So much for a quiet off season...
Ken Gordon reported earlier tonight that Mike Adams and J.B. Shugarts were pulled over January 14th for blowing a stop sign leading to each being charged with one misdemeanor count of possession of drug paraphernalia.
Neither player was arrested and both have plead not guilty with pre-trial hearings set for Monday (Adams) and Wednesday (Shugarts).
While the charge is only a fourth degree misdemeanor carrying a max of 30 days in the hole and a $250 fine, this is the not the way these two were hoping to make the news.
No comment yet from Tressel.
UPDATE: The charges against Adams have been dropped. Both players are said to have aced on-the-spot drug tests. Awesome.
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Ohio State has yet to place in the top 5 of the Fulmer Cup. Let's hope this isn't the year we break that streak.
But hey, we have the frontrunner for the LT job and the possible starter at RT busted for keeping a bong in their car (stupid), on an offensive line that already was probably not going to be stellar to start the year. You know, like it hasn't been three years running. What are we supposed to think? I'm pissed. I'm also hoping Tressel plays this one with streetsmarts and sits them for a series or two against Navy. Urban Meyer would approve of such a punishment.
Obviously, I'm just glad it's February and not August or later. Hopefully Tress will make his point in the spring - I'm sure the extra gassers will do those two good anyway.
How stupid are these kids? I know they are just kids and drunk and smoke like other college students but come on. Your given something great don't ruin it!
Also, backing music: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
uuggghhhhh so, so stupid. block O, more like POT O, am i right fellas?!?
Maybe they were smoking tobacco. I mean that is what a bong is used for right?
No big deal, like Chris said, tressel will make them pay in spring. Kids just being dumb
Hopefully they'll learn to not ever be holding in a car. That's the stupid thing here.
I'm gonna go ahead and risk violating the no politics rule here and say:
LEGALIZE IT!
How difficult is it to follow the rules?? The shit is illegal...Just don't f'n do it. How hard is that??
wow, surprised ESPN isnt all over this, must be nothing
What a bunch of ass clowns!!!
Yea, I have no problem with the blazing, seeing as how it is a vital part of my day. But 'riding dirty' as those crazy kids call it, is dumb when you are on scholarship. Hell, its dumb for anyone. Keep it at home where they cannot do anything about it. What I really wanna know is, did the cops break the bong? That would be the real crime here...lol
Totally agree. The fact they might have enjoyed a spliff is meaningless to me but to be caught with something in public when they know it will be a big story is less than intelligent. So are they just dumb or entitled/fearless?
Kids have always been dumb, but it seems like this generation of kids might be the dumbest ever.
So you have Michael Phelps, half the NBA and now these two. Is it safe to say smokin the chron will make you a better athlete? I don't think Tress goes overboard with the punishment as this is typical behavior on every campus in America. I just wish they had some more sense and not drive around with it in their cars!
I know these particular offenses are not very big,,,but by God I am fed up with condoning this behavior, combined with Boone's arrest, Worthington's DUI, Clifford's bar fight, and Williams shoplifting, this marks the 5th and 6th Buckeyes arrested since July.
I don't care if most of them are minor offenses. I am sick and tired as a fan of having to defend this type of behavior.
Tressel and his staff have had 8 years now to try and weed this type of behavior out of the program and simply put he have failed. His track record is no better than Cooper's, or Ayers' when it comes to off the field incidents.
Yes I know other programs have similar issues, and that some are worse than us,,,simply put I don't care about other programs!!!
I have been a fan of OSU for more than 40 years and the off the field track record over the past 15-20 years is simply embarrassing for both the Basketball and football programs.
The number of arrests is disgraceful.
Besides the 6 guys in the past 6 months we can add in Terry Glenn's naked drunk running incident, TJ Downing's drug charges, Santonio Holmes drug charges, Noopy Crater's drug charges, James Scott being kicked off Ole Miss's team, Matt Sylvester wreckless operation nearly hitting a cop, Jamar Butler's drug charges, Derek Foster being convicted of shooting 2 cops, Jason Simmons conviction on sexual battery of a middle school girl, and on and on and on.
This now marks over 30 times a player has been arrested in the 8 years Tressel has been the coach.
