The Buckeyes in Lines and Pixels
You never want to wish the summer away, but this season can’t really get here soon enough. We know that, despite seeing a quite a few great teams over the past seven years, this one could be special. The guys getting paid to put together rankings seem to agree as virtually every pre-preseason poll has the Buckeyes or Georgia in the top spot.
But what does Vegas think? The Money Line Journal compared summer rankings to current odds and showed that while the press may be all about the Buckeyes and Bulldogs, the guys setting the odds like a few other teams better. USC is the favorite at 3-1, while the Florida Gators have the 2nd best odds at 6-1. Oklahoma is 3rd at 8-1, while Georgia and Ohio State round out the top five at 9-1 and 10-1 respectively.
One thing to keep in mind is that the odds don’t necessarily represent a team’s full worth. The Buckeyes have the fifth-best odds to win the championship, but they could easily be the second-best team in the nation. The fact that they have to go on the road to the team with the best odds is most certainly playing a factor on their number. Either way — the winner of the Battle of Los Angeles on September 13th will not only sit atop the polls, but will also be the team with the new best odds to win the championship.
Click image to enlarge (Operation Sports image)If Vegas isn’t your thing in terms of indicators, screenshots revealing top player rankings for EA’s NCAA Football 09 are out and the Buckeyes and Trojans are both stacked. Laurinaitis registers a 99 overall rating, Beanie a 97, Jenkins, Boone and Freeman are 96s while Rehring and Lawrence Wilson close out the top seven with a 95 and 94, respectively.
While I’m not sold on Rehring at 95, this is a partial list of guys that weren’t good enough to make the first screen: Robiskie, Coleman, Washington, Chekwa, Hartline, Cordle, Boeckman, Saine and Heyward. Scary, huh?
Click image to enlarge (Operation Sports image)In the minds of EA, the Buckeyes are slightly better than USC, as the Trojans only have three players with a rating of 95 or better to the Buckeyes’ six. Linebacker Ray Maualuga is a 98 — and he’s given me enough nightmares to earn it. All-American safety Taylor Mays is a 96 and tackle Fili Moala is a 95. The Trojans’ second beast of a linebacker, Brian Cushing checks in with a 94 rating.
What’s interesting about this Trojan team and it’s nicely illustrated in the player rating graphic, is the fact that most of USC’s talent is on the defensive side of the ball. McKnight is electrifying and Sanchez will be good (if not right away), but that defense could be the best unit the Buckeyes go against since the BCS Championship victory over Miami.
(Odds link via Get the Picture)
On a side note, did anyone see the EXTREMELY Busch league play by House of the Celtics when he stood up (off the bench) and clapped his hands right next to LeBron’s face while LeBron was shooting a 3 in front of the Celtics bench? Real classy Boston…..and any of you die hard Celtics fans from the Larry Bird age….take notice this is not your fathers’ classy Celtics team, with the exception of KG. As much as he killed my Cavs, I do have to say he always handles himself with class and avoids on and off the court troubles
KG isn’t classy. He yelled out f***ing f***ots out loud during Game 4 in Cleveland. I have no idea if he was yelling at the crowd or not, but the man is not classy at all.
Steering back on topic…
Lawrence Wilson is a 94 overall after missing a year. Freeman is a 96, higher than Bobby Carpenter was his senior year and I think a point under where AJ Hawk was his senior year. Steve “Cartman’ Rehring should be a 95 if he can keep his weight under 320. He has the size and the technique when he’s at the appropriate weight.
Those first two are the big oddities. I personally don’t think Freeman’s anymore than a 90 after seeing his ass get trucked numerous times last year. And they’ve got about a game and random mop-up time in ‘06 to grade Lawrence Wilson, and he’s better than Cam Heyward who was phenomenal last year?
The only other ranking that bothers me is Laurinaitis, too. He is the second coming of Brian Urlacher; he’s freaky-deaky fast with unbelievable sideline-to-sideline awareness BUT he’s useless without good D-lineman in front of him. Yes, most linebackers are that way, but as we saw against Penn State and at critical junctures of the MNC, the man simply cannot get off a block.
