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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92822</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 12:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think he was talking about Marco Cooper and not Albert Dukes.

Dukes was charged but not convicted of anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think he was talking about Marco Cooper and not Albert Dukes.</p>
<p>Dukes was charged but not convicted of anything.</p>
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		<title>By: El Caballo de Sangre</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92821</link>
		<dc:creator>El Caballo de Sangre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 11:35:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could not have been clearer that the dealer and not the drug is the &quot;gateway&quot; - this is not really in question. There is vast and definitive research on this subject. That said, I&#039;m really not sure what you&#039;re asking here.

I didn&#039;t at all discuss whether what Berry did was &quot;right&quot; - again you&#039;re going to have to be a little more specific about what you mean. What I DID say was that in the larger scheme of things, what he did is not that big a deal. Read up on state laws in this area if you want to know why it&#039;s outrageous that this kid is charged with a felony. Conceptions of &quot;right&quot; and &quot;wrong&quot; really have very little to do with the law.

It would be interesting to hear what you think the &quot;higher standard&quot; should be - without details, you&#039;ve made a pretty much meaningless statement there. So elaborate, please, since you seem to think you know what&#039;s &quot;right&quot;. And remember that you&#039;ve already said that he deserves a 2nd chance. I don&#039;t see a lot of room left for your &quot;standards&quot; - if we go by what you&#039;ve said - other than the heightened scrutiny from the program, and the media, and the blogs that Berry is already going to be subjected to if and when he arrives in Columbus.

I don&#039;t know &quot;what kind of signs are being put out by these actions&quot;, whatever that means. Do you? Who are the &quot;younger people&quot; that you suppose are looking at Jamaal Berry and drawing the lesson that being charged with a felony is an example to emulate? Or is that not what you meant to imply? AGAIN, it&#039;s hard to tell what the eff you&#039;re talking about.

Finally, and sorry to pile on, but you just make it so hard not to: &quot;these kind (sic) of actions should not be accept (sic).&quot; So, what&#039;s the remedy? You can&#039;t just say &quot;I don&#039;t accept these kind (sic) of actions&quot; and walk away, dude. It might help for you to consider the idea that the fact that people whose behavior is less than ideal from time to time are still allowed to play football at a school doesn&#039;t necessarily mean that the school ENDORSES the less-than-ideal behavior.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could not have been clearer that the dealer and not the drug is the &#8220;gateway&#8221; &#8211; this is not really in question. There is vast and definitive research on this subject. That said, I&#8217;m really not sure what you&#8217;re asking here.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t at all discuss whether what Berry did was &#8220;right&#8221; &#8211; again you&#8217;re going to have to be a little more specific about what you mean. What I DID say was that in the larger scheme of things, what he did is not that big a deal. Read up on state laws in this area if you want to know why it&#8217;s outrageous that this kid is charged with a felony. Conceptions of &#8220;right&#8221; and &#8220;wrong&#8221; really have very little to do with the law.</p>
<p>It would be interesting to hear what you think the &#8220;higher standard&#8221; should be &#8211; without details, you&#8217;ve made a pretty much meaningless statement there. So elaborate, please, since you seem to think you know what&#8217;s &#8220;right&#8221;. And remember that you&#8217;ve already said that he deserves a 2nd chance. I don&#8217;t see a lot of room left for your &#8220;standards&#8221; &#8211; if we go by what you&#8217;ve said &#8211; other than the heightened scrutiny from the program, and the media, and the blogs that Berry is already going to be subjected to if and when he arrives in Columbus.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know &#8220;what kind of signs are being put out by these actions&#8221;, whatever that means. Do you? Who are the &#8220;younger people&#8221; that you suppose are looking at Jamaal Berry and drawing the lesson that being charged with a felony is an example to emulate? Or is that not what you meant to imply? AGAIN, it&#8217;s hard to tell what the eff you&#8217;re talking about.</p>
<p>Finally, and sorry to pile on, but you just make it so hard not to: &#8220;these kind (sic) of actions should not be accept (sic).&#8221; So, what&#8217;s the remedy? You can&#8217;t just say &#8220;I don&#8217;t accept these kind (sic) of actions&#8221; and walk away, dude. It might help for you to consider the idea that the fact that people whose behavior is less than ideal from time to time are still allowed to play football at a school doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that the school ENDORSES the less-than-ideal behavior.</p>
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		<title>By: aaron</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92776</link>
		<dc:creator>aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 05:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand what you&#039;re saying mr. horse of blood, but when you stated that these pot users turn to harder drugs because they are forced to go to a dealer who sells harder drugs, is that not a gateway?  You are completely right when you say that drunk driving is way more dangerous, but that doesnt make what berry did right, does it?  They may only be 18 year old kids, but lets face it, they should be held to a higher standard.  Younger people look up to these guys and what kind of signs are being put out by these actions.  Berry is being given the chance of a life time, handed to him on a silver platter.  Im not saying he doesnt deserve a 2nd chance, but these kind of actions should not be accept, even if you think pot should be legal.  Because as of today, its not...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand what you&#8217;re saying mr. horse of blood, but when you stated that these pot users turn to harder drugs because they are forced to go to a dealer who sells harder drugs, is that not a gateway?  You are completely right when you say that drunk driving is way more dangerous, but that doesnt make what berry did right, does it?  They may only be 18 year old kids, but lets face it, they should be held to a higher standard.  Younger people look up to these guys and what kind of signs are being put out by these actions.  Berry is being given the chance of a life time, handed to him on a silver platter.  Im not saying he doesnt deserve a 2nd chance, but these kind of actions should not be accept, even if you think pot should be legal.  Because as of today, its not&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92771</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:31:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re a better Simpsons fan than I.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re a better Simpsons fan than I.</p>
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		<title>By: El Caballo de Sangre</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Caballo de Sangre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 03:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, stupid.