MOC twice, Brandon Joe, AJ Trapasso twice, Ira Guilford, Irrizarry twice, Boone twice, Marco Cooper, Troy Smith, Santonio Holmes, Eric Haw, Jonathon Skeete, Lydell Ross, Albert Dukes, Nathan Williams, Worthington, Clifford, Adams, Shugarts, Brandon Maupin, Tim Schafer, Pagac Jr, Pitcock, Reggie Arden, Angelo Chattams, Steve Bellisari, Derek Ross
add in Troy's $500 handshake, Bollman's car loan ncaa violation, Downing, Wilhlem and Holmes being charged after leaving, and the list is nearly endless.
I am not even counting the Washington's, Smalls, Vance's etc, who were suspended for violating team rules,,,
30+ arrests in 8 year is disgraceful. That's 1 every 3 months!!!!
The losses are bad enough, but part of the reason I lost enthusiasm for for OSU at the end of the Cooper years was the off the field issues. With this latest spate of arrests, Tressel's staff has proven they have done nothing to repair this. If anything it may be worse.
I know the graduation rates have improved,,, so what, so the football team has finally gotten to within 20% of the general student body afer nearly a decade at the helm...sorry but not good enough.
I have had it, I am thru with rooting for criminals and prima donnas,,,,as a famous line from an old movie put it. I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore.
Let me be the 1st,,,Tressel must go!!!
I saw some statistic that 40% of adults surveyed had smoked pot in their lifetime.
Any law that makes nearly half of the population into criminals is ridiculous.
You left out Clarett.
No way you are bitching about this if we beat LSU or Florida.
With all due respect, and not to sound like I'm coming at you sir, but that is the stupidest thing I've ever seen typed on here. Dumber than the Kansas State fan debacile. Yea, good call, lets get rid of the coach that keeps us in the spotlight year after year because......why? Because young college kids make mistakes? Tressel cannot be there to hold hands and hand out milk cartons for mid-afternoon snack and naptimes. This is not kindergarten fellas. College aged kids will make mistakes. I made plenty. But to call for the best coach we've had since woody's head on a platter, for something that is not his fault, is disgraceful. Tress deserves a lifetime contract from where I sit....just my opinion tho...doesn't go very far I suppose
I think the online class "how to use the internet" Arts and Sciences 120D that I am in with Adams (and Pryor for that matter) was just so mentally taxing that he needed to veg with a good ole water pipe.
so speeding laws are ridiculous? what about seatbelt laws? There's plenty of people who speed and who don't wear seatbelts on occasion. Just cuz they admit to having done it once in their lifetime doesn't mean they do it all the time.
I'm not saying i agree with marijuana being illegal, or that i want it legalized, just pointing out the flaw in the reasoning.
Pogue, Perhaps they should just transfer to Arkansas:
http://www.co.washington.ar.us...
It couldn't be any more clear than that Jared. Let's just hope they clean it on the regular, nothing worse than a mouthful of bong water!
I say make these kids do "50 steps"(up and down the whole stadium lower deck, as being "1")."
These guys probably packed on a few pounds in the offseason anyway.
Tressel had better come down hard on these kids or he can expect it to happen again.
BTW El Caballo de Sangre, I did a term paper in college on the effects to society that legalization of marijuana would have. I interviewed the Toledo Police Chief at the time, Rep. Marcy Kaptur(D) and others, and most agreed it would eliminate drug king pins and raise money for the gubment. I also read a paper by William F. Buckley, the founder of the Conservative movement, that he supported legalization. The down side is the "message" it would send to kids like Mike and J.B., i.e., that it's OK to do. I'm not saying I support legalization, but it is a debate worth having(in other forums).
Kids at that age are just stupid. I was a scholarship athlete in the 80's. I was a dumb ass too.
Speeding and not wearing seatbelts aren't CRIMINAL acts. They're civil infractions, much more minor, and the big difference is that they don't really have any societal disapproval attached to them (not to mention that you can't go to jail for simple speeding. Reckless operation of a motor vehicle is another matter, but that's not as common as speeding): when applying for a (non-driving) job, nobody asks if you've ever gotten a speeding ticket, but they ALWAYS ask if you've been convicted of a felony, and often ask if you've been convicted of any misdemeanors.