As far as SC, I’m not sure Cushing deserves a 94 and I think Mays might be a little overhyped. But it should make for a fun game to play, and an even better one to watch.
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Mays is the real deal. Don’t often see free safeties at 6-4 and 225.
Why is Joe Fox posting as poguemahone?
Thanks Wil,
You stole my exact thought before I had it. I didn’t scroll down, and I guessed it was Joe Bauserman, I mean Joe Fox.
You all desperately need to find things to do – “things” other than trying to track me down, that is. Geez. :)
Rehring’s technique is passable, but he lacks drive and a mean streak. He’s not a 94, though I will say that the last video game I played was on an Atari, circa 1988. Lawrence Wilson’s ranking is a bit of a puzzle, too, since I can’t imagine what film they’re seeing that justifies an appraisal like that. They certainly can’t be watching practice, though I will admit he got better as the Spring sessions progressed.
Mahone makes an excellent point about Laurinaitis – he’s alright in open space, but can’t separate from a block, and that will kill him in the pros. If I were a GM, I’d move him to outside linebacker, or – at the very least – draft him into a 3-4, and let him be one of two middle linebackers (he’d be a passable Steeler, for sure). He should be the one not counted upon to stuff the run and absorb blocks. He needs to be the roamer and blitzer – a Kevin Greene as opposed to a Levon Kirkland.
It all comes down to Boeckman, doesn’t it? If he can avoid underthrows, particularly against teams with excellent safety play (USC, anyone?), keep away from brain-dead games (Illinois, anyone?), and stay on his feet (LSU, anyone?), OSU has a shot. The Vegas odds reflect, in part at least, the simple fact that a large portion of the media and press don’t want to see OSU in another national title flop. The Bucks have to win and win well in LA just to have a shot at another game, regardless of whether they sweep the rest of their schedule or not. I still believe they’ll have trouble getting into the game if they sweep their season, particularly if another team or two is undefeated.
I’d write more, but I have to jump in the truck, get across town to Hilliard, and log in as PogueMahone so I can continue arguing with myself. :)
Wil – That’s low, man. Low.
The difference is I think we’ll beat USC, by 10 or more points.
BF- Yeah, he’s a physical freak, no doubt. So was Tony Mandarich.
Did you happen to notice the screen shot of the Ohio State-Ohio Bobcats match up?
Ohio State
Offense – 99
Defense – 99
Special Teams – 99
Not bad for the number 3 team in the country…
* I mean
99 – Overall
99 – Offense
99 – Defense
No Special teams listed…
Well, I couldn’t let this go unaddressed. Laurinaitis at 99 overall has got to be the most absurd player rating conceived yet by EA.
http://www.orangeandbluehue.com/2008/05/20/ea-sports-likes-some-gators-also-likes-some-crappy-teams-players-too-much/
And I’m not trying to pick any fights here — honest, I really like Eleven Warriors, and I’m totally over the violent hatred we Gator fans developed during the days leading up to the 2006 title game — but I think USC ought to blow the Bucks out. By at least 2 TDs, maybe 3.
I don’t have any special love for USC here but it’s a bad matchup for the Bucks.
The silver lining is that it provides the Bucks with a ticket to return to the title game. A “normal” Big 10 and OOC schedule doesn’t necessarily get the Bucks there unless they go undefeated.
But if Ohio State wins that game and finishes the season with one loss or less, they should be back in the title game again, lackluster interest in seeing them there by the public and media be damned.
So it’s a crucible, a double-edged sword and an excellent opportunity all wrapped in one. I believe the Bucks will be outmatched but I wouldn’t mind seeing USC go down either. I always root for the underdog!
Sorry poguemahone, it was all meant in good fun.
Gatorpilot, 1st, welcome back, 2nd….I think this is a great matchup for the Buckeyes….tell me when is a better time to play USC than right now? They lost 4 starting lineman, their starting quasrterback, their leading rusher, their leading receiver (tight end) and 3 of their defensive front seven in the 1st round and a DB in the 2nd. This is as close to a rebuilding year as USC has come to in the last 7 years. Add to in that OSU has almost everyone coming back. Add to that the perception factor (you kind of already stated this)….beating USC might be the only thing that keeps OSU in the National Title hunt this year. I think this year is set up perfectly for OSU. Does that mean things can’t go wrong? No. But Ohio State needed a big early season game like this in order to even be mentioned in the National Title picture….so nothing could be more perfect for them than having the oppurtunity to play the (argueably) biggest name program of the last decade early in the year while they are still replacing a ton of very pivotal starters.
