, the assistants need shaking up and have needed shaking up for quite some time.  I wish he would have someone else call the plays, though.  I also wish he would actually adapt and learn from his mistakes.  Things have gotten too comfortable in Columbus.

Kurt's picture

AMEN TOM! Goddamn... outside of beating oregon we haven't done shit in what, 4 years? I thought after each and every loss - especially last year's to USC - that Tress would take some accountability and make adjustments. He has not. I can't even begin to list the meniacal ego driven coaches out there today that have enough sense to have someone else calling the plays. But he won't let go, it's as if he prefers to lose his way than win in someone else's.

bcWEcouldn&#039;tGOfor3's picture

Best case scenario...

1.) Wisky loses to Iowa next week

2.) MSU loses to Iowa and at Penn State to give JoePa 400

3.) OSU beats Iowa and runs the table

= Shared Big Ten Championship with Iowa, a birth to the Rose Bowl and a complete dismantling of Boise State.

tomcollins's picture

If you think Boise will be easier than Wisconsin, not sure what I can tell you.  The last thing we need is to play a team where we get no respect if we win, and tons of shame if we lose.  Capital One Bowl and win a close game against an overrated SEC team to end the streak is the best thing we could accomplish for the program.

Orlando Buckeye's picture

I would selfishly love to see us whip an overrated SEC team in my backyard.  But for everyone's sake I'll hope for another Rosebowl win.

Jdadams01's picture

Frankly, in my mind this game came down to two things...

First, injuries finally caught up with us. CJ, Moeller, and Homan all out of the game. Chekwa and Torrence nicked up. Pryor couldn't run full out and an looked tentative. Shugarts and Adams are both playing hurt. Eventually, even deep teams can't just keep plugging new people in. A lot of talented but inexperienced guys had to play a physical, tough game at night, on the road, in a crazy place to play. OJ especially to me seemed ineffective. Sure he had like eight stops, but I remember a number of missed tackles and he also plays with no authority.

Second, football is a game of momentum. That return to start the game was basically a back breaker. In 12 seconds, Wisconsin had all the momentum and confidence they needed. When you lose that much momentum in a crazy road environment it's mighty hard to get it back. From that point on it seemed like all the little things always went Wisconsin's way. Momentum is like that. Makes everything seem to go your way. Makes the team without it press too hard and doubt.

TLB's picture

The sun came up this morning.

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

1st down and ten from the 5..what do you do? 2 designed runs for Pryor and a direct snap to Boom..kick the field goal...duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhh

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

BuckeyeChief's picture

You know, re-reading some of the comments here, and I have a question...

To all you who keep throwing the "What do you want, a National Championship every year" question out there, here's this:

We have 2 since 1968 (68, 02). So should we be happy? Settle for mediocrity? I know we have competed for some others, 98, 06, 07 come to mind, but don't act like we are Florida (in it for the last 5 years or so give or take) or the God damned Yankees...1 every 40 years or so sucks.

Woke up at 7AM still pissed. The ONLY positive is that we still half a season to play. Anything can still happen.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

CDbucks's picture

"OF COURSE WE SHOULD BE CONTENT. TRESSEL RESCUED US FROM THE DEPTHS OF COOPER. TEN WINS IS AWESOME. I EXPECT NO MORE. IF WE FIRE HIM WE'LL HIRE THE NEXT RICH ROD"

 

yeah, this attitude. 

Whatever, if the people want mediocrity, by god give it to 'em. 

Ultrabuckeyehomer's picture

This season is not a failure.  We can win 12 games and finish with a nice bowl victory.

However, this sucks because this is not a great season for lots of teams, and the championship was easier to achieve this year than it has been in a while - no need to go through a great Florida or Bama or USC team.  In short, this hurts because even with all of our flaws, I thought the championship was more obtainable this year than it has been in a long, long time.

We are a good, not great team. But, we can have a very, very good year still.  It will hurt for a while, but lets go get a bunch of wins the rest of the way.

 

Go Bucks. 

tomcollins's picture

+1.

Hopefully we can pull off the win at Iowa.  Unfortunately I think we need them to lose it.

BuckeyeChief's picture

Agreed. This is why I am for a playoff system.

