Comments on: Five Things: Purdue

By: Fakewoodyman

Fakewoodyman — Tue, 14 Oct 2008 00:19:50 +0000

Unfortunately, Tampa Buckeye, we are not going change anything. you know that, we know that, and everyone else that posts and prays for change knows that (at least deep down, anyway).

Pray for better players, it’s the only way Tressel teams improve. There will never be a change in gameplan to utilize the talent as best we can, all you get is the same and it’s up to better players to make better plays. I have come to that conclusion

By: tampa buckeye

tampa buckeye — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 23:39:49 +0000

Beanie is right on. The Play calling and personel must change. #71 should never see the field at Ohio State. #7wr should get some touches five would be a good start.
Please stop running Mo Wells up the gut. Tressel go watch how the eagles use Brain Westbrook. Screens and wheel routes. Mo wells has been misused the kid had some crazy stats in highschool (fla).
Beanie isn’t 100% foot or stamina wise. We need him the next two weeks for sure. We didn’t need him to get hurt vs Purdue so I don’t mind him not being use as much as we’d like to see him.
Lastly, Terrelle needs to cut it up field and take the 5-7 yards. Once he gets north and south he’s much harder to stop.
Do we still have a Tight end on the team? Middle is open all day.

By: Fakewoodyman

Fakewoodyman — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:08:18 +0000

Well Robb, I can’t argue with those numbers. I guess I just say, do you honestly believe that the Michigan teams of the last few years were as good as those years? I don’t.

maybe you can change my mind, I am willing to admit being wrong, but I’m not sure that where AP voters voted teams convinces me it was tougher to win the conference now than then (at least off the top of my head)

maybe I am engaging in revisionist history, but those Michigan teams seemed to have more guys drafted, won more bowl games and overall seemed better. Clearly the Michigan team that we beat in 2006 was as overrated as we were that year

anyway, I appreciate the effort to quantify the argument

By: Robb

Robb — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 16:42:49 +0000

scUM has been better the last 5 years than you are giving them credit for. In the last five years they have averaged a 10th place ranking and the Buckeyes have averaged a 9th place ranking.

From 1994 to 1998, arguably the best 5 years of Coopers reign, the results are as follows: scUm had an average 13th placed ranking. The Bucks on the other hand had an average 7th place ranking.

The math speaks for itself. Tressel has played and beaten a better meatchicken team than Cooper did.

Disclaimer: I got the ranking from the following website:http://bentley.umich.edu/athdept/football/umosu/results.htm

If their numbers are inaccurate I apologize.

By: Fakewoodyman

Fakewoodyman — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 15:26:11 +0000

Robb and others, I do not think my point was made clearly enough and that is my fault. I am not saying that I would want Cooper over Tressel. What I am saying is that it is my belief ( I think reasonable) to assume that cooper would have won more Big ten titles and beaten a piss poor Michigan program more than he was able to.

No Coach is hated as much as cooper around here, just read the posts and name calling of him, it’s hillarious … yet many of these same people act as though you are the anti-christ if you question Tressel’s accomplishments, with facts nonetheless. The big ten’s bowl record and OOC record since 2000 is terrible.

My biggest point is that Cooper and JT have not, never have, and never will compete against comparable competition. It isn’t a level playing field when you talk about conference titles … it is way easier than when Cooper was trying to win them.

Even those of us that would prefer Tressel over Cooper (Yes I would still take JT) recognize that all of Jt’s successes need to be evaluated in context, which when done so, shows that he has been a good coach, but far from great or excellent. We see that to win the big ten does not TAKE MUCH AT ALL!!!! bit basically means you only have to field a team that can stay within 4 TDS of the top ten teams in the US. That is an undeniable fact.

therefore, it is quite proper to say that JT’s accomplishments are not head and shoulders above what cooper was able to do. You do not thin that Cooper would rather be facing Michy over the last 5 years???? the answer is obvious

By: Sean

Sean — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 12:29:24 +0000

I don’t think it is so much that Beanie likes being out. I think he buys way too much into being a team player and making sure all his teammates have a shot. I don’t think its that he doesn’t have the killer instincts. But there is a time and a place for being a good guy. Beanie, at 75% still starts on all 120 teams, I don’t care about Moreno or McCoy, best combination period, but the one thing Beanie doesn’t have is the arrogance that you have to have as a gamebreaker. I’m not talking Keyshon “Give me the damn ball” Johnson, But you think about any sport. Down by two at the buzzer, not a man who’d rather have it in his hand than Kobe, Bases loaded, 3-2, down by three bottom of the ninth, Love him or hate him, but Manny is clutch. Need a game winning drive, no on still in the NFL does it better than Favre. They all have that attitude that says, I’m takin this over, Beanie needs to redevelop that like Wisky and Michigan last year.

By: buckeyedude

buckeyedude — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:58:40 +0000

And in response to TACO, I think Dane Sanzenbacher is Pryor’s go-to guy. I think when he’s back to good health he should start over Hartline, who now has caught a case of the “dropsies”, a la Robiskie. Dane will catch the ball. I give him a break because he was hit simultaneously by three Wisconsin defenders.

I’ll also be glad to see Boom back in the lineup. Boy how things have changed!

By: buckeyedude

buckeyedude — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 09:39:35 +0000

A round of applause to POGUEMAHONE for a his first post, which was great. I agree with everything you said.

And to MATT, who said, “I still don’t believe that PSU is a lights-out team.” R U frigging kidding me? It took OSU everything it could muster, and a little luck even, to beat Wisconsin in a close one.

PSU hands it to Wisconsin 48-7. Get real. PSU is for real. Have you not seen the Big Ten commercial where Joe Paterno grits his teeth and says, “COME TO PENN STATE!” I think the man is taking VIAGRA and STACKER 2s at the same time.

Maybe that is what the Tressel, Bollman, Heacock and the OSU offensive line need to get motivated! ;)

By: dt

dt — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 06:02:32 +0000

Okay - how many times has OSU lost to much weaker teams in the last few years? Losses comparable to say, USC/Oregon State, USC/Stanford, Florida/Miss State, LSU/Kentucky, etc, etc?

The last one I can think of was maybe Illinois.

Tressel ball isn’t perfect but it ain’t the worse thing around either.

By: Maje

Maje — Mon, 13 Oct 2008 05:22:01 +0000

I would like to point out that Beanie was not able to play as much as he’d liked. Herron was held out. Beanie had the flu and was having fatigue issues. Therefore we were down to Mo Wells and Mo Wells, Jr (Brandon Saine).

Regardless, I was quite annoyed at the playcalling which was somewhere between predictable and announced pre-game. I think Tressel must hate Terrelle Pryor or something, because the man has all but tied the kid’s hands by not letting him throw on early downs. I was in the crowd, and those boos had been building up. The frustration in the crowd was tangible long before the shanked field goal, and there had been a number of booing fans every time a 1st down power run was followed up by a 2nd down counter or draw.

And a note to Heacock: Look what happens when you let this secondary play man. The defense was batting down passes and forcing Painter to hold on to the ball longer than he would ever like to for simple 5 yard routes. No more zone, sir.