Also, Laurinitas can’t be the “most” absurd player rating conceived yet by EA….did you play Madden a couple of years ago when they made Michael Vick into a football God? I still think that 1 is worse. He was the most overhyped player the NFL has had in the last decade.
Yeah, Vick was ridiculous although I don’t really play Madden. Fun game but I just can’t get into pro football.
Me either, I just heard how ridiculous he was so I had to try it out….and he was pretty much the Tim Tebow of the Pro’s…….except Tim Tebow actually performed that well in real life, not the digital world.
Wil, I like you.
“The difference is I think we’ll beat USC, by 10 or more points.”
I think we drop the game by that same margin, but I hope OSU does the conference a favor and cleans Carroll’s/U$C’s clock.
Did you guys read that UF blogger’s opinion? I let it slide he called tOSU a crappy team, but he goes as far as to say Laurinaitis isn’t going to get drafted. He can think what he wants, that is his “blogger’s right” but seriously who has a hissy fit over player’s rankings in a video game?
Yeah, I couldn’t resist commenting on that article.
read the comments on it….1 of the Florida fans said he would rather tackle Wells than Tebow.
I think most linebackers would rather tackle Wells instead of Tebow. :)
I don’t know, seeing how Tebow has 3 inches on him but weighs the same, I would rather tackle Tebow since he can’t get down as low, plus Beanie is bigger for his given size…
Funny Guy.
Tim Tebow has retard strength though.
I had the hissy.
But I did not shoot the deputy…
Justin Boren:
I hope you guys enjoy having his brother sitting on the bench…that’s why his daddy got all pissed and yanked Justin from Michigan. RR wouldn’t give the little Boren an offer so he took his “ball” (Son) and went home to Ohio State!
Here is Desmond Howard on your boy:
The most interesting thing Desmond mentioned in this interview by far was what he had to say about Justin Boren. After hearing about Boren’s family values comments, Howard did rush to judgment a little bit. Thankfully, though, he had a talk with some Michigan players that told him more about what kind of person Boren was.
At first, I was like, ‘Wow, he’s talking about family values.’ And sometimes you use key words, and I read that, and I was like, ‘Damn, this thing is just blowing up.’ So I came up here (to Michigan) and I watched them practice. I was in the weight room working out, and two players started talking to me, and in general conversation they said, ‘This guy, Desmond, was a complainer. He complained about workouts, he complained about practices.’ And this is what they told me: ‘Really, we’re better without him.’ I said, ‘Wow, that’s a different side of the story I hadn’t even thought of.’ I knew they were training in a way they’ve never trained before.
So then he went to Ohio State, and I was like, ‘Well, how loyal can this guy be? All the colleges available to him, and he goes to Ohio State?’ I talked to Rich, and Rich told me he talked to him, and Rich said (Boren) never was really happy no matter what they did. And Rich said, ‘Desmond, I’ve got to do things my way.’
Ok, a few things.
1. Thank you Joe. We realize you believe that we are in for a disappointing season (9-3 THIS season would be an utter fucking catastrophe to this Buckeye). However, for all the reasons Wil stated, this is probably the most beatable USC team since 02′. Disagree?
2. While I agree with most every Buckeye that we HAVE to beat USC to have a shot at the NCG, I completely disagree that we could go undefeated, even if we beat USC by a point, and still not make it to the title game. I understand that 80% (the other 20% being Buckeye Nation) of the country doesn’t want to see the Bucks in the championship again, but we don’t play in the WAC. We will start out no lower than 3rd in every poll, so we win, we’re in…it’s that simple.