 

"Clutch has no boundaries"

Buckeye_Mafia's picture

This whole National title or bust mentality is rediculous. And anyone that thought we'd go undefeated is dilussional. We played poorly for most of the game and Wisconsin played exceptional for most. There are no teams that are built to come back from a 21 point deficit. As for the loss. There were issues both from a coaching standpoint and a player/execution standpoint. All we can ask from both the coaches and players is learn from this and move forward. Win out and another Rose Bowl appearance may be in our future. As for the Pryor comments on Twiiter, he is still a young man and will hopefully realize that wasn't the best thing to air over a social networking site. But it is what it is. Calling for heads is silly. Can you name the last season we didn't win 10 games? I don't see this season being any different.

Adolphus Washington is half grizzly bear and half dragon | Noah Spence kills quarterbacks, just to watch them die.

tomcollins's picture

10 wins in a weak big ten is an accomplishment?

poguemahone's picture

No, it's a complete and total failure. We should probably close down the football program and cancel the conference altogether. All hope is lost.

CDbucks's picture

 

"There are too many people who can too easily identify with defeat."

 

But what do I know? 

Oh, that quote? Some old Big Ten coach. Name rhymes with Hoody.

poguemahone's picture

Yep, some people here certainly sound defeatist today. I'm sure ol' Woody would love seeing them give up on their team at the first sign of adversity, just like Penn State fans.

JakeBuckeye's picture

I love this team. I'm almost positive that guys like Tom root against Ohio State every week in order to prove themselves correct. I will be rooting for Iowa in every game up to the point in which they play us. If Iowa can win all of their games up to November 20th, and Ohio State can manage to do the same, then all Ohio State needs to do is beat Iowa and Michigan and we're headed to the Rose Bowl.

I have a strong feeling Michigan State will struggle in their first true road test on October 30th against Iowa.

cal3713's picture

If we are going to realistically expect this team to go undefeated every year, it's time to move to the WAC of MWC. 

This is what being a fan of a major program in a major conference is.  Expecting to win every week, but experiencing the disappointment of failure once or twice a year.  We are in competition for the NC every year, and that's more than 95% of the schools out there experience.  The fans at Texas, USC, Alabama, Florida, and Oklahoma are all in the same boat.  At least we're not losing at home to Miss State, UCLA, or Washington right now.

The beauty of being an Ohio State fan is that the possibility exists every year.  Enjoy the process people, it'll be this way for the rest of your life.

tomcollins's picture

No one is "expecting" to go undefeated (at least no one reasonable).  I put the odds of it happening this season with a lot of things in our favor at 20%.  It's tough to win week in and week out.  However, the effort yesterday was pathetic.  There are things that should not be happening that do, and they don't get better.  Relying on college kickers to make 45-yarders, or receivers to catch passes at their feet is not something we should view as promising.

The Big Ten is barely a major conference.  Comparing it to the SEC or Pac-10 or Big-12 (which actually have more than 4 respectable teams, and more than 1 potential title contenders) is silly.  We are barely a step up from the MWC and WAC.  Look at the years we made the championship game.  The Big Ten might as well have been the MWC.  We get to an undeserving game playing untested, then get humiliated.  Fortunately we scheduled USC for two years and let them expose us to prevent further embarrassment.  Miami turned out to be a dud.

EJ's picture

debby downer. 

cal3713's picture

Ohh, and I don't get the bitching about Tressel.  If Barclay doesn't miss that second quarter field goal we're tied with Wisconsin deep in the 4th quarter.  That is totally acceptable for this quality of oppenent. 

He always puts the team in a position to win.  They just need to not drop passes, blow lane assignments, and miss field goals.  Lots of poor execution out there last night, the team was nervous.

yankeerose5150's picture

is it me or did chimdi chekwa go out of his way last night to prove that he belongs on a high school secondary rather then anything close to a big ten one? nick toon only had like 70 yards but had a key reception on 3rd right after the Buckeyes came within 3, idk, but i found myself screaming his name in anger to many times. I really think ohio state wins out and plays in the rose bowl, itll take some help, but itll happen, it always seems to work out. the defense was nothing like i thought it would ever be this year, d line got handeled, secondary sucked, lbs wernt great, couldent get a stop when they needed, im ready to kick some boiler ass, and hawkeye ass when the time comes, i really think the team will wake up

JakeBuckeye's picture

Oh, and was anybody else encouraged to see Philly Brown out there on almost all of the three or more wide reciever sets it seemed? That was nice, and I think Jordan Hall's version of the wildcat should be used a lot down the stretch. Boom scored on that formation, but otherwise he was ineffective from there. Hall is a threat to throw from that position, and I think it would only take running him from that spot three or four times before the defense is lulled in and he then could throw a fade to Pryor in the endzone.

