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		<title>By: Eleven Warriors &#187; Blog Archive &#187; On The Bright Side..</title>
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		<description>[...] Jason discussed last month, Beanie is positioned to make a run at the Heisman in 2008 and last night&#8217;s effort should be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/the-08-heisman-pack-is-forming.html#comment-10299</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 18:43:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatorpilot, because our debate has lasted so long that this pic has been added pushed to the second page, posting my most recent comment to this page:
http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/lazy-thursday-caption-contest.html#comments</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatorpilot, because our debate has lasted so long that this pic has been added pushed to the second page, posting my most recent comment to this page:<br />
<a href="http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/lazy-thursday-caption-contest.html#comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/lazy-thursday-caption-contest.html#comments</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/the-08-heisman-pack-is-forming.html#comment-10282</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 15:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, also, did you find out if there was anything to that rumor about Urban Myer?  Or is our radio host who keeps bringing it up a jack@$$?

Also, here is a funny link from a CBS sports writer (and SEC fan) comparing the Big 10 and SEC.....make sure you check out the 2nd page also.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/spin/story/9007236</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, also, did you find out if there was anything to that rumor about Urban Myer?  Or is our radio host who keeps bringing it up a jack@$$?</p>
<p>Also, here is a funny link from a CBS sports writer (and SEC fan) comparing the Big 10 and SEC&#8230;..make sure you check out the 2nd page also.</p>
<p><a href="http://cbs.sportsline.com/spin/story/9007236" rel="nofollow">http://cbs.sportsline.com/spin/story/9007236</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/the-08-heisman-pack-is-forming.html#comment-10280</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 14:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That argument is NOT ridiculous as MANY analysts point out that SEC teams refuse to leave the South, &amp; when they do they usually don&#039;t fair well.  And I&#039;d REALLY be surprised if LSU has a decisive victory over tOSU.  LSU has not had a decisive victory against any half way decent team since Va Tech.  

And Florida vs. Michigan that&#039;s going to be Michigan in a landslide!  uhhhhm, just kidding, Tebow actually might surpass his Heisman winning stats in that game alone...the Capital One Bowl Selection Committee must HATE Lloyd Carr, they picked the 1 team that would be the WORST match-up for his defense for his last collegiate coaching game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That argument is NOT ridiculous as MANY analysts point out that SEC teams refuse to leave the South, &amp; when they do they usually don&#8217;t fair well.  And I&#8217;d REALLY be surprised if LSU has a decisive victory over tOSU.  LSU has not had a decisive victory against any half way decent team since Va Tech.  </p>
<p>And Florida vs. Michigan that&#8217;s going to be Michigan in a landslide!  uhhhhm, just kidding, Tebow actually might surpass his Heisman winning stats in that game alone&#8230;the Capital One Bowl Selection Committee must HATE Lloyd Carr, they picked the 1 team that would be the WORST match-up for his defense for his last collegiate coaching game.</p>
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		<title>By: Gatorpilot</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/the-08-heisman-pack-is-forming.html#comment-10240</link>
		<dc:creator>Gatorpilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 02:54:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wil, you do know the SEC has the all-time advantage head-to-head against the Big 10, pretty convincingly at 63-45-2?

I&#039;m glad you are a realist.  The Big 10 is unlikely to win more than one against the SEC this year.  Yet again, Tennessee draws a good Big 10 team in Wisconsin, and something tells me Bret Bielema will come up smelling like roses again.  Phil Fulmer just can&#039;t win a bowl game to save his life.

But the other two - the ones that matter - should be decisive victories for the SEC (Florida vs. Michigan and LSU vs. Ohio State).  If that doesn&#039;t come to pass, then you&#039;re right, a lot of SEC fans will have to eat crow, including me.  But I doubt that&#039;s what&#039;s in store for us.