3. I’ll agree that Laurinaitis has had trouble coming of the block, but to say he is overrated is absolutly crazy! He had 18 tackles in the National Title game! Yeah, you read that right, 18. I don’t care if they were all 20 yards down field, he busts his ass on every play. He came back because he gets what it is to be a Buckeye. He will go down as one of the all time greats, better than Hawk (I know, almost blasphemous to say) and is probably the closest thing to Spielman we will see for a long time. A 99 overall? Great. He earned it. Can’t wait to play. And if you need further proof…watch this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9-k7Czh_ww
P.S. The picked pitch against Washington was straight off of a video game, that shit isn’t supposed to happen in real life.
Something else to help with that Erectile Dysfunction.
“Were pick 6 happens”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_islQ52F3Qs&feature=related
Gawd, I love this team!
“However, for all the reasons Wil stated, this is probably the most beatable USC team since 02′. Disagree?”
I don’t think U$C is rebuilding quite as much as folks think – they’re awfully deep, their NFL losses notwithstanding. Sanchez will be much better this year, and we still have Boeckman at quarterback, and I haven’t seen him win us a clutch, big game yet, with the very suspect exception of p*nn st*t* on the road last year.
U$C has off-field issues may affect them more than their NFL losses. McKnight’s situation is up in the air, the press is crawling under the woodwork, looking for stories, etc. That can either tear a team apart or make them very, very ticked off. Carroll’s a pretty good motivator.
If Boeckman plays smart, OSU can beat U$C. If he throws balls up for grabs to U$C’s safeties, we’re screwed. I’d love to see them come back to Columbus with a convincing road win over a legitimate national power – the program desperately needs that, since we play in a conference where the other teams just aren’t pulling their weight, either.
Sorry. There’s a “that” missing in the first sentence of the second paragraph. Mea culpa. It’ll be perfectly understandable to your average SEC fan as written, though. :)
And, why do Michigan fans think we give a damn (pun intended) about dickrod’s, desmond howard’s, or any other michigan players (past or present) opinions regarding Justin Boren? HE IS NOT ON SCHOLARSHIP! IF he is the fat, lazy, whiny bitch that you all claim he is, he will get to spend his time at Ohio State standing behind Tressel and watching Block O bury you’re 265lb “but fast and well conditioned” defensive lineman while LiC and company run wild. No loss to us what so ever.
But maybe, just maybe, Boren had a “final destination” moment and saw that dickrod porsche stall on the tracks and decided he would rather be on the train. We shall see…………
Wow, I’d like to clear up some things. Gatorpilot, if you run that blog, you oughta be a-fucking-shamed of yourself.
Laurinaitis was a top ten pick this year if he came out. No way he goes lower than 8th or 9th next year. Now, I agree with you, he’s overrated, and if I were a GM, I wouldn’t touch him ’til the late first-early second, but nfl GMs want to go for big splash, and Laurinaitis will give them that. He’ll be a ten year starter on some team in the NFL, much like Brian Urlacher.
GP, good to hear from you. Thanks for stopping by — you’re good for business.
I’m nervous as hell about the USC game and I know the Buckeyes are loaded. I think it’ll be close and we just have to hope to pull it out, but the Trojans of the past five years were pretty much unbeatable when they didn’t glance over the opponent. Sure, Oregon beat them in a heads-up game last season, but they were hit with some injuries.
They’re easily the most talented team in the country year-in and year-out and for big games, they light it up. Vince was just too much, but in every other big game during the Carroll era they’ve annihilated their opponent. Consider this resume:
2004
USC 41, ND 10
USC 55, Oklahoma 19
2005
USC 70, Arkansas 17
USC 45, Oregon 13 (the Ducks went 10-2 that year)
2006
USC 50, Arkansas 14
USC 44, ND 24
USC 32, Michigan 18
2007
USC 49, Nebraska 31
USC 38, ND 0 (granted the Irish sucked, but…)
USC 49, Illinois 17
Pete has no problem getting his boys up for the big games, but winning the tedious ones is where he can struggle. Like I said, it should be an incredible game and we just have to hope for the best.
Regarding Laurinaitis, he’s a tad overrated, but he’s still a hell of a linebacker and assuming the interior of the defensive line improves from last season, he’ll have a monster season. Easily a first-round selection.
Should be a fun year and we’ll both have horses in the race.
Luv whatcha do, Jason. Thanks for not taking it personally. You know me… I gotta stir the pot sometimes.