Eric Sammie Byrne's picture

Let me say this first, i was surprised on how poorly the D-line played against the run.  I thought they would do better.  I also thought OSU could outscore Wisconsin.  Wrong on both counts.

The special teams TD is what it is, one bad play in the game.  If they can't overcome a 7 point deficient then this team has far bigger problems than anybody realizes.

I wasn't surprised on how poorly the D played in general.  I've been one of the few realist on this website who's been concerned with how Heacock's defense has played.  I've said from week 1 Heacock's 'best ever D-Line' was overrated, and i was belittled, called a moron, had my football knowledge questioned and called a troll.  Most OSU fans are oblivious to the obvious, Heacock's a crappy Defense coach.  His teams can beat up on inferior teams, but against better compatition he gets out coached game in and game out.

I wasn't surprised on how poorly the O-Line played.  Since 2003, Bollmans O-lines have been terribly inconsistent and in general poorly coached.  People want to blame the RB's, the QB's and the O-lineman in general.  But the fact is Bollman is the one consistent in this era of crappy O-line play.  Speilman has described it correctly multiple times, O-line plays like they are in a pillow fight and not a football game.

Year in and year out, Tressel's teams loses games for the same reasons.  Poor O-Lines and poors Defenses.  Tressel's a great guy and extremely loyal, but enoughs enough.  Changes are long over due in those 2 areas.  And until changes are made, his teams will never have a legitimate shot to win a National Championship.  Good enough to compete for the Big Ten though.  So the question for OSU fans is, is competing for a Big Ten title good enough?

"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" - Albert Einstein

Buckeyebrowny919's picture

yes b/c that also means a BCS berth...problem though is that it is not completely in our hands...we have to win out..but things have to happen

To give anything less than your best, is to sacrifice the gift - Steve Prefontaine

CDbucks's picture

Hey, the truth's tough to hear! some people don't want to consider these pesky "facts". It makes them feel uncomfortable. You know what is comfortable? Competing for a big ten berth year in and year out. Nat'l Titles? Yeah, if they happen, great. If not, "at least we win the big ten!!!"

See attitude of poster below me. 

 

If everyone's happy with the status quo, then well we all deserve to have Tressel as our coach. Because if all we expect are big ten titles, and not national titles, then we're only gonna get big ten titles and get blown out of the water every time we're on the national stage. But after all the evidence pointing to this, some people are still hunky dory with it. So, what more is there to be said? 

Tressel's not gonna change, he's not gonna fire his people, he's not gonna let someone else come in and take credit for any positive change, and the fans aren't gonna care that we'll NEVER win another nat'l title in the Tressel era. Hey, at least we beat up on Rich Rod!!! 

tomcollins's picture

At least we can beat up on Rich Rod...

For now.

lhardeman's picture

I'm disappointed that we lost, but I'm embarrassed how we lost.  They pretty much took our manhood.  When you know they are going to run and they still has success running on you, there is a problem.  Last year we had so much depth at D-Line that we could rotate people in and out, so eventhough Wisconsin had many yards of offense they had to fight for everything they got.  This year there was no fight.  Heyward had a couple of nice plays, but he didn't play the way a first round pick should play.  Simon is suppossed to be a workout warrior, but he was pushed off the line on too many occassions.  Larimore wasn't much better and Williams provided little also.  Not one of them tied up linemen consistently to allow our linebackers to make plays and that is essential when you have undersized linebackers like we do.  Their guards were able to get to the backers all day.  On offense the line played better, but not well enough to beat a physical team on the road.  If Shugarts is hurt let someone else play because he missed way to many blocks.  Adams was inconsistent and the same goes for just about everyone else.  When this line is motivated like they were second part of last year they are excellent, but it seems like they mostly have no fire.  Pryor made too many bad decisions and Posey gave up on a couple of plays.  I don't mind if we go down swinging, but to lose in this manner sucks!  Also we should give Wisconsin some credit they are a good team and they did the things we sould've.  GO BUCKS!