By the way, the old argument about &quot;come up to play us in Big 10 territory&quot; is ridiculous.  We play plenty tough enough schedules as it is, thank you.  And no one wants to play a bowl game in the snow.  That&#039;s why they&#039;re all in the south.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wil, you do know the SEC has the all-time advantage head-to-head against the Big 10, pretty convincingly at 63-45-2?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you are a realist.  The Big 10 is unlikely to win more than one against the SEC this year.  Yet again, Tennessee draws a good Big 10 team in Wisconsin, and something tells me Bret Bielema will come up smelling like roses again.  Phil Fulmer just can&#8217;t win a bowl game to save his life.</p>
<p>But the other two &#8211; the ones that matter &#8211; should be decisive victories for the SEC (Florida vs. Michigan and LSU vs. Ohio State).  If that doesn&#8217;t come to pass, then you&#8217;re right, a lot of SEC fans will have to eat crow, including me.  But I doubt that&#8217;s what&#8217;s in store for us.</p>
<p>By the way, the old argument about &#8220;come up to play us in Big 10 territory&#8221; is ridiculous.  We play plenty tough enough schedules as it is, thank you.  And no one wants to play a bowl game in the snow.  That&#8217;s why they&#8217;re all in the south.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/the-08-heisman-pack-is-forming.html#comment-10190</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:39:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gatorpilot, on a side note, there is a rumor going around on the radio up here that Urban Meyer has an out to go to Michigan in his contract.......is that true?  If not can you please debunkify that myth for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gatorpilot, on a side note, there is a rumor going around on the radio up here that Urban Meyer has an out to go to Michigan in his contract&#8230;&#8230;.is that true?  If not can you please debunkify that myth for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, the Big 10 and Big 12 both have as many teams in BCS bowl games as the SEC, &amp; they each have 2 more in January 1st Bowls while the SEC has 3 (not really more impressive than the Big 10 &amp; Big 12 when you realize that the SEC has ties to 3 of the 4 non-BCS bowl games on January 1st)

Also, according to the BCS rankings (the only one that really matters right now); the SEC has 5 ranked teams with 2 ranked in the top ten......however, the Big 12 has four ranked teams with 3 in the top ten (so which holds more merit is another debate that people will always disagree on).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, the Big 10 and Big 12 both have as many teams in BCS bowl games as the SEC, &amp; they each have 2 more in January 1st Bowls while the SEC has 3 (not really more impressive than the Big 10 &amp; Big 12 when you realize that the SEC has ties to 3 of the 4 non-BCS bowl games on January 1st)</p>
<p>Also, according to the BCS rankings (the only one that really matters right now); the SEC has 5 ranked teams with 2 ranked in the top ten&#8230;&#8230;however, the Big 12 has four ranked teams with 3 in the top ten (so which holds more merit is another debate that people will always disagree on).</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
		<link>http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/12/the-08-heisman-pack-is-forming.html#comment-10187</link>
		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My proof is in 6-8 in the last 14 games. And me not being able to take credit for the Penn State win over Tennessee would be equivalent to me saying you couldn&#039;t take credit for the Florida win because our quarterback and lineman had obviously gotten fat during the layoff.  But I don&#039;t believe that matters, I believe the final result is what matters. So thatâ€™s why we CAN have the conversation about the SEC going 1-2 against the Big Ten the same way everyone has been saying how Ohio State has been over-rated because we got punched in the face by Florida in the title game.

And yes Arkansas had 232 rushing yards to Wisconsin&#039;s -5 (due mainly to Wisconsin&#039;s inability to block Arkansas&#039; defensive ends) but Wisconsin out passed Arkansas 206 to 136 and Arkansas was also hurt by pass interference penalties (a main component in their 123 yards in penalties) because of their own inability to cover the Wisconsin receivers (or bad coaching schemes if you so choose to say).

Also, yes I do like the sound of my own voice, but quit stealing my lines, I don&#039;t feel like doing Pete and Re-Pete (if you haven&#039;t seen Super Troopers thatâ€™s your loss).