Good luck and blow those lazy west coast bastards out! One thing I appreciate about Ohio is that it shares the East Coast work ethic. Can’t stand those “get up at 11am, have a coffee, sit around for three hours and then do 20 minutes worth of work” types.
Oh, wait. That’s me…
If there’s one thing Florida fans know, its defense…
Hey GatorPilot, can you please post some crazy comments on my page too? I need the traffic.
Also GatorPilot, if I knew where you lived, I’d come to your house and punch you in the face for being an idiot.
I think everyone forgets this was to be the year not last. As a bonus we got the Number #1 guy in Pryor to stick in for the redzone. Well and Pryor will be a stronger version of the oregon backfield last year. Good luck to USC and the Sec we are coming for that ass.
i think it’s pretty funny that Beanie is listed as an 88 on strength
Poe McKnoe: the truth hurts, eh? There’s always someone in the world who can be counted on for the kindergarten response.
Damn it! That could have been me!
Wait! Wait! It still can…….uhhhhhm Gatorpilot……uhhhm…..you’re smelly…yeah ……..take that!
Truthfully though, I can’t really hate Florida fan’s because I have something in common with them……I absolutely loathe Georgia! That and most of the other SEC teams/fans hate them because they think they are to “northernized†….I’m assuming that is a southern word for “more educated,†which if you’ve been to the south you know is true. The education in Florida is much better in states such as Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, or Georgia.
Jason, I demand that you remove the results of any Notre Dame game in trying to prove your point that USC dominates its opponents. Please feel free to replace it with any of the stronger opponents they have played such as…….well such as anyone they have played in the last 10 years I guess.
make that “much better THAN” please
Okay this is the same thing I posted on Gatorpilot’s site http://www.theorangeandbluehue.com but I’m gonna post it here to end these arguements (or provoke them, take it however you want) about what would happen if they switched schedules, if Lil Animal is over-rated or not, and who is tougher Tebow or Wells….now remember this was directed towards Florida fans:
Here is the truth whether Ohio State fans or Florida fans want to here it:
If Ohio State and Florida switched schedules they’re results would probably be the same….that is Ohio State would have probably ended up 9-4 and Florida would probably have ended up losing in the National Title game (sorry but your defense wasn’t good enough to come close to winning it last year) and having it’s only other loss being to…well MIchigan (have to go with that 1 because it actually happened).
Lauranitas IS over-rated. Not nearly as over-rated as Gatorpilot thinks, probably should have been a late 1st round or a 2nd round pick this year…that said, he does have a CHANCE to improve on that this year and actually live up to the hype.
There is no defender in this country who isn’t wearing a Florida jersey that would even say that he would rather go head to head with Wells instead of Tebow (and the Florida guys would be lying). Now, they would probably rather defend against Wells because he is a running back that can’t throw as compared to a quarterback that can run.
As great as he is, and I have said on several occasions that he is probably the best college football player this year (offensively at least), Tebow is not stronger and does not hit harder than Wells….that is an ignorant comment. However, it’s also probably not as far off as most Ohio State fans think.
Good stats Jason, they have absolutely creamed their non-conference opponents. However, if you are going to include Notre Dame at all, don’t omit the 05′ (the reggie bu$h push) that they barely won (34-31), an Irish team that The Vest PUNISHED in the Fiesta Bowl.
Bottom line, the past is history and Sept. 13th can’t get here soon enough.
the real question with the buckeyes is can todd take us to the promise land. I think that was answered last year. I can tell you from the spring game nothing has changed. I hope they stop letting him throw deep so often. We don’t have a great wr that will get to the jump ball. Just give it to beanie,saine, and Pyror. Bench Boeckman if he continues to suck. He got bailed out vs washington, michigan, wisconsin,and purdue. If he had played well in those games we win by 30 in all of them.
Maybe Tuarian Washington can be that jump ball guy? My concern with the OSU passing game is that there’s nothing intermediate. Or at least there didn’t appear to be anything intermediate last season. Only slants and bombs.
Oh, and I’m gonna cut GatorPilot some slack for piling on Buckeyes. If OSU had beaten Florida 41-14, I would think the entire Gator lineup is crap as well (see ND).