So anyway, the point is, it's not a flaw in his reasoning: 100% of people commit these minor civil infractions, but you'd be hard pressed to find another criminal law that proscribes behavior engaged in by 40% of the populace. The size of that number also suggests that the laws are terribly out of step with public opinion: do you imagine that more than 50% of the population wants to jail everyone who's ever smoked weed? Lots of people would balk at jail, my own (admittedly completely unscientific) guess is that the most you could get 50% of people to agree with is that there should be fines for marijuana use.
But then, why ISN'T it ok to do? Seems like everyone does it, and I'm unconvinced that it results in any more societal harm per user than, say, alcohol.
And by everyone I mean the 40% of the population cited above. Sorry if this is getting political, I'll stop now.
What a blatant stereotype. I burn and listen to Barry Manilow.
I heard reefer turned you into a lizard, is that true??
Never smoked reefer in college...just drank my ass off.
I do have a tongue like a lizard though.
Do lizards protect the pocket well?
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Tressel must go because his players get baked and occasionally drive drunk?
I'd like to see what you'd be saying if our head coach ran as loose of a ship as, say, Urban Meyer. Actually, you wouldn't be saying jack shit because we'd have won two titles in the last three years.
Saying Tress should be fired is the dumbest thing I've heard since the snuggie. Would you say university presidents should be fired based on the actions of the general student body? I doubt it. Everyone makes mistakes and its up to those around them to make sure this type of behavior isn't repeated. How much trouble did Troy get in after the $500 handshake? None that I can think of, and he won a Heisman. Seems like Tress is doin just fine to me.
honestly I'd rather have them smoking pot then drinking like boone.
Awesome. I mean it.
You, sir, are a douchebag.
He sat the the first quarter of the texas game if memory serves me correctly. So you could say it cost us a shot at the national title.
Hey, I'll keep the fire going even though it seems to be dying out...
You ask why it ISNT ok to do? Well, good luck being a politician with this on your agenda, for starters.
Second, there is some subtle racism in the legislative reality. If you were to look at the population of prison inmates convicted and serving time for marijuana related criminal offenses, I suspect an extremely disproportionate number of them would be African American. Then add in three-strikes laws (remember kids, its not just that we make marijuana offenses criminal realities, but three offenses like JB and MA and you're going to jail for a long, long time)...
Look, I know I'm playing around with pissing the internet off here with assertions that might rustle with folks' opinions and a complete lack of, you know, DATA to prove my point, so I'm saying this with some trepidation...
You ask why it ISNT legal? Well, I suggest that at least one factor for why it is still illegal is the simple fact that it is a very cozy, very sterile and very convenient (not to mention effective) way to keep young black males in jail, which is where, subconsciously, the white majority wants to keep them.
Just saying.
yup, and he wasnt himself against penn state if memory serves me right...or am i confusing my seasons?
I think MOC is clarett...but more importantly...
wait, trapasso got arrested? twice? what in the hell for? sorry, i almost spit my milk out laughing with this mental image of the punter getting in trouble. you know, since the punter is that low key guy that never parties cause he's such a dweeb, all that...
I'm glad I've never argued with Phil before...this proves he's a complete idiot.
I'm pretty sure players were doing cocaine in the huddle during the sixties. What can you say, kids are stupid.
The only thing different is more get caught now...I don't know if its more political correctness or what. Players don't have the same kind of benefits they used to.
he missed the alamo bowl, and the first game of the year. and he wasnt suspended for the texas game as far as i know, zwick just started because he started and played well the first game of the year against Miami IIRC.
He looked like Pryor this season.
It's true.
Pryor looked a lot better if you look at it from merely a stats standpoint.
"Dumber than the Kansas State fan debacile"...Pot, Kettle
Wasn't Cornelius Greene going all Tony Montana, dropping his face into a mountain of nose candy in the middle of a huddle once, and wasn't it inferred Woody knew something about it?
the inside infoers are saying that if the pot test comes back negative then the charges will be dropped. adams and shugarts insist that it will be negative, sooooo...
normally i'd be like "yeah okay you dumb kids," but since the test was given right then and there, they would've had no opportunity to drink a billion gallons of water or take something to mask it. so i think there's a somewhat better than decent chance they'll get out of this without major legal repercussions
Leave the Snuggie out of this you sumbitch!
