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	<title>Comments on: Buckeye Seedlings: Who Will be a Legend Edition</title>
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	<description>Only Between Gentlemen</description>
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		<title>By: Chaos Crusader</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2008/05/buckeye-seedlings-8.html#comment-19616</link>
		<dc:creator>Chaos Crusader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 12:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Joe

I like the 3-4 with a modified 85 Bear's look.  With people dropping in &#38; out as a call dictates, which only confuses a quarterback and buys precious split seconds which only helps a pass rush.  Its the difference between a QB being able to make the correct read and being rushed to force a throw or take a sack.  

One of problems on D, FWIW, we do not disguise our coverages well in the pre-snap.  Our guys seem to be tipping off blitzes and various coverages by being too jumpy.  Toss in an over abundance of zone coverage and we get the nightmare scenario when dealing with a hot or experienced QB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Joe</p>
<p>I like the 3-4 with a modified 85 Bear&#8217;s look.  With people dropping in &amp; out as a call dictates, which only confuses a quarterback and buys precious split seconds which only helps a pass rush.  Its the difference between a QB being able to make the correct read and being rushed to force a throw or take a sack.  </p>
<p>One of problems on D, FWIW, we do not disguise our coverages well in the pre-snap.  Our guys seem to be tipping off blitzes and various coverages by being too jumpy.  Toss in an over abundance of zone coverage and we get the nightmare scenario when dealing with a hot or experienced QB.</p>
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		<title>By: PHIL</title>
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		<dc:creator>PHIL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:46:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you're willing to pay for Dantonio, would you be willing to pay Mike Singletary to come out of the NFL?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re willing to pay for Dantonio, would you be willing to pay Mike Singletary to come out of the NFL?</p>
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		<title>By: Poe McKnoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poe McKnoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 13:24:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Bauserman (Fox),

I wasn't serious about buying out Dantonio, FYI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Bauserman (Fox),</p>
<p>I wasn&#8217;t serious about buying out Dantonio, FYI.</p>
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		<title>By: andy G.</title>
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		<dc:creator>andy G.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 03:28:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hard to consider legend talk when you've got "a team with a coaching staff that can't even beat a team AT HOME that won only two games the year before". At least that is the talk over at SMQ, stinks that JT got out Zookered at home. Johnny, Joe and B. Fett are just echoing the obvious weaknesses that have developed within the buckeye staff over the past few years. Even a super blessing of great seedlings get stunted with a staff that seems to be in over their heads, but enough grumbling. Just think about the would be legends that never get the chance, Joe Bauserman comes to mind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hard to consider legend talk when you&#8217;ve got &#8220;a team with a coaching staff that can&#8217;t even beat a team AT HOME that won only two games the year before&#8221;. At least that is the talk over at SMQ, stinks that JT got out Zookered at home. Johnny, Joe and B. Fett are just echoing the obvious weaknesses that have developed within the buckeye staff over the past few years. Even a super blessing of great seedlings get stunted with a staff that seems to be in over their heads, but enough grumbling. Just think about the would be legends that never get the chance, Joe Bauserman comes to mind.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2008/05/buckeye-seedlings-8.html#comment-19560</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not a big fan of Wilson's.  He's a solid player, and more consistent from play-to-play than Gholston, but his peak isn't close to Vernon's.  He's serviceable, but I don't expect the kind of numbers some folks in the press seem to think he'll generate.  I hope I'm wrong.

I keep waiting for Robert Rose to "click," but haven't really seen that out of him, either.  I hate to think he's the Corey Pargo of the 2000s.  

Poe wrote:
"Do you recommend we buy out Dantonio at Michigan State and rehire him?"

I think he was the best defensive coordinator in OSU history, bar none.  That said, he's gone for good.  No one leaves a D-I coaching job at a major school (it's Sparty, of course, but they're a good-sized program) to go back to a coordinator position at a former employer.  Dantonio's gone, and he should be - he's a talented coach who deserved a shot at a job, and now he's got it.  It's a credit to Jim Tressel that Dantonio forms a branch from the OSU tree.  If anyone can turn Sparty into a solid 8-4, bowl-bound team, year in and year out, it's Dantonio.

I think OSU has to play more man, and more aggressive coverage.  They will indeed be burnt from time-to-time (that's the nature and risk of man coverage), but they'll also create more turnovers - something that's been lacking lately - and work within a system that creates more blitzing opportunities.  You can blitz from a zone, of course (the Steelers have made a tradition of it), but not so well from a 4-3, in my opinion (others would strongly disagree).  If we were a 3-4 team, we could talk - and Gawd knows they'd be a fabulous 3-4 team with some defensive end help.  They certainly have enough linebackers for it.  I'm not sure why it's never been considered.  As deep as they are at linebacker, I'd be in a holy rush to get as many of those guys on the field as possible. 

Switching defensive philosophies takes time, though, and is an institutional thing - kind of like Nebraska shucking (pardon the pun) decades of the option in favor of a West Coast offense.  If a transition like that isn't prepped carefully, and bought into from top to bottom, it crashes like the Hindenburg.  Switching philosophical approaches to the game is not a process that can be hazarded willy-nilly.