Johnny Drama, that is a retarded comment, Boeckman was a 1st year starter in his 1st REAL game against Washington, and it was his read and audible to send Robiskie on a fly pattern that changed the tide of that game….bash when you need to, but give credit when credit is due.
I am going to say this 1 final time because I am getting extremely upset with how uneducated on college football some Ohio State fans are coming across as:
Anyone who thinks that we should bench Todd Boeckman and start Terrelle Pryor this year is an idiot. Anyone that thinks we have ANY shot of winning a national title this year by having Pryor be the starting QB is a RETARD! College football is a different animal than high school football. It is much more of a mental game. You can get by in high school on pure talent, you CANNOT in college. You need to be able to read and understand defenses. You need to know when to throw it away, you need to know when to take a sack. Pyor WILL learn these things….but he WILL NOT be an effective starter this year, especially because he was not able to enroll early.
We are starting to seem like Americans that are bashing the president…..what’s the point they are the only option you have, you need to support them and hope that they can get things done instead of being the perennial crybabies of America stuck in a society where everyone wants it their way and they want it now! I hate to turn this political but it’s the same thing, this is why people are in so much debt (most people, there are exceptions), they want things now and are living outside their means. We’ve done this before: remember Steve BelliSORRY Cooper saw his athleticism and wanted him on the field NOW, had he made sure that he was properly adjusted to being a college QB then he would have had a better chance at succeeding (yes I know he did not start at QB right away, however he spent too much time working with special teams and as a safety in the previous years to be prepared to run a college offense). Everyone WANTS to see what Pryor can do right away…you can ruin a kid that way, he can get into bad habits that are hard to break such as making 1 read and then taking off running or not learning when to take a sack or throw it away and start throwing pick 6’s that cost you games. Let the poor kid learn the system, learn his progressions, learn how to read defenses….and then when he is ready Tress will give him the nod….Tress played QB in college…..I think he will know when is the right time…..but for now, a retarded chimpanzee could see that he is not going to be ready right away.
Did we learn nothing from LSU and Florida? They did not win with flashy young QB’s, they won with boring veterans who will do nothing in the pro’s, solid defenses and good running games (or short passing games in Florida’s case).
Astute assessment Wil. We are always clammoring for the guy on the bench and don’t appreciate what we have. Here’s a real eye-opener for the “Bench Boeckman” crowd.
What if the coaches had decided to put Todd in the game when Zwick tweaked his hammy in the Alamo Bowl? Last year would’ve been his last year. We would be loaded going into this season except at QB.
If Pryor can play and do SOME things right away then great, play like we expect a Buckeye to play Terrelle. Bench Boeckman and give it all to Terrelle…I might join Joe in the 9-3 prediction.
Amen Wil. I made the same argument (minus the politics) a month or two back on Buckeye Commentary and was called everything from a mental retard to a pot head. I still don’t understand why people look so much into the performances in the spring game.
No one is mistaking Boeckman for Peyton Manning, but the guy has a year under his belt in which he played in big games and on the biggest stage. Not to mention he went 11-1 in his FIRST YEAR and lead a rebuilding team to the NCG. With our D and running game, all he has to do is manage the team and not make big mistakes (sound familiar?). Pryor will get his shot and we will be treated to some great things from numero duece, but this team is Boeckman’s until he proves otherwise.
Good thing Boecks didn’t get thrown into the Alamo bowl, I loved the shot-Ginn formation.
im retarded? who the hell calls someone retarded these days. Go suck W’s dick. Its fan like you that keep players we need on the field down the depth charts. Did anyone watch Todd is the Spring game? Do you think he has improved his game or stayed the same? If your going to get over the hump you need to change something right?
I never said start Pryor right away, but use him and use him in the red zone and on 3rd down.
Lastly, ask any college football fan outside of ohio and they will tell you Ohio State sucks. When they get in the big game they choke or maybe they shouldn’t of been there to begin with. If we don’t add something to the offense that works other than beanie we won’t beat USC or the SEC champion.