And no, my argument is not conflicted, I&#039;m just a realist.  I know the Big Ten is having a down year and unless they come up big in their bowl games they won&#039;t be able to say otherwise.  However, I am not buying into the SEC being the almighty conference.  I think they refuse to travel out of the south to play other teams (for the most part).  When they start coming up to play Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin in November and win.......then I&#039;ll shut my mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My proof is in 6-8 in the last 14 games. And me not being able to take credit for the Penn State win over Tennessee would be equivalent to me saying you couldn&#8217;t take credit for the Florida win because our quarterback and lineman had obviously gotten fat during the layoff.  But I don&#8217;t believe that matters, I believe the final result is what matters. So thatâ€™s why we CAN have the conversation about the SEC going 1-2 against the Big Ten the same way everyone has been saying how Ohio State has been over-rated because we got punched in the face by Florida in the title game.</p>
<p>And yes Arkansas had 232 rushing yards to Wisconsin&#8217;s -5 (due mainly to Wisconsin&#8217;s inability to block Arkansas&#8217; defensive ends) but Wisconsin out passed Arkansas 206 to 136 and Arkansas was also hurt by pass interference penalties (a main component in their 123 yards in penalties) because of their own inability to cover the Wisconsin receivers (or bad coaching schemes if you so choose to say).</p>
<p>Also, yes I do like the sound of my own voice, but quit stealing my lines, I don&#8217;t feel like doing Pete and Re-Pete (if you haven&#8217;t seen Super Troopers thatâ€™s your loss).</p>
<p>And no, my argument is not conflicted, I&#8217;m just a realist.  I know the Big Ten is having a down year and unless they come up big in their bowl games they won&#8217;t be able to say otherwise.  However, I am not buying into the SEC being the almighty conference.  I think they refuse to travel out of the south to play other teams (for the most part).  When they start coming up to play Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Wisconsin in November and win&#8230;&#8230;.then I&#8217;ll shut my mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: Gatorpilot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gatorpilot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Dec 2007 00:57:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After the last 4-5 games, I&#039;d be shocked if that same group wouldn&#039;t be even more ardent in their belief that the SEC is the best in the land.  For crying out loud, look how many SEC teams are playing in BCS bowls and good January bowls.  Look how many are ranked in the Top 25 (6!)

I don&#039;t take credit for Tennessee last year; Penn State prepares well for bowl games and UT does not.  In fact, this year, I predict Wisconsin will beat them.

Arkansas lost despite 230+ yard rushing to Wisconsin&#039;s -5.  That&#039;s coaching.  One name: Houston Nutt.  There&#039;s your reason.

Had Nutt won that game as he clearly should have, it&#039;d be 2-1 instead of 1-2 and we wouldn&#039;t be having the conversation.

As for you, Wil, you too seem to like the sound of your own voice insisting that the SEC &quot;ain&#039;t all that&quot;.  But where&#039;s the proof?  Last year&#039;s bowl record is a weak metric.  This year it&#039;s pretty obvious that there are a lot more quality teams in the SEC than in the Big 10, and you even seem to agree with that.  I guess your argument comes across as a bit conflicted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After the last 4-5 games, I&#8217;d be shocked if that same group wouldn&#8217;t be even more ardent in their belief that the SEC is the best in the land.  For crying out loud, look how many SEC teams are playing in BCS bowls and good January bowls.  Look how many are ranked in the Top 25 (6!)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t take credit for Tennessee last year; Penn State prepares well for bowl games and UT does not.  In fact, this year, I predict Wisconsin will beat them.</p>
<p>Arkansas lost despite 230+ yard rushing to Wisconsin&#8217;s -5.  That&#8217;s coaching.  One name: Houston Nutt.  There&#8217;s your reason.</p>
<p>Had Nutt won that game as he clearly should have, it&#8217;d be 2-1 instead of 1-2 and we wouldn&#8217;t be having the conversation.</p>
<p>As for you, Wil, you too seem to like the sound of your own voice insisting that the SEC &#8220;ain&#8217;t all that&#8221;.  But where&#8217;s the proof?  Last year&#8217;s bowl record is a weak metric.  This year it&#8217;s pretty obvious that there are a lot more quality teams in the SEC than in the Big 10, and you even seem to agree with that.  I guess your argument comes across as a bit conflicted.</p>
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		<title>By: Wil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Dec 2007 21:13:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re article is also over a month old.....there have been a lot of games played since then.....although I would find it hard to beleive that the SEC wouldn&#039;t be in the top 2 with the Pac 10 if they were to update their picks.

And fo the record: Spencer Tillman of CBS Sports should have his sports analyst card revoked after picking the ACC #2 when almost everyone else picked them as last or 2nd to last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re article is also over a month old&#8230;..there have been a lot of games played since then&#8230;..although I would find it hard to beleive that the SEC wouldn&#8217;t be in the top 2 with the Pac 10 if they were to update their picks.</p>
<p>And fo the record: Spencer Tillman of CBS Sports should have his sports analyst card revoked after picking the ACC #2 when almost everyone else picked them as last or 2nd to last.</p>
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