Comments on: Meet The New Guys, Same As The Old Guys http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html You're Stepping into Manhood Right Now Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:05:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Eleven Warriors » Blog Archive » Preview: #1 OSU v. #24 Wisconsin http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5918 Eleven Warriors » Blog Archive » Preview: #1 OSU v. #24 Wisconsin Thu, 01 Nov 2007 16:01:58 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5918 [...] Boeckman” chatter for the Heisman and we’ve even gone so far as to — gasp — favorably compare the current crop of skill players with last year’s [...] [...] Boeckman” chatter for the Heisman and we’ve even gone so far as to — gasp — favorably compare the current crop of skill players with last year’s [...]

]]> By: Mark http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5856 Mark Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:59:48 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5856 All of the above comments seem pretty valid. I'm just loving the fact we can actually discuss this just about every year. Long live Tressel! All of the above comments seem pretty valid. I’m just loving the fact we can actually discuss this just about every year. Long live Tressel!

]]> By: Cobra Kai http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5854 Cobra Kai Wed, 31 Oct 2007 16:12:36 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5854 The way Hartline wasn't touched on that return leads me to believe just about any of the skill players of the past two seasons could have taken that one to the house. The way Hartline wasn’t touched on that return leads me to believe just about any of the skill players of the past two seasons could have taken that one to the house.

]]> By: Travis http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5850 Travis Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:55:54 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5850 At this point I think the '06 offense is better mostly because 4 games remain to be played in '07. I do think the running game is a bit more impressive this season. I think Pittman is a very good back, but I believe much of his success was set up by the passing attack and "threat" of a Troy run. Against the good PSU defense last week there were times when everyone in the North America knew it was a run out of the "i" and Beanie picked up 2 yards. Although not impressive on paper I don't see Pittman or any recent OSU backs picking up those yards (probably a 2 yard loss which is +4 in my mind). Tressel obviously stresses a balanced attack and as a fan it's a beautiful thang. At this point I think the ‘06 offense is better mostly because 4 games remain to be played in ‘07. I do think the running game is a bit more impressive this season. I think Pittman is a very good back, but I believe much of his success was set up by the passing attack and “threat” of a Troy run.

Against the good PSU defense last week there were times when everyone in the North America knew it was a run out of the “i” and Beanie picked up 2 yards. Although not impressive on paper I don’t see Pittman or any recent OSU backs picking up those yards (probably a 2 yard loss which is +4 in my mind).

Tressel obviously stresses a balanced attack and as a fan it’s a beautiful thang.

]]> By: Wil http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5847 Wil Wed, 31 Oct 2007 14:04:04 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5847 I also want to add that when comparing Robo and Ginn you need to add in the return factor for Ginn which makes it a little closer. That being said, you should also add that factor in when comparing Hartline and Gonzo.....because although I do beleive that Hartline can do anything that Gonzo could.....I doubt Gonzo would have (or ever will) return a punt 90 yards for a TD. All that being said....there is no real way to compare these 2 teams, they both had different styles of play. Last years players will always have the arguements "Ginn and Gonzo made Troy better" or "Troy made Ginn and Gonzo better." This years roster seems to have more of a balance between it's players. I also want to add that when comparing Robo and Ginn you need to add in the return factor for Ginn which makes it a little closer. That being said, you should also add that factor in when comparing Hartline and Gonzo…..because although I do beleive that Hartline can do anything that Gonzo could…..I doubt Gonzo would have (or ever will) return a punt 90 yards for a TD.

All that being said….there is no real way to compare these 2 teams, they both had different styles of play. Last years players will always have the arguements “Ginn and Gonzo made Troy better” or “Troy made Ginn and Gonzo better.” This years roster seems to have more of a balance between it’s players.

]]> By: Brian http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5831 Brian Wed, 31 Oct 2007 04:40:21 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5831 I gotta agree. The names of the first 9 victims last year sound nice, but if you dig a little deeper, they kind of sucked. I gotta agree. The names of the first 9 victims last year sound nice, but if you dig a little deeper, they kind of sucked.