Boeckman looked get in the spring game 2 picks in 5 series. Hand that man the Heisman. Boeckman gets more than half the snaps we won’t win shit next year mark it down
GatorPilot,
“Laurinaitis is a 4th-round pick if he’s lucky, could easily go 5th or 6th round and I would frankly not be surprised one whit if he went undrafted. Nyah.” is a kindergarten comment if I ever heard one.
Johnny, Johnny, Johnny
Step back from the ledge and remember that they could have hired Glen Mason.
Taking something discernable from a Jim Tressel Spring game is ridiculous. Everything is watered down and it lacks the seriousness of a REAL game. Todd isn’t the greatest thing since sliced bread, but he’s not Babe Laughenburg (sp?), or better yet – Anthony Morrelli, either.
Listen to the Earle Bruce inside of you, “Things are never as bad as they seem…they’re never as good either.”
I think we all got spoiled with Troy Smith running the show. Boeckman will progress and cut down on the mistakes. I think we need to roll him out more so he isn’t a sitting duck in the pocket. I like his deep ball, he just needs to throw it a second earlier. How about we let the season start before we axe the QB that accomplished what Troy did minus the Heisman, i.e., a loss in the championship game…
Save us 11W, post something new!
johnny drama, I didn’t call you retarded (although I am now questioning if I should have), I called your comment retarded. However, you should grow up and quit telling people to suck dick when they disagree with your comment.
2 more things:
1) Unless he gets injured there is no way that Boeckman gets less than 80% of the meaningful snaps. So I’m marking down that (according to you) we won’t win anything. However, when we win the Big Ten outright for the 3rd year in a row (which has never been done before in the history of the Big Ten) and are a challenger for the National Championship late into the year (if not the winners)….feel free to admit that your comment actually was retarded.
2) You can take all the Spring game heroes all you want…..I’ll take the guys who end up starting but look bad in the spring game. Your team would get waxed. There is a reason the starters are starting…Tress knows what he is doing….that’s why he is getting paid millions to do this while you and I are not.
If the Tebow to Pryor comparison is valid, Tebow rushed 89 times and threw the ball 33 times his freshman season compared to leaks 365 attempts and 77 rushes.
That’s roughly 28% of the snaps.
its hard to not agree with the fact that todd as much as wil loves him sucks. I also agree if we don’t change something on offense we won’t beat the top tier team in college football. Wil if you think boeckman won’t lose a big ten game this year if he gets all the snaps you are dead wrong.
There is no way Boeckman should be benched, any talk of that is premature.
I know he threw two picks in the spring game, but I thought he was looking to complete the underneath pattern more. I think we are going to see quicker decisions and throws from Todd this year. Last season was his first competition in five years and there is no doubt he has worked hard in the off season. With everyone back, I think he may feel less pressure as well, knowing he doesn’t have to win games for this team.
As for Pyror, I hate to admit it, but he may need some time to develop and adjust to the competition. I know he was great in the Army game, but the jump from DII high school competition to DI college is tremendous, I don’t care what kind of athlete you are.
Boeckman Fett you are forgetting snaps where Leak was sacked, ran, or handed off the ball….add in all of those and Tebow probably got less than 20% of the snaps.
tampa buckeye, the big ten sucks this year….we would have a chance at winning all the Big Ten games even if you were the starter (that’s a hyperbole people I’m not serious).
Is everyone forgetting that Boeckman lead the Big Ten in pass efficiency last year? All the analysts who get paid to do this think he will be good. I don’t think he will be great but he is good. Buckeye fans are just looking for a scapegoat as to why we lost the NC last year….well here is some cold hard truth for you, last year we lost because LSU was the better more experienced team. Just because Boeckman is not Troy Smith does not mean he sucks. Do I think Terrelle Pryor will eventually be a better QB? Yes. Do I think he will be a better QB this year? No, it won’t even be close. Pryor probably won’t even be the best option as the full-time starter if Boeckman gets injured. That should probably be Bauserman..
Maybe Bauserman should start and take 80% of the snaps this year because he looked real good in the spring game! It’s obvious that going at 70% in a meaningless spring exhibition is EXACTLY like playing against the top teams in the country. In fact, why do pro scouts even waste their time with the ACTUAL FUCKING SEASON when they can find out everything they need to know about a players potential in April?