I'm not sure what the answer is, or if the answer isn't lying within the minds of the current defensive staff - it may well be, and I hope it is.  I just think that what they're doing in big games against teams with comparable talent isn't working, and needs fixing - quickly, before week #3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not a big fan of Wilson&#8217;s.  He&#8217;s a solid player, and more consistent from play-to-play than Gholston, but his peak isn&#8217;t close to Vernon&#8217;s.  He&#8217;s serviceable, but I don&#8217;t expect the kind of numbers some folks in the press seem to think he&#8217;ll generate.  I hope I&#8217;m wrong.</p>
<p>I keep waiting for Robert Rose to &#8220;click,&#8221; but haven&#8217;t really seen that out of him, either.  I hate to think he&#8217;s the Corey Pargo of the 2000s.  </p>
<p>Poe wrote:<br />
&#8220;Do you recommend we buy out Dantonio at Michigan State and rehire him?&#8221;</p>
<p>I think he was the best defensive coordinator in OSU history, bar none.  That said, he&#8217;s gone for good.  No one leaves a D-I coaching job at a major school (it&#8217;s Sparty, of course, but they&#8217;re a good-sized program) to go back to a coordinator position at a former employer.  Dantonio&#8217;s gone, and he should be - he&#8217;s a talented coach who deserved a shot at a job, and now he&#8217;s got it.  It&#8217;s a credit to Jim Tressel that Dantonio forms a branch from the OSU tree.  If anyone can turn Sparty into a solid 8-4, bowl-bound team, year in and year out, it&#8217;s Dantonio.</p>
<p>I think OSU has to play more man, and more aggressive coverage.  They will indeed be burnt from time-to-time (that&#8217;s the nature and risk of man coverage), but they&#8217;ll also create more turnovers - something that&#8217;s been lacking lately - and work within a system that creates more blitzing opportunities.  You can blitz from a zone, of course (the Steelers have made a tradition of it), but not so well from a 4-3, in my opinion (others would strongly disagree).  If we were a 3-4 team, we could talk - and Gawd knows they&#8217;d be a fabulous 3-4 team with some defensive end help.  They certainly have enough linebackers for it.  I&#8217;m not sure why it&#8217;s never been considered.  As deep as they are at linebacker, I&#8217;d be in a holy rush to get as many of those guys on the field as possible. </p>
<p>Switching defensive philosophies takes time, though, and is an institutional thing - kind of like Nebraska shucking (pardon the pun) decades of the option in favor of a West Coast offense.  If a transition like that isn&#8217;t prepped carefully, and bought into from top to bottom, it crashes like the Hindenburg.  Switching philosophical approaches to the game is not a process that can be hazarded willy-nilly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what the answer is, or if the answer isn&#8217;t lying within the minds of the current defensive staff - it may well be, and I hope it is.  I just think that what they&#8217;re doing in big games against teams with comparable talent isn&#8217;t working, and needs fixing - quickly, before week #3.</p>
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		<title>By: tampa buckeye</title>
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		<dc:creator>tampa buckeye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and we got james jackson an absolute burner 4.31 wideout.  He is like teddy.  The best part is he is from Michigan and was the 1# wr in the state</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and we got james jackson an absolute burner 4.31 wideout.  He is like teddy.  The best part is he is from Michigan and was the 1# wr in the state</p>
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		<title>By: tampa buckeye</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we also had one hell of a d-line when dantonio was here.  We will relize next season what we were missing in L. Wilson.  He's big, tall and fast.  He can take half the field away when he get his hands up.  He won't get 14 sacks but he will knock down many passes this season.  The d line and O line should be awesome.  
We have a lot of young speed to work in (Saine, Pryor, Thomas, Posey, Washington)  if any of these guys step up we won't lose. The USC game has to be just like (Texas2006) all business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we also had one hell of a d-line when dantonio was here.  We will relize next season what we were missing in L. Wilson.  He&#8217;s big, tall and fast.  He can take half the field away when he get his hands up.  He won&#8217;t get 14 sacks but he will knock down many passes this season.  The d line and O line should be awesome.<br />
We have a lot of young speed to work in (Saine, Pryor, Thomas, Posey, Washington)  if any of these guys step up we won&#8217;t lose. The USC game has to be just like (Texas2006) all business.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 02:08:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The coaches have to approach the USC game differently than they did the last two title games.  Is man the answer?

Also, I second the bring back Dantonio motion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The coaches have to approach the USC game differently than they did the last two title games.  Is man the answer?</p>
<p>Also, I second the bring back Dantonio motion.</p>
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		<title>By: Poe McKnoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poe McKnoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 01:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Fox,

Do you recommend we buy out Dantonio at Michigan State and rehire him?

I do.  He coached high risk, high reward.  That's why the pass defense was so bad in 2002 and 2003.  But teams were also scared of them.  You could catch it, but you knew your were going to get hit.  QB, RB, WR, hell even TE, you were getting hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Fox,</p>
<p>Do you recommend we buy out Dantonio at Michigan State and rehire him?</p>
<p>I do.  He coached high risk, high reward.  That&#8217;s why the pass defense was so bad in 2002 and 2003.  But teams were also scared of them.  You could catch it, but you knew your were going to get hit.  QB, RB, WR, hell even TE, you were getting hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Drew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:51:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stoneburner is my pick to become something special.  Reminds me of mix between David Boston and Michael Jenkins (I know, I know, that is a little much to hope for, but he used the word legend.)  He has the size and quicks to be a Kelen Winslow type at WR with a little more speed than Winslow had.  Man it would be nice to have a big presence in the slot, like a big bruising Gonzalez.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stoneburner is my pick to become something special.  Reminds me of mix between David Boston and Michael Jenkins (I know, I know, that is a little much to hope for, but he used the word legend.)  He has the size and quicks to be a Kelen Winslow type at WR with a little more speed than Winslow had.  Man it would be nice to have a big presence in the slot, like a big bruising Gonzalez.</p>
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