]]> By: HAROLD http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5815 HAROLD Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:43:59 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5815 I don't necessarily agree with the schedule strength idea - Texas (w/o VY) was overrated last year (10-3), PSU was not great (9-4), Iowa was terrible (6-7), and MSU is well...MSU (4-8). I am also not ready to say 2007 is better than 2006. I will save that decision for January. The 2007 Offense is certainly in the ballpark though - the stats don't lie. I think the biggest difference in the two offenses that I have noticed is the line play. Troy didn't really run that much last year - except to find space to throw down field and he had to do that because we didn't pass block all that well in my opinion. We give Boeckman pretty good protection. All I know is it sure is nice to be deciding which year's #1 team is better - things could certainly be worse. We could be Iowa fans. (Its a joke OPS, just a joke.) I don’t necessarily agree with the schedule strength idea - Texas (w/o VY) was overrated last year (10-3), PSU was not great (9-4), Iowa was terrible (6-7), and MSU is well…MSU (4-8). I am also not ready to say 2007 is better than 2006. I will save that decision for January. The 2007 Offense is certainly in the ballpark though - the stats don’t lie. I think the biggest difference in the two offenses that I have noticed is the line play. Troy didn’t really run that much last year - except to find space to throw down field and he had to do that because we didn’t pass block all that well in my opinion. We give Boeckman pretty good protection. All I know is it sure is nice to be deciding which year’s #1 team is better - things could certainly be worse. We could be Iowa fans. (Its a joke OPS, just a joke.)

]]> By: Jason http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5813 Jason Tue, 30 Oct 2007 20:02:50 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5813 Good points about the schedule strength, but is that not counterbalanced a little by the fact that Boeckman and Hartline are seeing their first considerable playing time as Buckeyes? Smith at least had quite a few starts under his belt heading into last season. Good points about the schedule strength, but is that not counterbalanced a little by the fact that Boeckman and Hartline are seeing their first considerable playing time as Buckeyes?

Smith at least had quite a few starts under his belt heading into last season.

]]> By: BeardGuy http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5812 BeardGuy Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:02:59 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5812 Unfortunately, if the Bucks continue to roll and win an MNC, what are the odds that many of those guys are coming back? Barton is definitely gone as he's a senior now, but Boone and Rehring might go early. Robo could feasibly go and so could Nicol. I highly doubt Boeckman would leave after a single season of play. Not to mention all the defensive juniors who might go early. Worst case scenario, you're talking about having only Person and Cordle returning on the line, with Boeckman, Wells, Ballard, Hartline, and Small at the skill positions. That's not much, and breaking in 3 new offensive lineman could be painful. Even if Nicol and Robo stay, if the season goes well you've gotta figure that Boone and Rehring will be high draft picks and probably go. They could be great next year, but they could regress with the loss of some key starters. It's too early to tell. Unfortunately, if the Bucks continue to roll and win an MNC, what are the odds that many of those guys are coming back? Barton is definitely gone as he’s a senior now, but Boone and Rehring might go early. Robo could feasibly go and so could Nicol. I highly doubt Boeckman would leave after a single season of play. Not to mention all the defensive juniors who might go early.

Worst case scenario, you’re talking about having only Person and Cordle returning on the line, with Boeckman, Wells, Ballard, Hartline, and Small at the skill positions. That’s not much, and breaking in 3 new offensive lineman could be painful. Even if Nicol and Robo stay, if the season goes well you’ve gotta figure that Boone and Rehring will be high draft picks and probably go.

They could be great next year, but they could regress with the loss of some key starters. It’s too early to tell.

]]> By: SuckAtSports http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5811 SuckAtSports Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:01:25 +0000 http://www.elevenwarriors.com/2007/10/meet-the-new-guys-same-as-the-old-guys.html#comment-5811 Sportsmonkey, you beat me to it. Not to take anything away from this group, but we have to remember who we're playing. This competition is the reverse of the one last year. Still, pretty exciting. Sportsmonkey, you beat me to it. Not to take anything away from this group, but we have to remember who we’re playing. This competition is the reverse of the one last year.

Still, pretty exciting.

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