No, it turns you into a 13 time gold medalist!!
OK I said I was done, but...
I meant only that the poster above me was concerned about legalization on the grounds that it sent the "wrong" message, which implies that such activity is objectively wrong, bad, etc. Completely understandable that it's not legal, given the factors you cited, my only question was, "What makes it something we need to discourage, other than the circular argument that it's against the law?"
Smith also sat during the bowl game (Oklahoma State, Alamo Bowl), but at that point it was unclear whether he was the starter, as Zwick had started most of the season, and Zwick had a good enough game that we didn't really need a change of pace, so maybe he was just sitting because he was the kind-of-sort-of second stringer (can you imagine that?)
Like I said: LEGALIZE IT!
One of the big principles here (even though it doesn't apply specifically in Adams'/Shugarts' case) is that it's generally a suspect situation when the police have to BREAK the law in order to ENFORCE it.
Another is the problems CAUSED by, rather than SOLVED by, the "War On Drugs" formulation (which, unless you're significantly older than me, is the only posture the government's had on this issue in your lifetime). Check out a blog called "The Agitator" and read a few of the posts w/ the tag "Police Professionalism". The Foster case (which Phil demonstrates his ignorance about by citing it above) is mentioned there - dude is still aces in my book (ha! gambling joke! see what I did there?).
newsflash...........college kids drink and smoke pot--- that I get. What I dont get is that these guys are stupid enough to drive around with some kind of accesories (clips, bong, papers, etc... ) in the car. That is just begging to get busted. Keep the shit in the dorm room (locked in a safe) and dont pull a Michael Phelps. Anyone who thinks that most of the team is not doing drinking or smoking doob during off time is naive. These 2 dudes just need to learn to be smart and keep their noses clean.... for g-d's sake, what did they do to harm society?? Carry some (assumed) drug accesories... we dont do drugs your honor.. the stuff is not ours...
They will get off with $250 fine each and community service and they will have learned a valuable lesson about closed door recreation. Better to have this now then something worse later.....
News Flash: They got busted with drug paraphernalia, not a Nate Newton style pot van.
Neither player was arrested.
oh, right, sorry i didn't quite catch the angle that you were questioning. yes, i'd agree with you to some extent, though i highly doubt the majority (at least 51%+) of american voters and voices would be willing to make that distinction. this is such a deep-seated issue, it is almost a 'spiritual' matter. i can just see the fundamentalist church folk locking arms with the social conservatives once again to defeat the devil and his drug-legalization agenda....its coming down the road, i think, this will be the next gay-marriage flashpoint issue.
i'll throw down a hell yeah on this. and ftr, i've never toked on a cigarette let alone a joint, so this isn't just a hippie dippie pothead begging for legalization. i'm simply a very concerned citizen about the repercussions this so-called 'war' and paramilitary law enforcement and over-jailing has had on our country.
Shugarts has always been a fuck-up, IMO. It was only a matter of time before something happened like this. I am a little surprised by Adams, he's always seemed like a pretty straight up guy.
^^^Harsh^^^ He made a mistake, lets hope he learns from it.
shut up dude weve all done it i read this blog of all you hippocrits just running your traps its not a big deal you all loved phelps when he brought home 8
I always wonder how it is even possible to make "drug paraphernalia" charges stick with marijuana, since everything used to smoke marijuana can also be used to smoke tobacco, and is even legal to purchase at a legitimate store.
I think the legal distinction used is "I know it when I see it" which is complete bullshit.
Well, I actually know a lot of this class personally, most of them are really great guys. I just never liked Shugarts.
hope this isn't true:
http://forums.the-ozone.net/me...
http://www.cleveland.com/bucke...
Adams charge dismissed.
Tommy Chong approves.
great news...guess it is innocent until proven guilty....glad to have Big Mike competing for that LT spot with a clear head
SONOFABITCH.