Louis Irizarry (Four-star TE) and Ira Guilford (Four-star S): charged with violent crimes, dismissed from the team and university.

Jonathan Skeete (K): charged with selling pot, scholarship yanked but allowed to TRY to walk on. He didn&#039;t succeed.

Albert Dukes (Four-star WR): charged with &quot;lewd and lascivious sexual battery&quot;. Played three years (on scholarship) and caught 4 passes. Transferred to Valdosta State.

So you&#039;re wrong about all of them being dismissed, and you&#039;re wrong about it being just their talent level that was considered in each case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, stupid.</p>
<p>Louis Irizarry (Four-star TE) and Ira Guilford (Four-star S): charged with violent crimes, dismissed from the team and university.</p>
<p>Jonathan Skeete (K): charged with selling pot, scholarship yanked but allowed to TRY to walk on. He didn&#8217;t succeed.</p>
<p>Albert Dukes (Four-star WR): charged with &#8220;lewd and lascivious sexual battery&#8221;. Played three years (on scholarship) and caught 4 passes. Transferred to Valdosta State.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re wrong about all of them being dismissed, and you&#8217;re wrong about it being just their talent level that was considered in each case.</p>
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		<title>By: El Caballo de Sangre</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92769</link>
		<dc:creator>El Caballo de Sangre</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 02:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No problem, Homer - though I&#039;m pretty sure the correct quote is &quot;I&#039;m intrigued by your ideas...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem, Homer &#8211; though I&#8217;m pretty sure the correct quote is &#8220;I&#8217;m intrigued by your ideas&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92747</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 01:46:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK.  So, charged with felony, guilty of misdemeanor drug charge, and a true freshman will miss his first two games in college...  Drop the hammer Tress!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK.  So, charged with felony, guilty of misdemeanor drug charge, and a true freshman will miss his first two games in college&#8230;  Drop the hammer Tress!</p>
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		<title>By: a bag of doritos</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92723</link>
		<dc:creator>a bag of doritos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:58:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>meh. 

1. dude can always go somewhere else
2. dude is a public figure bc of his association with a high profile athletic team. he is going to be held to a different standard. 

i am not even advocating pulling the scholly...just listening to all the forgiveness non-sense on some sociological reasons is ridiculous. dude screwed up and should be punished regardless of your sociology prof&#039;s protestations that drug laws hurt this or that group more than others and there are cultural biases in this or that social norm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>meh. </p>
<p>1. dude can always go somewhere else<br />
2. dude is a public figure bc of his association with a high profile athletic team. he is going to be held to a different standard. </p>
<p>i am not even advocating pulling the scholly&#8230;just listening to all the forgiveness non-sense on some sociological reasons is ridiculous. dude screwed up and should be punished regardless of your sociology prof&#8217;s protestations that drug laws hurt this or that group more than others and there are cultural biases in this or that social norm.</p>
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		<title>By: COB</title>
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		<dc:creator>COB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 23:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Charged with a felony does not equal felon, jackass.  When he pleads down as a first time offender then he will be a convicted misdemeanor offender and can sit for a game or two.  There are your standards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Charged with a felony does not equal felon, jackass.  When he pleads down as a first time offender then he will be a convicted misdemeanor offender and can sit for a game or two.  There are your standards.</p>
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		<title>By: X.V.</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2009/06/the-berry-dilemna.html#comment-92681</link>
		<dc:creator>X.V.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 20:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, if we legalize gay marriage then people will be marrying their dogs and horses a few days later. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, if we legalize gay marriage then people will be marrying their dogs and horses a few days later. The slippery slope argument is a logical fallacy.<br />
<a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/slippery-slope.html</a></p>
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