Boeckman- do you know if Tebow enrolled earlier so he could practice and learn the playbook in the spring of 06′? That would be a legitimate difference between him and Pryor as far as playing time his freshman year. Plus the gators had NO running back, and we will have a Heisman canidate get the 3rd and shorts.
Trust the Vest…He knows best.
There are good reasons why we bicker on blogs instead of field calls from JT about personnel decisions.
Tyler, Tebow did indeed enroll early.
Blogging makes me so angry I want to kick the next old lady I see wearing a jersey that isn’t OSU.
Did that poster from Flordia actually say Laurinaitis was a fifth round pick? I laughed until I discerned he was being serious. Now I want kick him in the nuts.
I think we have to give Boeckman the benefit of the doubt. Is he Troy Smith? No. Can he run the offense and avoid turnovers? At times yes, and other times no. I don’t think you throw young TP in and nor should you unless an injury happens or Boeckman really blows and TP shoots past Bauserman in the Fall.
Pryor is a special kind of player. He is a winner first off. Pryor is coming to PLAY at Ohio State next year not SIT. I look at Pryor as the Next Clarrett. Sometimes you just have to let the Horse run. I believe he will help us if he is given the chance. I believe we need him to help us. He will be harder to defend, and he will give defensive coaches nightmares.
However, I’m not saying bench Todd Boeckman. Todd can help us and will help us win it all. He must improve his game by protecting the football. Most of all he needs to be a leader on this football team. That was missing last year.
Just to add on the whole boeckman Pryor thing. Why not play them both? Pryor Is tall, he’s fast, and he can jump. Sounds like a great wideout to me. Anyone ever hear of the “T” formation? Line up Boeckman at qb, beanie in the middle Winged by Saine and Pryor. Saine and Pryor can both run out into the pattern. Saine and Pryor can also run the football. Put them both in motion and hit beanie up the gut. The plays that you can run from this formation are almost endless. Pryor will get alot of attention from the d because he can run it, pass it, or go out into the pattern. One that note im going to go talk shit to my gator fan neighbor.
tampa buckeye, the only problem with that is it would be taking away from his time learning the system and working with coach Daniels so that he could be ready to step in and start next year.
“I look at Pryor as the Next Clarrett.”
-JD
That made me throw up in my mouth.
I think he meant Pryor will be an impact player from day one just like Clarrett. Not that he’ll be bring the “goose” to practice. I still don’t understand why any buckeye fan would hate on Clarrett. He did bring a Title to town. All that matters to me is winning everything else is shit.
Wil do you ever have anything good to say? Do you kick your dog? I bet you do. Dog beater.
Let’s keep the vodka, AK47 and Jewish mafia away from TP.
Clarett 02′ was one of my favorite Buckeyes ever! The kid was sick and the play he made in the NCG stripping the ball from Sean Taylor might be the greatest football play I have ever seen, period.
Now, the abortion that was on the cover ESPN the mag, throwing the Buckeyes jersey to the ground because he was ready to go pro after one year, THAT man I hate. The guy who tried to take the entire OSU football program down by making up lies about Tressel, I hate. The dousche that had to get his goose on…..well, you get the point.
And who gets mixed up with the Jewish mafia anyways? Russian, Italian, hell, even the Yakuza is cooler than the Jewish mafia.
NCAA 2009 needs to come out asap…the long summer haul until football season gets a little easier when I can play this game
tampa buckeye, no I am not friends with Ron Mexico.
And yes I do have good things to say….I personally think tOSU will beat USC by 10-14 points, run the table and end up in the NC game with the best tailback in the country and the best defense in the country. I think this team will resemble the 02 squad more than the 06 squad, with a nice wrinkle of Pryor handling the short yardage/redzone snaps. My only worry is that other than a young USC and Wisconsin….no one will test the Buckeyes until the title game. All things aside, I really do think tOSU has the most talented squad in the country, add that to the amount of experience they are bringing back and I smell another title for the Vest. I just don’t know why people pile on Boeckman……in reality his team overachieved last year….if he can get this team to overachieve we may win every game by 10-14 points or more.
Did we have a Ron Mexico sighting?
I’m dying to play the mascot version of NCAA 09!