Haha, this is hilarious. So Adams smokes a regular, normal tobacco pipe, like...um, old white dudes?
a.) Many folks the SEC over are going to bitch that the cops let him off the hook, but that's a lot of corruption-you would have to prove that the 'drug testing' on the pipe was doctored, and you would have to prove that Adam's piss-test was also doctored. I don't see the logic in why the cops would go to the trouble of charging the kids if then they backed down and corrupted the evidence. Personal verdict: I'm buying the cops' story at this point.
b.) This at least answers the 'wait how come they were charged with a bong when you can legally buy a bong to legally smoke tobacco' question. It wasn't a bong, it was an old-white-dude pipe, which I imagine resembles in some way a crack pipe. So, the cops saw the old-white-guy pipe and assumed Adams was smoking crack with it? Is that how the story looks to everyone else or am I making things up in my head here?
I knew a kid who smoked an old-white-guy-pipe in college (seriously, what should we call that). He was uptight, white and had an uptight-white-older-man-father: a Lutheran pastor. That made sense to me, but this is strange.
It's very simple to make the distinction between use of a pipe for marijuana sake and use of a pipe for tobacco. It's all about the resin left in side the pipe. They can test this just like marijuana. In all actuality it would be no different from testing a marijuana leaf compared to a tobacco leaf.
REALLY hope that isn't true.
Here's something that really burns me: how does running a stop sign (my guess is they didn't come to a COMPLETE halt, big whoop), turn into the cops searching a car for anything they can find?!?!!?!?
Assholes...
I'm glad Adams gets the last laugh, he smokes tobacco out of it!
It probably was an illegal search, and they let 'em off the hook to save their own asses from a lawsuit. Well, maybe.
You personally not liking someone means about dick in the football player department, same goes for you liking them. Do you draft your fantasy team by "straight up guys"? If so, I have a nice money game you can join. Listen, football prowess is why we recruit these kids; character is a quasi-measurable variable. You just don't know what they will do once they get on campus and anyone acting like incidence such as these are some sort of "evidence" that the program is in decline or trouble, you are just unaware of this sort of think happening in other eras. Trust me, it did.
And that is what I think is so frustrating about situations like this, the cops were probably in the wrong, but people following the situation come onto the blogs screaming about how these kids are morons...
WOW, this got out of HOUND! Thanks to Phil....!
The real question: does bright boy up above still want Tressel fired because his players like smoking a pipe every now and then?
No one tell him Terrelle Pryor chews toffee in his spare time while relaxing by the fireside with a mite of brandy.
haha pogue, i was going to ask that question a few hours ago but i was just waiting for a more, ah, regular poster to take the honors...
Feel free to contribute all you want. We don't discriminate. Mostly.
zingers just zing more when they zing-er is a regular
Seriously, how long did that take for 'ol Phil to punch out on his keyboard...? Phil, your basically family here I dont understand the hatred at our leader senator Vest? Ultimatly every program has it's wrinkles, the head coaches and staff either iron them out or watch them go!
dangit can't type...
Does anyone believe that it was a tobacco pipe? The cops were doitch bags and searched illegally (as most cops are) and they got their tit in a wringer. The kids deserve a break...they are just kids and hopefully learned a lesson.
If these lids can block somebody, I could care less if they hit it every now and then. I'm sick of government telling us what we can't do. This is America. As long as they go to class, get decent grades and work their ass off, they deserve a little down time. Screw the cops.
"Jerry spent some time in Michigan
A twenty year vacation, after all he had a dime
A dime is worth a lot more in Detroit
A dime in California, a twenty dollar fine"
I didn't say anything about the decline of the program, in fact, I think the opposite. All I said is that this 1 guy was a fuck-up. And yes, I'd draft a team based at least somewhat on moral character, wouldn't want a Mike Vick to mess up your fantasy season would ya?
no worries, its not, as far as my source knows that is
No - it was probably in plain sight. Why would they hide a tobacco pipe? But if you want to keep believing that all police are crooked, don't mind me.
Again - why do you all assume that the search was illegal?? Did one of the players say as much or are all the buckeye potheads here just too paranoid and anti-police?
If the pipe was in plain sight - and why wouldn't it be - there was no conspiracy to cover up any wrong-doings.
But honestly - everyone here who defends pot-smoking should dump their stashes and toss their pipes because the DEA has been illegally monitoring your internet postings and will be raiding your apartments any minute.
Everybody panic!!!
Narc!